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Nord Stream 1 and 2 Attacked

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Look at what they've done in Ukraine and tell me that isn't the same mentality that would fuck up their own pipelines for an opportunity to fuck with NATO.
It would be very incompetent of them regardless. In this case they fuck with themselves more than with NATO.
 

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Not in several places at the same time, with seismic readings indicating 100+ kg of explosives.
There is no proof of explosives. There are seismograph events, but those wouldn't be able to tell the difference between deliberate sabotage and a pipeline rupture. A whole lot of people are running their mouths with no proof right now.
 

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There is no proof of explosives. There are seismograph events, but those wouldn't be able to tell the difference between deliberate sabotage and a pipeline rupture. A whole lot of people are running their mouths with no proof right now.
It can be calculated pretty accurately what exact reading (a very minimal one, if any) should the seismograph detect if there was a pipeline rupture at given location and pressure. If it's completely different from that...
 

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tier one: Brandon said he would do it and he did it.
I believe it.
tier two: Russia did it because they can blame Brandon and it causes chaos and dead Germans freezing in winter. always a plus
not completely unreasonable.
tier three: some third party is doing it for great chaos
unlikely but many low chances is not unreasonable.
tier four: Poland did it to fuck Germany and Russia
I doubt it but I want it to be true that they finally got some vengeance on their neighbors.
 

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Additional gas would also have been under the contracts that these blasts can now render 'void by act of God', thus saving Russia the penalty fees for violating said contracts.
Russia and Europe/US have engaged in mutual seizing of properties on the scale of dozens of billions, imposed sanctions and engaged in other hostile acts that run counter to previous obligations.
It seems highly improbable that either side still cares about upholding the contracts or needs any additional pretense to impose whatever penalties they are willing or able to impose.
 

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The US Sixth Fleet had joint NATO exercises with BALTOPS22 in June near Bornholm where the leaks are, which would have been perfect for planting devices to destroy/damage the Pipelines.
 

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Again, have you been watching what they've been doing both in Ukraine and in their own country lately?
Incompetence is always an option with Russia.
The other one is that it's not even done with regard to foreign power politics, it's Russia's internal politics, the war party trying to block off the moves that the competition wants to lobby for.
Outright pro-Russian propaganda talking points.
Europe's, and especially Germany's industry, depends on cheap energy from Russia. Without it Europe will be de-industrialized and go broke.
Then how the hell EU countries who don't buy it from Russia not only have industry, but also lower energy prices than Germany, which has some of the highest in the EU?
Germany's dependence on "cheap" gas from Russia is a result of treasonous actions.
Treasonous both to Germany and its allies.
Germany is too rich and influential country to sell its part of its very sovereignty, in form of giving Russia a veto over its eastern policy, for the sake of slightly cheaper energy, which for a highly developed economy is not a big ticket item, yet in case of Germany doesn't even result in low energy prices anyway, due to the local green retard lobby, probably covertly funded by Russia itself.
How do other advanced industrial powers like Japan and South Korea live without being Russia's bitches in exchange for a discount on gas?
 

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Incompetence is always an option with Russia.
The other one is that it's not even done with regard to foreign power politics, it's Russia's internal politics, the war party trying to block off the moves that the competition wants to lobby for.

Outright pro-Russian propaganda talking points.

Then how the hell EU countries who don't buy it from Russia not only have industry, but also lower energy prices than Germany, which has some of the highest in the EU?
Germany's dependence on "cheap" gas from Russia is a result of treasonous actions.
Treasonous both to Germany and its allies.
Germany is too rich and influential country to sell its part of its very sovereignty, in form of giving Russia a veto over its eastern policy, for the sake of slightly cheaper energy, which for a highly developed economy is not a big ticket item, yet in case of Germany doesn't even result in low energy prices anyway, due to the local green retard lobby, probably covertly funded by Russia itself.
How do other advanced industrial powers like Japan and South Korea live without being Russia's bitches in exchange for a discount on gas?
I think you've answered your own question - Germany's problem is the greens there. They could have clean and safe nuclear powerplants heating everyone's houses in winter with electric power too cheap to meter - but first they'd have to silence the greenies.
 

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I'll take @PsihoKekec at his word.
AKA ignore the evidence presented because it shows I didn't pull the numbers out of my ass.

But please, keep showing what a petty, foolish Vatnik-lover you are. Maybe Papa Putin will leave you a dacha in his will.

Edit: Here's someone data to prove that the 'Russia needed NS1/2 to threaten German gas supplies' narrative is behind the times.

Germany has bunkered so much fossil methane that it has to shut down bio methane production and power plants to get through the stockpile: Deutschland fackelt Gas ab

And wind parks are forced to shut down to create artificial power scarcity and keep the power prices high enough to pay off the massive costs of buying all that gas at spot prices in Summer: Maka Windkraft GmbH & Co. KG

Maybe look at sources other than Vatnik-channels for info.
 
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German reserves were at 85% in August.
German reserves capacities are 24 billion cubic meters. German yearly consumption is 96 billion cubic meters of which 90% is October-March timeframe so they will still need to import 62 billion cubic meters of gas during Autumn and Winter to keep up with their consumption.
 

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AKA ignore the evidence presented because it shows I didn't pull the numbers out of my ass.

But please, keep showing what a petty, foolish Vatnik-lover you are. Maybe Papa Putin will leave you a dacha in his will.

Edit: Here's someone data to prove that the 'Russia needed NS1/2 to threaten German gas supplies' narrative is behind the times.

Germany has bunkered so much fossil methane that it has to shut down bio methane production and power plants to get through the stockpile: Deutschland fackelt Gas ab

And wind parks are forced to shut down to create artificial power scarcity and keep the power prices high enough to pay off the massive costs of buying all that gas at spot prices in Summer: Maka Windkraft GmbH & Co. KG

Maybe look at sources other than Vatnik-channels for info.
German reserves capacities are 24 billion cubic meters. German yearly consumption is 96 billion cubic meters of which 90% is October-March timeframe so they will still need to import 62 billion cubic meters of gas during Autumn and Winter to keep up with their consumption.
Like I said, I'll trust @PsihoKekec.
 
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