Star Trek Picard takes on Trump and Brexit

The Original Sixth

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Wait, how does the Left keep people out of making stuff like fanfics, fanart and discussing fiction en masse on forums?

Reddit, looks to have been taken over by SJWs

I sorta presume that things like r/libertarian were taken over because the actual Libertarians weren’t active enough in joining

What, did you think the deplatforming by facebook, Google, and other tech firms is for shuts and giggles.
 

CarlManvers2019

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What, did you think the deplatforming by facebook, Google, and other tech firms is for shuts and giggles.

Eh, I was sorta meaning that part of the reason the Far Left won the war in-terms of ownership online and on business was that their opposition isn’t really so active

Hell, it’d be like them actually ending up being the voice for “The Right” simply because the actual dudes aren’t so prevalent online in giving out their opinions

Whereas Tumblrites are so active and give an illusion of a wider audience willing to buy and stuff

Them deplatformint is just to make sure
 

Husky_Khan

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To be fair... and I didn't notice it until now, he's apparently been pretty anti-Brexit and pro-EU for a while.



Look at him set up all of those strawmen and red herrings (that don't even have anything directly to do with Brexit) and then DEMOLISH THEM! Much wow!!!

All Good Things (snigger) come to an end. Might be time to ship him back to the French farm and live out his days in the peaceful stability of the European Union.
 

Argent

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I'd note in regards to this that a very real phenomenon...Or, at least, as I think so...is marketing and news-making this way in order to get controversy-attention and then drive-up ratings for the show, regardless of overarching message. Trump and Brexit both being massively controversial items, rhetoric over them and how the [x] you're making is a grand gesture of resistance is...kind've unsurprising? I mean, it's cynical, don't get me wrong. But it's essentially the same strategy that news agencies and the like have seen to great effect (and, arguably, helped to promote both items by providing free coverage that was 'mocking' or negative).

Essentially, I have to half-wonder if this isn't a case of 'free publicity is good publicity'? Folks who already like Trek might easily be willing to give it a shot regardless of messaging (actors and media being not exactly in-step with the more right-wing sectors of society is nothing new whatsoever), while these rhetorical flourishes and 'look how hip I am with the resistance against these bad things' presentation might attract folks who otherwise might not 'be there'.

Of course, I base this somewhat vague sentiment mostly off of Captain Marvel where the political/cultural opinions of Larson were made a to-do out of and used as something of an advertising gimmick and the movie was...generic? Like...Until a movie or series comes out, I have a hard time taking any of the stuff said about it--even by people involved--seriously because they're obviously and justifiably trying to sell/market it, and selling anti-Trump and anti-Brexit is a market niche the same way selling anti-Bush or anti-Iraq War was (or even as selling anti-Obama stuff sorta was with...the Indian dude who got in trouble for tax evasion, for instance? I forget his name. But he operated off the same premise--albeit not one as connected with broader Hollywood movie production).

Maybe but I do not have to look to see a rash of shows in Amecia have truned anti-Trump. I am use to seeing general left wing veiws in entertainment but a post 2016 has showen a large uptick in obvious preaching about Trump is evil.

Agent's of Shield has Hydra make Amercia Great lines while plotting. It gets even worse when you look at shows like poltical thrillers like Quantico or Designated Survivor where they are even more obvious. They have the villains steal the election from the totally not Clinton stand in while spouting Trump campaign slogans.

It may be that I missed it in the past but TDS and all the Republicans are evil has grown in leaps and bounds in the last few years.

So I agree that you should wait till the show comes out but given the most recent climate in Hollywood and the fact that CBS already has been adding in Wokness to other shows I have some large doubts.

My biggest worry is still that Picard will be more Discovery which I recently gave a try and dropped then Next Generation or even Deep Space 9.
 
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Terthna

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Maybe but I do not have to look to see a rash of shows in Amecia have truned anti-Trump. I am use to seeing general left wing veiws in entertainment but a post 2016 has showen a large uptick in obvious preaching about Trump is evil.

Agent's of Shield has Hydra make Amercia Great lines while plotting. It gets even worse when you look at shows like poltical thrillers like Quantico or Designated Survivor where they are even more obvious. They have the villains steal the election from the totally not Clinton stand in while spouting Trump campaign slogans.

It may be that I missed it in the past but TDS and all the Republicans are evil has grown in leaps and bounds in the last few years.

So I agree that you should wait till the show comes out but given the most recent climate in Hollywood and the fact that CBS already has been adding in Wokness to other shows I have some large doubts.

My biggest worry is still that Picard will be more Discovery which I recently gave a try and dropped then Next Generation or even Deep Space 9.
There's no point in worrying about the inevitable.
 
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You know what really sucks about Discovery?

That the Federation apparently collapsed around the 33rd century or so.

Despite us receiving hints in previous seasons they had become time lords lite.

Which to me anyway was really cool. Obviously writing stories about say Captain Braxton or Daniels exploits is a lot harder and a lot less “Trekky” but it requires creative thought and innovation and would be amazing if done well.

But no, boring dystopia and federation collapse stories are only what people can think of.
 

CarlManvers2019

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There's no point in worrying about the inevitable.

Hollywood has been left wing for decades and I think it will continue to be Left Wing even if there were more non-Far Left American presidents doing a surprisingly good jobs

Trump economy being surprisingly stable? Well, people won’t see that because change isn’t immediately obvious or they think nothing has changed or even noticed that what good they have is due to the current administrations new or repealed policies

They also hold not just entertainment but academia

You will also have to fear your kids going SJW on their own just to spite you

The only hope is that technology advances enough so that people don’t rely on large companies being the main producers and being so easy to betray their customerbase
 

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Honestly, they can't do any worse than Discovery's so-called attempt to comment on Trump... which basically amounted to slapping a paper-thin strawman to Lorca, which completely failed when they put him up against a person who ate other sapient beings and was a massive asshole.
 

Husky_Khan

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Honestly, they can't do any worse than Discovery's so-called attempt to comment on Trump... which basically amounted to slapping a paper-thin strawman to Lorca, which completely failed when they put him up against a person who ate other sapient beings and was a massive asshole.

It is pretty entertaining that there is YouTube channel that has a hundred plus videos that just pokes fun at CBS Star Trek, both with Discovery and the shorts, this was their most popular video so far.

 

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For the love of God, can someone please tell Paramount/CBS to STOP hiring Brent Spiner to play an ageless android thirty years after her first played him? It was noticeable in freaking Nemesis, let's all stop pretending. Hire a new actor. Or maybe after you killed him the first time, just let it go.
 
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You know I think John De Lancie stated he didn’t want to play Q anymore for the same reason. An ageless immortal being. Having grey hair and being obviously older takes viewers out of their immersion and hurts the integrity of the character in the eyes of the viewers.
 

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You know I think John De Lancie stated he didn’t want to play Q anymore for the same reason. An ageless immortal being. Having grey hair and being obviously older takes viewers out of their immersion and hurts the integrity of the character in the eyes of the viewers.
At least with Q there's an easy way around it - have someone call it out, and Q just say something along the lines of "I was feeling a bit old-fashioned today". After all, with as powerful as Q are, using a different appearance is trivial.
 
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Sure but it’s a paper thin IU rationale.

With Data though-there is no reason for him to look any older. Except of course being Brent Spiner is thirty years older.

Speaking of Q, is he going to make an appearance? Even briefly?
 

The Original Sixth

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Sure but it’s a paper thin IU rationale.

With Data though-there is no reason for him to look any older. Except of course being Brent Spiner is thirty years older.

Speaking of Q, is he going to make an appearance? Even briefly?

Actually, Q can get away with it.

The reason is that the Q plays both the role of trickster and wise king in the series. Traditionally, strong authority is placed upon men who look older. So Q looking older, even like a withered old man, is perfectly acceptable. Since Q does not have a fixed form, it does not break suspension of disbelief. And with such a strong actor, it is altogether preferable for the viewer to have the same aging actor.

The problem for Data is that an immutable fact of his character was established as him being an ageless robot. He cannot simply alter his appearance like Q can. Worse, the very core aspect of his character is the contrast of his machine nature against that of his desire for humanity. Seeing him thus age so contradicts the very core of the character. The whole reason that they avoided giving Data emotions through the TV show is that doing so would have drawn the very core conflict within the character to a close. His story in the series would be over and he was too popular for that.
 
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Well Data did begin to have emotions and dreams and so on. Becoming ever more sapient was the essence of the character. But yeah he didn’t age. Or die.

As for Q-maybe use some special effects to have him turn back into his original 1993 self. Just to show the audience-“yes we know De Lancie is old, but IU he’s just doing this to relate with the crew” and to show he can.

Speaking of TNG characters-who else is going to be in it?

I’ve heard Gates McFadden isn’t interested-which given the long simmering romantic tension between her and Picard in TNG makes no sense and is rather sad.
 

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