I just reckon it's exceptionally silly to use outliers as the norm, Pacific Rim is a film franchise, its not my fault later writers of the franchise are incompetent at sci-fi.
Monsterverse vs Pacific Rim
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Is there any absurd out of place stuff in those?
Godzilla surviving the Permian extinction.
Tjiugh that was him swimming very very deep. Most likely the cave or systems seem in KoTM.
Or the tunnels that are under the earth and stuff.
It is implied to be him just resting under the ocean/crust.
Of course the Castle Bravo nuke being used on him to try and kill him.
In the newer one which I havnt read yet but seen parts from.
The bad guy in it can hit with the force of a 9 on the Richter scale and was strong enough to shatter godzillas dorsal plates with a sonic blast.
In the same comic fodzilla uses his nuclear capabilities to basically launch the thing and kill it that way.
Would have ti read it to find out for ya
That's not too absurd, the dude is a walking nuclear reactor and can survive stuff like the pressure of the deep ocean. If sharks survived, he would with trivial ease, most Pacific Rim kaiju would for that matter. At least until they run out of energy, as they don't seem to be designed to last too long.
That was in the film too IIRC, considering he took it like a champ and humanity collectively went 'lets stop trying to kill him', that puts him at around an order of magnitude minimum more tanky than Kaijus, who get killed/wounded from a 1MT bomb underwater.
See I am liable to discount that, maybe it was measured wrong/unreliable narrator, because that's like 400 megatons of explosives, monsterverse monsters take a while to obliterate cities, they don't punch the ground and watch a city fall apart.
Well Kong gives one at the level of 4.2 on that scale.
The issue with that, is that's only around 30 tons of TNT, which for a kaiju-scale organism is a firecracker.
Like his fists alone weigh MORE than 30 tons.
Yes. They cause them. Thiugh that might have been skull Island Kong
Bear Ribs
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You need to establish that, you haven't yet.
You haven't established that. Indeed there's no particular reason to think Trespasser caused the quake, he. and other large kaiju, certainly weren't generating such quakes while walking around and fighting so why would he generate them while swimming around with water cushioning the effects? The occam's razor answer is that the opening of the portal on the ocean floor is what caused the earthquake,
If we're to take that seriously and not as a guy boasting out some hyperbole, he says the kinetic energy of a nuke... which is zero since they generate force via release of radiation, not kinetic energy.Trespasser actually took nukes it's confirmed by the writer, Tanks/Jets didn't kill it but the three "missiles" which is stated in the film and then confirmed by the CO writer to be nukes.
Even the comics literally stated that the purpose of the Jaegars was to have the focused power of nukes
No, Occam's razor is that it took him long enough to damage the bridge that planes were able to sortie there, and that the earthquake was the result of the portal opening. Otherwise, we'd see earthquakes from all the other kaiju, and when Trespasser walks on land, and we don't.
The cartoon is non-canon though, it breaks continuity in multiple areas, F'rex Strike Eureka being destroyed in an entirely different location than the movies.Again you're ignoring the fact that it's specialized for piercing not high explosive. This is what happens when you use non specialized Jaegar explosives against a Category IV.
What Godzilla can withstand isn't special, Category III's can already survive Tanks, Category IV's can run through THREE minefields of rigged explosives each exceeding 50 meter fire balls.
Actually, I think you need to establish that the comics and books and whatnot are canon in any way as well before we move forward using anything from them, after all I can find comics of Robocop fighting Terminators but just because it's a comic it doesn't many anybody thinks that's canon to those stories. I'm not sure anything but the movies themselves are canon to Pacific Rim.
Nukes certainly have kinetic energy though, or at least their released energy converts into kinetic force in one way or another, otherwise a nuke wouldn't flatten buildings it'd just melt them into slag.
Although 'kinetic force of a nuclear bomb' means little because nukes range from 100 megaton monsters to weapons measured in the tons of TNT.
Bear Ribs
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Yeah, the energy could be converted, just pointing out the actual statement is clearly nonsensical and when a guy says "with the power of a nuke!" with no qualifiers at all it's almost certainly hyperbole and can't be quantified in any useful way whatsoever, especially when he's specifying an energy type nukes don't directly produce.
It'd be like saying I'll shock you will all the electricity of a flowing river. Sure, a river's energy can be converted by a waterwheel but the river itself produces no electricity and there's no telling how much electricity the waterwheel converts, you could never come up with a reasonable calculation of voltage or even make a rational claim from such a silly phrase.
In hindsight do we ever get told what payload of nukes (if any?) killed Trespasser? Because 1MT seems to be quite overkill for anything short of a Cat 5.
No. Just three nuclear missiles after six days of conventional weapons use against it failed to stop the chunky boy.
Unfortunately that's not too helpful, damn. Six days of conventional bombardment is a LOT of firepower though, that has to be thousands of weapons 155mm and up, maybe tens of thousands if forces are rallied quickly in time.
Granted that wouldn't bother Godzilla one bit aside from making him mad.
It is. People seem to not understand just how much firepower that can be. Honestly I think most Kaiju movies are absolutely terrible in showing the military responses to big ol giant monsters. It's often just done as cinematic porn which looks pretty but after the first hundred times its shown, its really pretty blah IMHO. Like there are glimpses of coolness in the original Godzilla movie but most of the time we got jets making gun runs so close you can get hit by a tail slap or are flying through the gap in Trespassers arms.
The best scene IMHO of military versus Kaiju was in 2016's Shin Godzilla which was just absolutely amazing for me to watch personally. I loved seeing a swarm of tanks from SEVERAL HUNDRED METERS AWAY just lighting up Godzilla with their main tank guns, and tube artillery and MLRS doing the same with so much munitions being dispensed that Shin Godzilla was literally covered in smoke filled explosions. THEN you have the helicopter gunships opening up... cruise missiles... and jets dropping several hundred pound aerial bombs onto its noggin.
Now just imagine that sort of film with literally fifteen times the budget... and covering the first six days of say Trespasser or something stomping around San Francisco as the first Kaiju attack and just trying to whittle it down or whatever. You could even have it where the Kaiju is maybe disabled or something and then you just send in nukes to finish it off for whatever reason (the nuclear fire could hopefully burn away the toxicity of its blood or some nonsense or its the most reliable way to put it down for good etc). It'd honestly probably be a box office bomb but I would be very, very, very happy just for the ludicrously excessive military porn.
The best scene IMHO of military versus Kaiju was in 2016's Shin Godzilla which was just absolutely amazing for me to watch personally. I loved seeing a swarm of tanks from SEVERAL HUNDRED METERS AWAY just lighting up Godzilla with their main tank guns, and tube artillery and MLRS doing the same with so much munitions being dispensed that Shin Godzilla was literally covered in smoke filled explosions. THEN you have the helicopter gunships opening up... cruise missiles... and jets dropping several hundred pound aerial bombs onto its noggin.
Now just imagine that sort of film with literally fifteen times the budget... and covering the first six days of say Trespasser or something stomping around San Francisco as the first Kaiju attack and just trying to whittle it down or whatever. You could even have it where the Kaiju is maybe disabled or something and then you just send in nukes to finish it off for whatever reason (the nuclear fire could hopefully burn away the toxicity of its blood or some nonsense or its the most reliable way to put it down for good etc). It'd honestly probably be a box office bomb but I would be very, very, very happy just for the ludicrously excessive military porn.
That Shin Godzilla fight with all the weapons was absolutely awesome, thanks for reminding me of it! A neat Evangelion reference too. Would be cool if Pacific Rim had a similar scene.
Convince the US Militaty to spend the money on supporting your production and you can get what ever you want done