Police Corruption Thread.

[Captain X]

Man is convicted of crime he didn't commit, is later exonerated, and the state court orders his release, but the state's AG is fighting to keep him in prison. Missouri's AG is literally fighting to keep an innocent man in prison, even though the court has found the man to be innocent -not just "not guilty", but innocent, because he is fixated on maintaining convictions.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

AG should serve as much time as this guy does after the innocent declaration.

 

[DarthOne]

AG should serve as much time as this guy does after the innocent declaration.

As if they'll ever let that happen

 

[Captain X]

Why are West Virginia's cops so corrupt? Even in small towns? Three police officers showed up to beat the hell out of a disabled veteran over a car that had allegedly been parked in the same place for three days, and the junk in his yard. The Civil Rights Lawyer went to the scene, never made any kind of announcement about it or anything beforehand, and yet the police and their spouses were spying on his interactions with witnesses. No body cams, naturally. Lied on the police report, naturally.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

This cop gets the dumbass of the year award. Somehow a quadriplegic "kicked in a door" .

 

[Ixian]

This cop gets the dumbass of the year award. Somehow a quadriplegic "kicked in a door" .

I am not an ACAB or Defund the Police guy, obviously, we need law enforcement.

BUT

We clearly have an issue in the United States with policing. Many of them don't know or care about the law (specifical the Constitution and Bill of Rights), most are spectacularly undertrained for the gear and authority they are given, and some of them are just as bad as any inner-city gang.

It is ridiculous that it takes three years for someone to be a certified hairdresser, but someone else can be a state trooper after six months of academy training, or a local city cop after three months of training. These guys are given access to weapons and equipment that it took me three times as long to qualify for in the military.

How do we fix this? I'm not entirely sure. Part of me thinks standardizing training and hiring requirements across the country could help, but then, who enforces that? The federal government? I wouldn't trust the feds further than I could throw them.

 

[DarthOne]

I am not an ACAB or Defund the Police guy, obviously, we need law enforcement.

BUT

We clearly have an issue in the United States with policing. Many of them don't know or care about the law (specifical the Constitution and Bill of Rights), most are spectacularly undertrained for the gear and authority they are given, and some of them are just as bad as any inner-city gang.

It is ridiculous that it takes three years for someone to be a certified hairdresser, but someone else can be a state trooper after six months of academy training, or a local city cop after three months of training. These guys are given access to weapons and equipment that it took me three times as long to qualify for in the military.

How do we fix this? I'm not entirely sure. Part of me thinks standardizing training and hiring requirements across the country could help, but then, who enforces that? The federal government? I wouldn't trust the feds further than I could throw them.

It certain doesn’t help that people aren’t really taught what the laws are or that the legal system has been made into a Byzantine maze by lawyers.

 

[King Arts]

It certain doesn’t help that people aren’t really taught what the laws are or that the legal system has been made into a Byzantine maze by lawyers.

Again part of the reason is because of federalism and state rights. When there are 50 separate law codes things can’t be simple in a country.

 

[Captain X]

Some actual accountability would be nice.

 

[Typhonis]

If you break the law Qualified Immunity should be inapplicable. We also need a separate group to investigate the police. Because "We investigated ourselves and found everything to be fine" is not cutting it.

 

[Abhorsen]

It is ridiculous that it takes three years for someone to be a certified hairdresser, but someone else can be a state trooper after six months of academy training, or a local city cop after three months of training. These guys are given access to weapons and equipment that it took me three times as long to qualify for in the military.

The problem here is the 3 years certification with the hairdressing, but I see your point.

The solution is dumping qualified immunity for something slightly reasonable. Something like a reasonable belief standard.

 

[Morphic Tide]

The solution is dumping qualified immunity for something slightly reasonable. Something like a reasonable belief standard.

Just move it from jurisprudence to legislation using the not-completely-pants-on-head forms. The tissue isn't having SOME liability shield for law enforcement, it's judges being free to alter it to counter any suit they please.

 

[Abhorsen]

Just move it from jurisprudence to legislation using the not-completely-pants-on-head forms. The tissue isn't having SOME liability shield for law enforcement, it's judges being free to alter it to counter any suit they please.

The hilarious thing is that qualified immunity is 100% a judicial invention. In reality, there should be no immunity, but it got magically added.

 

[Doomsought]

If you break the law Qualified Immunity should be inapplicable. We also need a separate group to investigate the police. Because "We investigated ourselves and found everything to be fine" is not cutting it.

There also needs to be more legislation in place protecting self defense against agents of the state. This would put a huge damper on lot of what corrupt police do:

One of the big issues we current have is that the definition lawful orders are not defined in statute, and are allowed to be interpreted however broadly the court likes. I think they need to be narrowed significantly, as such:

Lawful Orders

1. An order issued by an agent of the state or federal government shall be considered a lawful order if and only if
   1. The agent is empowered to issue that by statute or constitutional text
   2. The order is not contradicted by other statutes or constitutional law
   3. the order is issued through due process of law
   4. the agent issuing the order is of sound mind
2. The people have the right to resist the enforcement of orders which are not lawful orders, and the right to escalate in that resistance if the orders are unconstitutional.

 

[mrttao]

I am not an ACAB or Defund the Police guy, obviously, we need law enforcement.

BUT

We clearly have an issue in the United States with policing. Many of them don't know or care about the law (specifical the Constitution and Bill of Rights), most are spectacularly undertrained for the gear and authority they are given, and some of them are just as bad as any inner-city gang.

It is ridiculous that it takes three years for someone to be a certified hairdresser, but someone else can be a state trooper after six months of academy training, or a local city cop after three months of training. These guys are given access to weapons and equipment that it took me three times as long to qualify for in the military.

How do we fix this? I'm not entirely sure. Part of me thinks standardizing training and hiring requirements across the country could help, but then, who enforces that? The federal government? I wouldn't trust the feds further than I could throw them.

Many police departments in the USA do an IQ test and refuse to hire anyone over 120 IQ.
because they might actually know the law and refuse to follow illegal orders.
The problems in the police are by design.

 

[Morphic Tide]

The hilarious thing is that qualified immunity is 100% a judicial invention.

That's what's being referred to by "jurisprudence".

In reality, there should be no immunity, but it got magically added.

...No, it very much needed to happen because actual lawyers have to specialize in subsets of civil cases and the bar for viability would otherwise make the cost of defense utterly ruinous. Without some form of qualified immunity, the individual members of the departments would routinely be buried in legal expenses. Which your lolbertisms of trying to replace all law with suing for damages and breech of contract (which you have still yet to answer the need for prevention in, that doesn't work on an opt-in basis) make even worse because absolutely everything becomes such cases.

 

[Zachowon]

Many police departments in the USA do an IQ test and refuse to hire anyone over 120 IQ.
because they might actually know the law and refuse to follow illegal orders.
The problems in the police are by design.

Where is this because every department I know people who work there never had to do a IQ test, add in, there is no true way to do an IQ test.

 

[Doomsought]

Where is this because every department I know people who work there never had to do a IQ test, add in, there is no true way to do an IQ test.

The IQ test is the most scientifically replicated thing in all of psychology. There are multiple correct ways to do an IQ test, depending on circumstances. The culture invariant test is the most rigorous, but is also the most time consuming to perform.

 

[Zachowon]

The IQ test is the most scientifically replicated thing in all of psychology. There are multiple correct ways to do an IQ test, depending on circumstances. The culture invariant test is the most rigorous, but is also the most time consuming to perform.

Again I have never heard of one being taken by any LEO I know

 

[mrttao]

Where is this because every department I know people who work there never had to do a IQ test, add in, there is no true way to do an IQ test.

IIRC there were multiple examples.

Quick search shows the following:

Connecticut. 2000. Robert Jordan scored 33 on their mandatory intellgience test which means he has an IQ of 125.
They only hire people who score between 20 and 27 on their test.
a score of 21 on their test equals 104 IQ.

Smart enough to follow orders, dumb enough to not question orders.
In court their defense is that high IQ people end up quitting which wastes the money spent training them.

He sued them for discrimination.
Courts ruled against him and said it is perfectly legal to refuse to hire people based on intellect.

Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops

abcnews.go.com

PD Not Keen to Hire Owners of of High IQs, So Bright Guy Sues

A city that doesn't want police officers with "too high an IQ" has been sued by an applicant who was refused a job because of his high score on an intelligence test.

www.latimes.com