Police Corruption Thread.

[Ixian]

The military following orders stuff really has no precident.
Very few if any service members will agree to shooting Americans.

As for tje dog stuff, the dog is a police officer. That is why you sre treated worse.

Better make sure what ever the reason they went after you in the first place to get the dog to go after you is 100 percent wrong.

Though iirc the troopers in that one state where the local PD handler let the dog go after the troopers and deputies told him nit to was nit liked by the ones around him as they constantly got onto him.

Like I said, I'll take my chances in court. My life and my families life are worth more than a dog's, and the dog will be dead regardless.

 

[Abhorsen]

If an animal hurts a human for ANY reason and it’s not justified self defense OR a valid LEGAL order the animal should be put down.

It shouldn't matter if the order is legal. A dog can't know legality. The Cop should be put down if he's just siccing dogs on innocent people at random, and the cop should bear any punishment for any illegal attacks generally.

You are effectively blaming the gun for the murder. Don't do that, it's dumb. A gun should fire if the trigger is pulled, not somehow know if this pull of the trigger is self defense vs murder. A dog should sic when ordered to sic by it's handler, not do it arbitrarily.

To the bolded: I disagree. very strongly in fact.

Eh, I kinda disagree. The issue is that cops absolutely will do horrific things if asked. The military is more resistant to these things, or at least the US military is.

 

[Zachowon]

It shouldn't matter if the order is legal. A dog can't know legality. The Cop should be put down if he's just siccing dogs on innocent people at random, and the cop should bear any punishment for any illegal attacks generally.

You are effectively blaming the gun for the murder. Don't do that, it's dumb. A gun should fire if the trigger is pulled, not somehow know if this pull of the trigger is self defense vs murder. A dog should sic when ordered to sic by it's handler, not do it arbitrarily.


Eh, I kinda disagree. The issue is that cops absolutely will do horrific things if asked. The military is more resistant to these things, or at least the US military is.

The military actually has in its VERY OWN justice system, the UCMJ, we are allowed to disobey illegal, immoral, and unjust orders.
Firing on US citizens would be just that.

 

[Abhorsen]

The military actually has in its VERY OWN justice system, the UCMJ, we are allowed to disobey illegal, immoral, and unjust orders.
Firing on US citizens would be just that.

I mean, if they want US soldiers to fire on civilians, the UCMJ would also have been corrupted at this point, and would imprison (or attempt to imprison) those who disobeyed.

 

[King Arts]

It shouldn't matter if the order is legal. A dog can't know legality. The Cop should be put down if he's just siccing dogs on innocent people at random, and the cop should bear any punishment for any illegal attacks generally.

You are effectively blaming the gun for the murder. Don't do that, it's dumb. A gun should fire if the trigger is pulled, not somehow know if this pull of the trigger is self defense vs murder. A dog should sic when ordered to sic by it's handler, not do it arbitrarily.


Eh, I kinda disagree. The issue is that cops absolutely will do horrific things if asked. The military is more resistant to these things, or at least the US military is.

Well part of the punishment would be forcing the officer who is at fault to put down his dog. After all it’s just a tool but it holds sentimental value so there is that.

 

[Abhorsen]

Well part of the punishment would be forcing the officer who is at fault to put down his dog. After all it’s just a tool but it holds sentimental value so there is that.

No. First, that goes under cruel and unusual punishment. Second, again, the dog did nothing wrong. It operated according to how it's designed.

Seriously, you are blaming the gun for the murder. Stop buying into leftist shit and instead go full personal responsibility.

 

[King Arts]

No. First, that goes under cruel and unusual punishment. Second, again, the dog did nothing wrong. It operated according to how it's designed.

Seriously, you are blaming the gun for the murder. Stop buying into leftist shit and instead go full personal responsibility.

Didn’t you say the cop should be put down? Now you are saying force the cop to put down an animal is cruel and unusual?

 

[Abhorsen]

Didn’t you say the cop should be put down? Now you are saying force the cop to put down an animal is cruel and unusual?

Nothing wrong with execution, just do it as painlessly as possible. But deciding to kill an animal just to do emotional damage is cruel.

Cruelty is needless suffering. There's no need for the animal to die: it did nothing wrong. A cop who's so fucked in the head they sic animals on obvious innocents (I'm not talking about a mistake here), is bad enough to warrant the death penalty. I generally favor the death penalty, with the one big asterisk: you gotta be sure beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, if they want US soldiers to fire on civilians, the UCMJ would also have been corrupted at this point, and would imprison (or attempt to imprison) those who disobeyed.

Oh yeah for sure, but there is enough to it that it would nit be possible.
Youtuber Mandatoryfunday did a short on it

 

[King Arts]

Nothing wrong with execution, just do it as painlessly as possible. But deciding to kill an animal just to do emotional damage is cruel.

Cruelty is needless suffering. There's no need for the animal to die: it did nothing wrong. A cop who's so fucked in the head they sic animals on obvious innocents (I'm not talking about a mistake here), is bad enough to warrant the death penalty. I generally favor the death penalty, with the one big asterisk: you gotta be sure beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Before I respond I need to know is the support for the death penalty because it’s a cop abusing his authority or should also random people who sic a dog on another person get the death sentence?

 

[DarthOne]

If a police dog attacks me or a family member for no reason, I'm killing it and taking my chances in court.

Then you'll be dead. Police view their dogs as fellow officers. Or at least that's the excuse they use to kill people who target dogs.

 

[King Arts]

Then you'll be dead. Police view their dogs as fellow officers. Or at least that's the excuse they use to kill people who target dogs.

Thats part of the reason I don’t view dogs as mere tools. They are living things, lesser than humans but still living and they can be good and bad.

 

[Zachowon]

They are officers of the law. In the sense they have badges

 

[Ixian]

Then you'll be dead. Police view their dogs as fellow officers. Or at least that's the excuse they use to kill people who target dogs.

Well all I can do is defend myself and hope I take some of my attackers with me then.

I have zero qualms about utilizing my civil rights, personally I'd like to resolve it in court, but if I'm not going to be given the opportunity I see no reason not use the rights granted to me by the Constitution.

 

[Abhorsen]

Before I respond I need to know is the support for the death penalty because it’s a cop abusing his authority or should also random people who sic a dog on another person get the death sentence?

If it's an intentional murder (or even attempted murder), death. If it's a cop intentionally abusing authority, death. Just an assualt by a citizen? Not death.

In all of those cases, the dog is irrelevant. If you replace dog with a gun or knife, the same amount of punishment is applied (though in fairness, shooting someone and not intending to kill them may not be very possible).

The only time a dog might need to be put down is if the dog is so crazy that it attacks humans without orders. Then the dog itself isn't safe. Same reason a gun that fires randomly without the trigger being pulled might need to be destroyed for safety reasons.

 

[King Arts]

If it's an intentional murder (or even attempted murder), death. If it's a cop intentionally abusing authority, death. Just an assualt by a citizen? Not death.

In all of those cases, the dog is irrelevant. If you replace dog with a gun or knife, the same amount of punishment is applied (though in fairness, shooting someone and not intending to kill them may not be very possible).

The only time a dog might need to be put down is if the dog is so crazy that it attacks humans without orders. Then the dog itself isn't safe. Same reason a gun that fires randomly without the trigger being pulled might need to be destroyed for safety reasons.

Well if the person was tied down and the shooter had no way to miss but instead of going for the head or chest went for their kneecaps or something to hurt them that could be argued that is not attempted murder.

Anyway with dogs they are loyal so if you are going to put down the person who has their loyalty you might as well put them down also.

And even if it’s a tool if the victim of a crime want the criminals tool destroyed whether gun knife dog etc I don’t see any reason to not humor it.

 

[Cherico]

Let's not forget about the FBI spying on civil rights activists, professional sports athletes, entertainers, musicians, etc.,

The FBI is beyond reform at this point beyond saving the best we can do is just scrap the entire thing fire them all and start anew with some thing far less ambitious.

 

[Captain X]

As for tje dog stuff, the dog is a police officer. That is why you sre treated worse.

Which is pretty bullshit, especially with how police will literally kill puppies and claim that they felt "threatened" by them.

Police dogs are weapons, not officers, and they should get treated as such.

 

[Captain X]

No. First, that goes under cruel and unusual punishment. Second, again, the dog did nothing wrong. It operated according to how it's designed.

Seriously, you are blaming the gun for the murder. Stop buying into leftist shit and instead go full personal responsibility.

This has to be one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen. Stop treating the police dog like it's special. What happens to a normal person's dog if it attacks someone?

 

[Zachowon]

Which is pretty bullshit, especially with how police will literally kill puppies and claim that they felt "threatened" by them.

Police dogs are weapons, not officers, and they should get treated as such.

They are officers, as not all are weapons, or ones are both a tool and an officer

This has to be one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen. Stop treating the police dog like it's special. What happens to a normal person's dog if it attacks someone?

Depends on situation.