History Myths and Misconceptions of History you Hate

CarlManvers2019

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Look at those horrible British violating our property rights, they went around in their warships forcing everyone to give up Slavery.
/sarcasm.
We did that! Why does nobody remember that!?
Aren't the british still paying taxes for the monumental task of financing this? As for why nobody remembers, it's inconvenient for the Left if citizens know that slavery has been ended within western nations as a social institution and nowhere else.

I don't think people know history that well, as I've said before history in schools is taught broadly and in an abridged manner

Also, they probably only really know the whole "Western Imperialism" thing
 

Darmani

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For me, the idea that the British Empire is somehow worse than Nazi Germany is rather irksome.
I don't have a problem with this so long as there's a specific reason that someone shows judgment like they value this versus another thing. Simply put for the longest time the fall of the British Empire was seen as the failed experiment to civilize the world or the loss of globalism work cetera excetera indicating that there's a direct through line between the British Empire to the Nazi Empire is kind of important especially as Empire Building is always nasty. See also Rome and other examples. It's about breaking the designated hero especially with historic context narratives. For instance I can easily understand why just due to sheer scope and Longevity the British Empire would be considered worse as we're still aching for the pain for that cause today. Where is everyone super vilified the Nazis and let's face it it's their choice of targets and not even the juice that we prop up for martyrdom points but more the fact that they dared give the proper countries a taste of their own medicine. One thing that I've always liked and while I admit how they get it was wrong. Is when there's a direct through line to the ideals that preceded Nazism as envisioned by Hitler and enacted by his inner circle with what it is everyone else believed and practiced.

The idea of segregating people into groups giving them a central traits negative and positive indicating that you know what's best for a top-down authoritarian regime and that people now have to live their lives a certain way. Whether that includes the invent jellicle ISM of Christianity when it invaded the Americas. Or the British Empire. We really need to stop making Nazis or Hitler a special kind of evil divorced from man's inhumanity to man or ability to corrupt something evil.
 
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Personally speaking, the myth that the Bolsheviks deposed the Tsar. The Tsar had already been deposed some months earlier relatively peacefully.

What the Bolsheviks did was - facilitated by the German government in a scheme to knock Russia out of WW1 - launch a coup in response to only getting 20% of the vote in an election.

An election - the Russian communists didn't depose an autocratic government, but destroyed a democratic one to set up a totalitarian dictatorship.
In fairness here, Kerensky's problem was that he kept Russia in the war. Which did him no favors with large sections of the population.

In the months after the February revolution-the situation only deteriorated, with even an attempted Bolshevik uprising in July. As well as an attempted coup by Kornilov IIRC.

Lenin appealed to peace, bread, and land and thus won the support of the workers and soldiers.

Kerensky of course knew that getting out of the war meant no Allied loans and without that his government was unstable and weak-either from the old generals, or the Bolsheviki. Much less the Russian empire disintegrating.
 
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Navarro

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Clearly his government was popular enough that the Bolsheviks were unable to gain power by the ballot box.
 
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Clearly his government was popular enough that the Bolsheviks were unable to gain power by the ballot box.
It wasn't that simple. The Bolsheviks had support in the soldiers councils and urban workers.

But then again, nothing in the Russian revolution was really cut and dry.
 

Knowledgeispower

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Aren't the british still paying taxes for the monumental task of financing this? As for why nobody remembers, it's inconvenient for the Left if citizens know that slavery has been ended within western nations as a social institution and nowhere else.
Actually the debt incurred by the RN smashing slavery around the world was paid off in a couple years if I recall correctly. Also the men on said duty had a death rate five times higher than any other station in the RN
 

CarlManvers2019

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for me its that the southern unionists and loyalists have basically been written out of history.

these people often gave up everything including their lives for their country and its disturbing how they have been forgotten.

As much as people occasionally like to say that things aren’t Black & White, they actually do sort or think things are that way

And when they say “both sides are just as bad” they also forget to check or outright compare things case by case or see the outliers

Plus as I’ve pointed out to @Lord Invictus before, I doubt anybody can’t help but attach lots of negative stereotypes to anyone with a Southern accent

Also, if you trust academia or even entertainment media to teach you entertainment, take note, things are very abridged and shortened for time constraints and the ones “teaching” may not know it themselves
 

Zachowon

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Satanism is ultimately about the unmooring of humanity, intentionally; a kind of anti-religion which teaches corrosive values.
It falls under a pagan religion these days.
Battle of the Bulge, there is a popular misconception that entire line just crumbled in the face of mighty Panzers with only 101st and fuel shortages preventing the Germans from driving all the way to the sea, before Patton and clear weather came to the rescue.

In reality American defending forces fought hard, but were pushed back by enemy superiority as it usually happens during offensives, with the most important action being the defense of Elsenborn ridge.

German strategy didn't rely on capture of American fuel depots, those were seen as welcome bonus, they relied on German final fuel reserves, but had trouble bringing this fuel forth, once the advance began, due to traffic jams, courtesy of poor roads in the region, American demolitions and dogged defense of Elsenborn ridge and Bastonge, not to mention the air interdiction once the skies cleared.

Kampfgruppe Wittman didn't conduct the deepest penetration of allied lines, that feat goes to the 2nd Panzer division of the mundane Wehrmacht, which advanced within the sight of Meuse before being pushed back by American counterattack (with British support).
A good book I recommend about the battle of the bulge is called: The Bulge: The story of the battle. From what I can tell it is the most accurate book about it, all of it basically eye witness accounts and retelling with documents and the like involved
For me, the idea that the British Empire is somehow worse than Nazi Germany is rather irksome.
That..makes no sense.

Some myths I hate to hear.
The French are a bunch of Cowerdly Retreat monkeys. Comes from thier surrender in world war 2, and being someone that loves french history and culture always got aggravated by this.
Since France's Government surrendered to the Germans that is where a lot of people that dont know of Chalres De Gaul leading the free french forces. Which is part of french history that I love. Hell I can never have a conversation about the french military at any point in time unless it is napoleon as that seems to be the only time people dont think if the french as surrender monkeys is when it is about Napoleon. People seem to think that is thier only successful time in history. That is the only time they ever won any battles.

Another, American tanks, especially the Sherman, were horrible tanks in the war, and to go along with this, German tanks are the best tanks ever made, and Sherman were useless against the Tiger and Panther. Which is untrue, and studies have shown Sherman's often did better against Panthers the vice versa.

Oh and that Sherman's always needed a 3 to 1, when in reality it helped greatly when they did, but it was more from the fact they just had that many tanks compared to the germans, and they could outmaneuver the turret traverse and standard traverse of the german tanks.
 

Shipmaster Sane

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Some myths I hate to hear.
The French are a bunch of Cowerdly Retreat monkeys. Comes from thier surrender in world war 2, and being someone that loves french history and culture always got aggravated by this.
Since France's Government surrendered to the Germans that is where a lot of people that dont know of Chalres De Gaul leading the free french forces. Which is part of french history that I love. Hell I can never have a conversation about the french military at any point in time unless it is napoleon as that seems to be the only time people dont think if the french as surrender monkeys is when it is about Napoleon. People seem to think that is thier only successful time in history. That is the only time they ever won any battles.
The French are currently a bunch of cowardly surrender monkeys.
They literally never recovered from WW2, or WW1, or, in many ways, the revolution. Long gone are the days of throwing hatchets at italians and big bearded normans riding around on horses ruining Celtic mythology with their shitty writing.
 

Zachowon

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The French are currently a bunch of cowardly surrender monkeys.
They literally never recovered from WW2, or WW1, or, in many ways, the revolution. Long gone are the days of throwing hatchets at italians and big bearded normans riding around on horses ruining Celtic mythology with their shitty writing.
Yet they are in the top 10 most powerful militaries in the world. Have an aircraft carrier unlike a lot if thie neighbors.

They are still not coward surrendered monkeys becuase you dont like them.

Use an original joke next time Sane
 

Shipmaster Sane

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Yet they are in the top 10 most powerful militaries in the world. Have an aircraft carrier unlike a lot if thie neighbors.
Thats like saying you're the tenth strongest person in a kindergarden class being taught by Mike Tyson.

An aircraft carrier, AN, I'm fucking dying laughing.


They are still not coward surrendered monkeys because you dont like them.
I dont like them because they're cowardly surrender monkeys.


Dont feel bad, most europeans are cowards.
 

Zachowon

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Thats like saying you're the tenth strongest person in a kindergarden class being taught by Mike Tyson.

An aircraft carrier, AN, I'm fucking dying laughing.



I dont like them because they're cowardly surrender monkeys.


Dont feel bad, most europeans are cowards.
I mean, no country has more then 1 besides the States so that is something.

Not gonna bother arguing, I work for the best damn country in the world militarily.
I was more annoyed about people going on about how all France did in WW2 was surrender, and had aftuallyndone more.
 

Cherico

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I mean, no country has more then 1 besides the States so that is something.

Not gonna bother arguing, I work for the best damn country in the world militarily.
I was more annoyed about people going on about how all France did in WW2 was surrender, and had aftuallyndone more.

Honestly the big reason why every one says the surrender monkey stuff is because the french can be utterly insufferably arrogant and it helps take them down a peg. Ever notice how we dont give Poland, Belgium, or Demark the same kind of grief?
 

Shipmaster Sane

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I mean, no country has more then 1 besides the States so that is something.
Think about what you just said.

I was more annoyed about people going on about how all France did in WW2 was surrender, and had aftuallyndone more.
They surrendered, and have done nothing in the interim to redeem themselves including royally fucking up Vietnam.
 

Zachowon

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Honestly the big reason why every one says the surrender monkey stuff is because the french can be utterly insufferably arrogant and it helps take them down a peg. Ever notice how we dont give Poland, Belgium, or Demark the same kind of grief?
Because no one cares and they arnt a major player in the world.
 

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