'Plan B' Military Coup To Remove Trump, Coordinated By Mattis and Other's, Said to Exist By Former Senator and Marine Vet Richard H. Black

Zachowon said:
All of the agencies that have gone against truump are DoJ or their own branch of the GOV. CIA is not DoD
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To be fair the CIA isn't a criminal enterprise because it went against Trump...It's a criminal enterprise because since it's inception it's conducted itself with the expressed purpose of justifying itself.

They're no better than the Pinkertons were..and unlike the Pinkertons, they're virtually unaccountable.

Zachowon said:
You are right. That was my bad. It isn't breaking laws just having things that allow for it to be legal if I follow certain procedures

I mainly defend the NSA and the DoD IC.
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The NSA would probably be less of a threat to the average US citizen if the NSA was not being constantly undermined by the FBI and the ATF.


As for the DOD, you guys could afford to employ less worthless people for the sake of perpetuating their employment and using Defense Sec companies to do it...Other than that...the issue with the Pentagon lies in its bureaucrats and leaders and not its field agents...

....Usually any way.

Basically make the DOD the War Department again and make it not a gigantic welfare line and I'm pretty sure 90% of the seditious nonsense that brought us to where the IC collaborated with China to overthrow a US President..wouldn't exist.

You can reform the ic but that also might require some amputations.

And I do think there needs to be a massive overhall of the US IC and a lot of treason trials, but I don't think it's beyond saving.

But to say there hasn't been a China backed coup against the President, facilitated by the US IC through their master's in the DNC remains..naive.
 
The Immortal Watch Dog said:
To be fair the CIA isn't a criminal enterprise because it went against Trump...It's a criminal enterprise because since it's inception it's conducted itself with the expressed purpose of justifying itself.

They're no better than the Pinkertons were..and unlike the Pinkertons, they're virtually unaccountable.



The NSA would probably be less of a threat to the average US citizen if the NSA was not being constantly undermined by the FBI and the ATF.


As for the DOD, you guys could afford to employ less worthless people for the sake of perpetuating their employment and using Defense Sec companies to do it...Other than that...the issue with the Pentagon lies in its bureaucrats and leaders and not its field agents...

....Usually any way.

Basically make the DOD the War Department again and make it not a gigantic welfare line and I'm pretty sure 90% of the seditious nonsense that brought us to where the IC collaborated with China to overthrow a US President..wouldn't exist.

You can reform the ic but that also might require some amputations.

And I do think there needs to be a massive overhall of the US IC and a lot of treason trials, but I don't think it's beyond saving.

But to say there hasn't been a China backed coup against the President, facilitated by the US IC through their master's in the DNC remains..naive.
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All the agencies the DNC runs is not DoD, so there is that.
 
Granted, I'm sure there are a lot of Wumaos at the Pentagon and a lot of Democrats and Rinos....But that's incidental and a symptom of the problem and not the problem itself.

I'd be more concerned about addressing the problem..if you can do that, when the partisan nonsense will clear up on its own. Sort of like how one ceases to have a fever when an immense abscess is drained and antibiotics are given.

And how treating the fever by itself, as if it were the only problem is how you end up with blood poisoning. Gotta debride man...even if that means confronting something unsavory.
 
The Immortal Watch Dog said:
Granted, I'm sure there are a lot of Wumaos at the Pentagon and a lot of Democrats and Rinos....But that's incidental and a symptom of the problem and not the problem itself.

I'd be more concerned about addressing the problem..if you can do that, when the partisan nonsense will clear up on its own. Sort of like how one ceases to have a fever when an immense abscess is drained and antibiotics are given.

And how treating the fever by itself, as if it were the only problem is how you end up with blood poisoning. Gotta debride man...even if that means confronting something unsavory.
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Time. it takes time.
 
I want to see the FBI get the death penalty. All agencies of the Federal Government should be very limited in size, with an IG from a completely seperate agency that has absolute power over their records and internal communications and the ability to suspend/fire anyone that plays dirty. It's not just what they did to Trump that so sticks in the craw. These miserable scum have been targeting people for political repression since the 1870's. The 13 colonies didn't even want a standing army because they wished to avoid the inevitable butthead in love with his own power trying to push them around with armed troops. Well, the FBI is bigger and better armed than the Contenental Army and they have long crossed the line. I want to see the FBI Seal blown up like the swastika on the Brandenburg Gate.
 
paulobrito said:
And you think these organizations surrender power pacifically?
Considering what they do and how corrupt they are, the probability is below zero, I'm afraid.
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No and that is why I think the President should create a completely separate agency made up of a very small minority of highly trained combat veterans and militia bros who function as an American Krypteia

They should be given extra judicial authority conduct themselves as the Spartan Keytpeia did and then be turned loose on Federal Law enforcement agencies prosecutors and Judges. As a means of deterrent based power regulation.

With the ability to act in the interest of the common man and only the common man and would be answerable solely to the US constitution. And I dunno a panel of 50 civilians chosen from rural areas and or small business owners.
 
The US Army has thier Own IG and can oversee the IG of NSA and other DoD agencies if needed same with each branch to allow for proper oversight.

No idea about CIA and FBI
 
Zachowon said:
The US Army has thier Own IG and can oversee the IG of NSA and other DoD agencies if needed same with each branch to allow for proper oversight.

No idea about CIA and FBI
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I'm pretty sure almost all of the federal branches/departments and independent federal agencies ranging from the CIA to the Department of Education or Housing have their own Inspector General department. There's about seventy or so different ones now attached to provide oversight to a myriad group of federal agencies.
 
paulobrito said:
And you think these organizations surrender power pacifically?
Considering what they do and how corrupt they are, the probability is below zero, I'm afraid.
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I think they will continue to conspire, throw tantrums and blackmail people just like they do right now, and will until the country falls unless we stop paying them and rid ourselves of the stupid laws that combined the judiciary with a secret police agency.

The true danger of the FBI is in their lack of accountability. I was watching a show on the Mafia, and on it FBI agents gleefully admitted that back in 1965 they coerced known Mafia hitmen in NYC that they had a leash on to travel down south to go after people that they thought might be in the KKK clan to get information. The mob guy kidnapped and severely beat some people and got them their information.

Of course there's no telling how many innocents these Italian gangsters killed and threw into the swamp, and so long as they kept the FBI happy no one cared. So move that methodology ahead in time and ask yourself how many murderers kidnappers and rapist the FBI casually employs and who do they employ them against? How hard would it be for them to quietly arrange a political assassination or just threaten someone's livelyhood for speaking out or even just living in the wrong place?

Randy Weaver comes to mind. They wanted him to infiltrate a group that had moved into Spirit Lake area and selected his name from a county database. Then they sent a criminal to 'befriend' him. This guy offered him a thousand dollars to cut down a shotgun for a new choke and deceived him with a fake tape measure. Then the Federal Prosecutor offered him a deal. He told them to go fuck themselves. They created a disaster, murdered women and children, and none were prosecuted.

This is the same tactics that are used by the Chinese police, a clean handed group running deniable bully boys to do the dirty work. Perhaps this is why MS-13 is permitted to grow?
 
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The Immortal Watch Dog said:
With the ability to act in the interest of the common man and only the common man and would be answerable solely to the US constitution. And I dunno a panel of 50 civilians chosen from rural areas and or small business owners.
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Creating a shadow organization that is above the law and exists specifically to employ violence against the elected government in order to enforce your political ideology is never a good path to stand upon.

Look at it this way: if President Trump could create such an organization, so could President Obama. Is that really a power you're comfortable having the executive unleash, or are you only thinking of it because the power is currently on your side so you're confident your extralegal killers will only ever target those you don't approve of?

Or perhaps this way: you know who your Krypteia would consider it just to kill. But I also know who my Krypteia would consider fair game, and I don't think a shadow Civil War between everyone's ideas of who "needs killin' " would be a good outcome for anyone.
 
ShadowArxxy said:
Creating a shadow organization that is above the law and exists specifically to employ violence against the elected government in order to enforce your political ideology is never a good path to stand upon.

Look at it this way: if President Trump could create such an organization, so could President Obama. Is that really a power you're comfortable having the executive unleash, or are you only thinking of it because the power is currently on your side so you're confident your extralegal killers will only ever target those you don't approve of?

Or perhaps this way: you know who your Krypteia would consider it just to kill. But I also know who my Krypteia would consider fair game, and I don't think a shadow Civil War between everyone's ideas of who "needs killin' " would be a good outcome for anyone.
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Violence to support not his ideology,but USA Constitution.Thit is difference.In other worlds - they could kill somebody who try to take weapon from people,or take their children/for example giving them to lgbt instructors/ , but not somebody who is using his rights tp live as he wish.
 
Well, NPR is playing the game too:

What If?

If a president happened to break a few political norms and decide, in the face of defeat, to fight instead of concede, what would actually happen? Today we choose our own adventure.
www.wnycstudios.org www.wnycstudios.org

Oh goodie..it seems that NPR is claiming THEY organized the Podesta wargame.
 
So I think it's time to revive this thread. Given current circunstances the idea of a coup attempt and 2nd American Civil War is looking less and less like a shitpost and more like a bad ending to the current situation.

One thing that must be kept in mind is that the US Army has done studies on this sort of thing. I don't remember the precise stats but from the top of my head they estimated something like 40% defection from the military and federal aparatus as a best case scenario. Best case! Local cops of course are even less reliable, they are unlikely to side with the fed over their family and friends.

Add to that the size of the armed population, and even a fraction of that pop going full revolt puts the PLA to shame in size.

There is no scenario where a propper, open civil war results in anything other than complete collapse.

And before any funnynman goes "nukes" remember: a lot of those are in military bases where a defecting pilot or batalion could help themselves to a few, a lot of silos are deep in territory that might revolt and the moment the government even consider using them they lose any semblance of face they have left.
 
MelancholicMechanicus said:
So I think it's time to revive this thread. Given current circunstances the idea of a coup attempt and 2nd American Civil War is looking less and less like a shitpost and more like a bad ending to the current situation.

One thing that must be kept in mind is that the US Army has done studies on this sort of thing. I don't remember the precise stats but from the top of my head they estimated something like 40% defection from the military and federal aparatus as a best case scenario. Best case! Local cops of course are even less reliable, they are unlikely to side with the fed over their family and friends.

Add to that the size of the armed population, and even a fraction of that pop going full revolt puts the PLA to shame in size.

There is no scenario where a propper, open civil war results in anything other than complete collapse.

And before any funnynman goes "nukes" remember: a lot of those are in military bases where a defecting pilot or batalion could help themselves to a few, a lot of silos are deep in territory that might revolt and the moment the government even consider using them they lose any semblance of face they have left.
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Well Ships would be the worst case as those would have mutinys on them. It would be really bad and the issue is getting weapons from the armories of the units as they are often locked. It would depend on if the one who is in charge is willing to open it for the open revolt or not.

In all likelihood it would be a situation that will depend greatly on what makes them split
 
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