Star Trek Picard takes on Trump and Brexit

ShieldWife

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So Patrick Stewart has come out and said that the USA and Great Britain are both “fucked” because of Trump and Brexit respectively and that he is doing the new show to be an anti-Trump and anti-Brexit political statement. Just like just about every damn fantasy or sci-fi show or movie they put out these days, it has a far left agenda. These show business people are all such conformists, all spouting the same message all thinking that they are such brave heroes for repeating the same mindless propaganda that all of their friends are.

At first I was enthusiastic about Picard, but as I’ve learned more about the show that enthusiasm has waned, and what Stewart has recently said killed my enthusiasm completely. I hope that they go broke for getting woke, I only wish that they could have spared soiling one of the my favorite childhood shows doing it.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Patrick Stewart is a good actor; but that's all he is, all he has ever been. An actor; an entertainer. People need to learn to let go of this reverence our culture seems to have built up for our entertainers; as if they are somehow better than the rest of us.



Who’d have known a movie like this would be so “relevant” decades from now?
 

prinCZess

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I'd note in regards to this that a very real phenomenon...Or, at least, as I think so...is marketing and news-making this way in order to get controversy-attention and then drive-up ratings for the show, regardless of overarching message. Trump and Brexit both being massively controversial items, rhetoric over them and how the [x] you're making is a grand gesture of resistance is...kind've unsurprising? I mean, it's cynical, don't get me wrong. But it's essentially the same strategy that news agencies and the like have seen to great effect (and, arguably, helped to promote both items by providing free coverage that was 'mocking' or negative).

Essentially, I have to half-wonder if this isn't a case of 'free publicity is good publicity'? Folks who already like Trek might easily be willing to give it a shot regardless of messaging (actors and media being not exactly in-step with the more right-wing sectors of society is nothing new whatsoever), while these rhetorical flourishes and 'look how hip I am with the resistance against these bad things' presentation might attract folks who otherwise might not 'be there'.

Of course, I base this somewhat vague sentiment mostly off of Captain Marvel where the political/cultural opinions of Larson were made a to-do out of and used as something of an advertising gimmick and the movie was...generic? Like...Until a movie or series comes out, I have a hard time taking any of the stuff said about it--even by people involved--seriously because they're obviously and justifiably trying to sell/market it, and selling anti-Trump and anti-Brexit is a market niche the same way selling anti-Bush or anti-Iraq War was (or even as selling anti-Obama stuff sorta was with...the Indian dude who got in trouble for tax evasion, for instance? I forget his name. But he operated off the same premise--albeit not one as connected with broader Hollywood movie production).
 

Lanmandragon

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I'd note in regards to this that a very real phenomenon...Or, at least, as I think so...is marketing and news-making this way in order to get controversy-attention and then drive-up ratings for the show, regardless of overarching message. Trump and Brexit both being massively controversial items, rhetoric over them and how the [x] you're making is a grand gesture of resistance is...kind've unsurprising? I mean, it's cynical, don't get me wrong. But it's essentially the same strategy that news agencies and the like have seen to great effect (and, arguably, helped to promote both items by providing free coverage that was 'mocking' or negative).

Essentially, I have to half-wonder if this isn't a case of 'free publicity is good publicity'? Folks who already like Trek might easily be willing to give it a shot regardless of messaging (actors and media being not exactly in-step with the more right-wing sectors of society is nothing new whatsoever), while these rhetorical flourishes and 'look how hip I am with the resistance against these bad things' presentation might attract folks who otherwise might not 'be there'.

Of course, I base this somewhat vague sentiment mostly off of Captain Marvel where the political/cultural opinions of Larson were made a to-do out of and used as something of an advertising gimmick and the movie was...generic? Like...Until a movie or series comes out, I have a hard time taking any of the stuff said about it--even by people involved--seriously because they're obviously and justifiably trying to sell/market it, and selling anti-Trump and anti-Brexit is a market niche the same way selling anti-Bush or anti-Iraq War was (or even as selling anti-Obama stuff sorta was with...the Indian dude who got in trouble for tax evasion, for instance? I forget his name. But he operated off the same premise--albeit not one as connected with broader Hollywood movie production).
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Thing is with Star Trek is that was always of a liberal bent.

At the same time it was never overtly preachy in a way that turned off right of center people.

And even when it did promote one left or liberal cause or another-sci fi surface level plots covered it over.

I suspect pretty strongly, they are abandoning that here.

Also Trump and Brexit are products of a 21st century world. A world where national divisions, class divisions, unsolved issues regarding economics, political structures and societies still are.

In the late 24th century-in an interstellar setting like Star Trek, the phenomena of Trump and Brexit wouldn’t exist.

At least not in the Federation-a post scarcity meritocracy based society. With no war, crime or poverty.

I’d say the biggest problem with Star Trek today-meta speaking is that no one really believes in utopia anymore.

TNG, VOY, ENT, and yes even DS9-tell us Paradise can be reached. And human problems overcome.

We live in a time where people are far more cynical and pessimistic.

And honestly? The worst part is Star Trek seems like it will succumb to the zeitgeist. Rather than standing in opposition to it.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
@Lord Invictus
You know, I’d honestly prefer if people sorta learned from Heinlein when it comes to fictional future scifi societies

Human beings are flawed and dangerous, but that stuff can be channeled, they maybe far from perfect but even in a highly competitive world, it doesn’t stop them from being nice

There’s also a difference between always knowing the beed of violence than just being a crazy warmonger
 

Lanmandragon

Well-known member
Thing is with Star Trek is that was always of a liberal bent.

At the same time it was never overtly preachy in a way that turned off right of center people.

And even when it did promote one left or liberal cause or another-sci fi surface level plots covered it over.

I suspect pretty strongly, they are abandoning that here.

Also Trump and Brexit are products of a 21st century world. A world where national divisions, class divisions, unsolved issues regarding economics, political structures and societies still are.

In the late 24th century-in an interstellar setting like Star Trek, the phenomena of Trump and Brexit wouldn’t exist.

At least not in the Federation-a post scarcity meritocracy based society. With no war, crime or poverty.

I’d say the biggest problem with Star Trek today-meta speaking is that no one really believes in utopia anymore.

TNG, VOY, ENT, and yes even DS9-tell us Paradise can be reached. And human problems overcome.

We live in a time where people are far more cynical and pessimistic.

And honestly? The worst part is Star Trek seems like it will succumb to the zeitgeist. Rather than standing in opposition to it.
Someone Trumplike coups Martok and rules the Empire. Which breaks the treaty and become super xenophobes. BREXIT could be former maqui livjng on Earth. Who are pushing for earth to secede due to Cardassian refugees. Who aren't terroists but are accussed of such by the former maquis.
 
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Someone Trumplike coups Martok and rules the Empire. Which breaks the treaty and become super xenophobes. BREXIT could be former maqui livjng on Earth. Who are pushing for earth to secede due to Cardassian refugees. Who aren't terroists but are accussed of such by the former maquis.
I mean? The federation is a very compassionate and welcoming society. There hasn’t been real xenophobia on earth since the 22nd century(at least not as an overt political movement).

And it’s not like “the immigrants took our jobs” or anything. Because with replicators you don’t really have resource scarcity.

I suppose you could have a trump analogue Klingon leader(which by the way would ignore the structure and norms of Klingon society as established in canon but no one cares about that).
 

Lanmandragon

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I mean? The federation is a very compassionate and welcoming society. There hasn’t been real xenophobia on earth since the 22nd century(at least not as an overt political movement).

And it’s not like “the immigrants took our jobs” or anything. Because with replicators you don’t really have resource scarcity.

I suppose you could have a trump analogue Klingon leader(which by the way would ignore the structure and norms of Klingon society as established in canon but no one cares about that).
I already said Trump would be a klkngon. Further O'Brien was really against Cardi's and never a maqui. This shows racism against rhem definitely existed in tye federation. Even if it was likely rare it's entirely believable. For former maquis to be wildly racist against them it might've even been shown. I don't remember you've already got Maxwell not like the Cardi's very much. So you put in a large minority of former maquis agitating convincing others and building a movement. Then you show a few cardassian refugees blowing something up or whatever. Giving the maqui more legitimacy and a serious politicalforce. As various earth natives begin to agree with them.
 

Harlock

I should have expected that really
Patrick Stewart has always been left wing, core Labour party though to his credit it was old school Labour and he turned away from Corbyn. He just never made a big thing of it.
I'd prefer he just did his job but his choice, I'll respond with my money going elsewhere.
 

Spartan303

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When Star Trek Picard was announced and I heard he was behind it, I knew what to expect. Is anyone really surprised by this? People expect Patrick Stewart to be just like his Picard character, but the two are quite different. Seriously, totally saw this coming.
 

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