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ShadowArxxy

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Aqueducts are amazing, particularly that they could manage the fall over the distances they did. We still do that now with sewer systems, but they managed it was abacus and Roman Numerals, which is impressive as hell.
It should also be noted that the aqueducts required extensive regular maintenance in order to remain functional as aqueducts; what remains to this day are pretty much just the non-functional skeletons.

The famous Pont du Gard in southern France is one of *the* best-preserved of all Roman aqueducts, but it hasn't been a functional aqueduct since around the 6th century, and it's well preserved largely because it was still getting maintenance as a bridge after it was no longer working as an aqueduct. It should also be noted that the Romans themselves evolved their aqueduct designs significantly over the years; the iconic "close-stacked-arches" design of the Pont du Gard was an early design, and later Roman aqueduct bridges used more cost-efficient designs that reduced the number of arches, and later on eliminated stacked arches entirely.
 
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ShadowArxxy

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Of course they aren't in pristine condition.

But some of those roads are jn better condition than some roads in my home town.

Many of The roads in my hometown are 50ish years old and require constant maintenance. A 2000 year old Roman road is in better condition than them.

THAT is a testament to the quality of Roman engineering. It's impressive.
The Via Appia is not equivalent to your home town roads -- it's the equivalent of a modern interstate freeway. The Romans could not even remotely afford to build roads of this level as anything but the most critical arteries.
 

mrttao

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That's a pretty slanted comparison -- modern roads endure vastly heavier duty cycles from vastly heavier vehicles than Roman roads did, and the famous Roman roads which survived so well were not "humble" at all; they are segments of the viae publicae, the high roads. These roads were very expensive to make and were specifically optimized to maximize durability and minimize the need for maintenance, although they still *did* require substantial regular maintenance and for the most part, it is only *parts* of them that survive. They certainly did not remain as a functional road network "down the centuries" without maintenance.
There are videos of roman roads being used by cars today. and they do last longer.
Although they are also showing some sign of wear from the heavy cars driving across them.
Of course they aren't in pristine condition.

But some of those roads are jn better condition than some roads in my home town.

Many of The roads in my hometown are 50ish years old and require constant maintenance. A 2000 year old Roman road is in better condition than them.

THAT is a testament to the quality of Roman engineering. It's impressive.
I think this is less of "roman engineering" and more of "roman budgets"
Our stuff is built to be cheap for mass deployment. Possibly for ease of repair. And often for planned obsolesce.
Meanwhile romans intentionally tried to build high cost solid stone projects designed to last.

We can build roman roads today too. its not like it is some brilliant engineering secret.
You cut solid rocks to be about 20 cm thick (about 8 inches). with a flat top, flat bottom. and lightly straightened sides. shape can be odd (it is not rectangular). Although some rectangular ones were found too.

Now dig up 20 cm of dirt. compact the dirt a bit. lay a layer of gravel.
Now lay flat those solid rocks. and fill between them with some of the letover dirt.

All done. you have built a roman road. This will last thousands of years.
 
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Zachowon

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Diffrence between cars and heavy equipment.
How often do we see Semi trucks and the heavy truck loads going down them on a constant basis?
What about tanks and the like?
 

mrttao

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Diffrence between cars and heavy equipment.
How often do we see Semi trucks and the heavy truck loads going down them on a constant basis?
What about tanks and the like?
Tanks routinely crack roads. And roman roads should handle it better.

Modern road:
> Gravel and Glue (asphalt)
> Compacted earth (heavy equipment)

Roman road
> Big solid rock slabs
> Gravel
> compacted earth (by hand)

We also have the tech to build much better roads the romans since we have much superior equipment for doing the digging, leveling, compacting, and the cutting and transport of huge slabs of rock.

Super road combining roman and modern tech:
> Big to Huge solid rock slabs
> Gravel and Glue (asphalt)
> compacted earth (heavy equipment)

The drawbacks of making such a super road are:
1. asphalt is way easier to repair.
Even such a super road will take damage over time and it would be painfully difficult to repair.

2. it will be much more expensive than just asphalt. Which is a non trivial issue.

Overall, I personally think asphalt is simply more practical.
 
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Zachowon

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Tanks routinely crack roads. And roman roads should handle it better.

Modern road:
> Gravel and Glue (asphalt)
> Compacted earth (heavy equipment)

Roman road
> Big solid rock slabs
> Gravel
> compacted earth (by hand)

We also have the tech to build much better roads the romans since we have much superior equipment for doing the digging, leveling, compacting, and the cutting and transport of huge slabs of rock.

Super road combining roman and modern tech:
> Big to Huge solid rock slabs
> Gravel and Glue (asphalt)
> compacted earth (heavy equipment)

The one drawbacks of making such a super road are:
1. asphalt is way easier to repair.
Even such a super road will take damage over time and it would be painfully difficult to repair.

2. it will be much more expensive than just asphalt. Which is a non trivial issue.

Overall, I personally think asphalt is simply more practical.
That makes sense yes.
My point being that those old Roman roads would not withstand up to the constant use the asphalt roads take during semi truck heavy use.
Imagine a heard if elephants on 18 wheels over years of use.

But asphalt is a lot cheaper and helps with economics
 

mrttao

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thinking about it... We today have:
A. concrete roads
B. asphalt roads
C. dirt roads

I bet the romans had cheaper roads that were used for less important areas. It is just those cheap roads did not survive 2000 years into the present.
 

Zachowon

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thinking about it... We today have:
A. concrete roads
B. asphalt roads
C. dirt roads

I bet the romans had cheaper roads that were used for less important areas. It is just those cheap roads did not survive 2000 years into the present.
Yep, that is the huge thing.
The best roads survive the longest
 

shangrila

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Now one wonders... what sort of futuristic roads will there be if Elon Musk gets into it?
Musk literally has a company for that: Boring Company. Probably the least of Musk's corps though. Ultimately the idea of achieving a middle ground between mass transit and road transport though automated cars in cheap tunnels might be too niche to have much impact.
 

DarthOne

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Related to the Media Matters kerfuffle.

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Attorney General Bailey Notifies Media Matters of Pending Investigation

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. – Today, Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey put Media Matters for America on notice that his office has launched an investigation into its allegedly fraudulent solicitation of donations from Missourians amidst its efforts to target X, formerly known as Twitter.

"We have reason to believe Media Matters used fraud to solicit donations from Missourians in order to trick advertisers into pulling out of X, the last platform dedicated to free speech in America. Radicals are attempting to kill Twitter because they cannot control it, and we are not going to let Missourians get ripped off in the process," said Attorney General Bailey. "I'm fighting to ensure progressive tyrants masquerading as news outlets cannot manipulate the marketplace in order to wipe out free speech."

In his letter, Attorney General Bailey puts Media Matters on notice, "This letter serves as a formal document hold notice under federal and Missouri law. The Missouri Attorney General's Office has opened an investigation into Media Matters for America ("Media Matters") regarding your firm's potentially unlawful business practices.

"As you are no doubt aware, a federal lawsuit has been filed against Media Matters, raising serious allegations that your firm falsely and deceptively manipulated the algorithm on X (formerly known as Twitter) through coordinated, inauthentic behavior and that you did so in an attempt to defame the organization and cause advertisers to pull their support from the platform, thus harming free speech. The lawsuit alleges that you lied to the public, falsely suggesting that fringe, extremist content regularly appears next to content from corporate advertisers when in fact the opposite is true. At the same time, you appear to have used this coordinated, inauthentic activity to solicit charitable donations from consumers across the country."

He continued, "I have reason to believe that your firm's alleged actions may have violated Missouri consumer protection laws, including laws that prohibit nonprofit entities from soliciting funds under false pretenses. E.g., Mo. Rev. Stat. § 407.020.1. I am especially concerned that Media Matters' actions, if proven true, have hampered free speech by targeting an expressly pro free speech social media platform in an attempt to cause it financial harm while defrauding Missourians in the process.

"You are thus hereby instructed to preserve all records that may relate to your alleged effort to engage in coordinated, inauthentic behavior on social media platforms in order to generate false statements that were used to solicit charitable contributions under false pretenses. "

Attorney General Bailey is requesting records related to:

  • Internal communications regarding Media Matters' strategy to target advertisers on X, formerly known as Twitter, and their efforts to manipulate those advertisers into pulling their ads from the platform.
  • Communications with third parties regarding Media Matters' strategy to target advertisers on X, formerly known as Twitter, and their efforts to manipulate those advertisers into pulling their ads from the platform.
  • Communications with IBM, Lions Gate Entertainment, Apple, Disney, Warner Brothers Discovery, Paramount Gold, NBCUniversal, Comcast, Sony, Ubisoft and Wal-Mart regarding Media Matters' strategy to target advertisers on X, formerly known as Twitter, and their efforts to manipulate those advertisers into pulling their ads from the platform.
  • Internal communications regarding Media Matters' policies, strategies or operations related to generating stories or content intended to "cancel," "deplatform," "demonetize," or otherwise interfere with businesses or organizations located in Missouri, or utilized by Missouri residents.
  • Communications and documents related to soliciting charitable funds from residents of Missouri
The full letter can be read here.
 

Jormungandr

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Haha! Yeah, see this is why fucking with Musk like you would a small timer (in comparison) is always a bad idea.

He's got the pockets to go deep, and their usual tactics won't work on him.

They're going to get rekt.
 

Cherico

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Haha! Yeah, see this is why fucking with Musk like you would a small timer (in comparison) is always a bad idea.

He's got the pockets to go deep, and their usual tactics won't work on him.

They're going to get rekt.

hmm this is just the start.

The real reaction hasn't remotely started yet and while this might take down media matters there are numerous left wing organizations just like it.
 

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