Given that all human weapons are little more than a nuisance to Godzilla, and human-scale weapons (big missiles) kill category 4 kaiju, Godzilla might legitimately 1 hit KO with a good tail slap.
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Scooby Doo
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Eh disagree the only big missiles that killed a Kaiju was Eureka's missiles and they were specifically created by Newt to punch through Kaiju armor.
So they weren't regular missiles, in Pacific Rim Black they have to use Nukes for Mark IV Jaegars to kill a Category IV and it's only possible by either shooting it directly into the hole of its chest or firing two at once.
Mutavore didn't have any pierced skin when he died, the missiles didn't penetrate his armor but killed him anyways.
Scooby Doo
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The missiles didn't hit him in those places, Striker's blades/punches caused it.
Yes he did from the Kaiju blood released.
You can see when the missiles hit they just cause massive trauma instead of piercing.
Scooby Doo
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The missiles definitely hit him in the face, you just can't see the after effects because it immediately cuts away with smoke obscuring the blast zones.
The novelization says its designed for piercing damage not trauma.
You can literally see the missiles impact and not a drop of blood falls out of him lmao. Other weapons in the film cause massive wounds and cause the blood to spray around.
Novelization is wrong then.
Scooby Doo
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It's literally hitting him in the spots Eureka punches him at which were already bleeding. You can't even see the blood spraying when Eureka punches him.
Oooooor maybe your theory is wrong?
If regular missiles were enough Jaegars wouldn't be needed.
We literally see Eureka soften the Kaiju's face up then finish him off with missiles designed for penetration to same areas he struck.
It's not like they opened up with volley's to the chest and the Kaiju died from just that.
Screenshot the blood bursting from the impacts please.
Scooby Doo
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Blood doesn't have to burst out, it penetrates through the skin. That's it's design, to burrow through not blast apart the surface of the skin.
You can't even screen shot the scene anyway because the smoke obscures the areas it hits.
Its a 800mm+ missile exploding on impact, why does it not make blood explode like the plasma weapons do?
Getting my point?
Because it explodes it must be APHE (unlikely, and would not explode on impact) or HEAT, which is the most likely weapon here if it is designed for piercing.
Except HEAT rounds on flesh would make a big chunk explode out of the creature, or pierce out the back end.
Scooby Doo
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Plasma weapons can super heat blood into gas, Kaiju biology is also funky as shown in Uprising when it's used as fuel
You're trying to apply logic to a fictional series where the Kaiju skin can no sell point blank 20mm Vulcan rounds with out penetration and Jets slamming into it at point blank.
They're definitely more resilient than you're giving them credit for, there's a reason that six days of Jet bombardment and tanks firing didn't take Trespasser down.
If plasma weapons capable of killing Kaijus cause giant bursts of blood, a missile of comparable destructive ability should do the same.
The difference between a 20mm shell and a anti-kaiju missile the size of a semi-truck are different beasts. However you could launch a hundred of those missiles at Godzilla and he wouldn't really care much at all.
Scooby Doo
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Plasma isn't exactly weak tho, it has the KE to push back Knifehead which is over 8,000 tons. Normal ordinance can't do that.
Again you're ignoring the fact that it's specialized for piercing not high explosive. This is what happens when you use non specialized Jaegar explosives against a Category IV.
What Godzilla can withstand isn't special, Category III's can already survive Tanks, Category IV's can run through THREE minefields of rigged explosives each exceeding 50 meter fire balls.
This doesn't even cause permanent injury, after taking two of the same blast it is the third one that only barely manages to knock the Kaiju unconscious.
You're using a cartoon which has massive outliers and assuming it to be the norm.Plasma isn't exactly weak tho, it has the KE to push back Knifehead which is over 8,000 tons. Normal ordinance can't do that.
Again you're ignoring the fact that it's specialized for piercing not high explosive. This is what happens when you use non specialized Jaegar explosives against a Category IV.
What Godzilla can withstand isn't special, Category III's can already survive Tanks, Category IV's can run through THREE minefields of rigged explosives each exceeding 50 meter fire balls.
This doesn't even cause permanent injury, after taking two of the same blast it is the third one that only barely manages to knock the Kaiju unconscious.
Do I have to post Godzilla flying using his atomic breath? Its functionally as applicable here as the cartoon.
Jaegers have big fuckoff missiles which don't cause bleeding yet can kill a kaiju, why they didn't mass produce heaps of these I have no clue, but I work with what i've got.
On the flipside the human weapon reaction to godzilla is basically 'well it'll distract him a bit but otherwise he doesn't care'.
The missiles are also very, very obviously some sort of explosive round given the fact they explode outside the target. My best guess is they are some form of anti-biological HESH round.
Scooby Doo
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Now you're just not debating honestly, everything that you don't like is an outlier?
It wasn't one, it was three in one sequence. It most definitely isn't an outlier
Legendary Godzilla can't fly with his breath, like wise those are the feats for the Category IV Kaiju Copperhead.
You just can't call everything you don't like an outlier. You actually have to prove it's an outlier and considering nuke level fire power is mentioned five times in the series and shown in the film you have no grounds to stand on.
Seriously the only instance of missiles working is one time, if anything Eurekas missiles are an outlier.
Eureka had fuck off huge missiles designed by a genius with five doctorates and years of studying Kaiju.
Idk why you're in such massive denial.
I mean if we're going to be debating in bad faith the 15 ton TNT punches from Kong were rocking him. All it'd take is a couple MOAB's to ko Godzilla.
Your personal head canon doesn't have higher standing than the guy who wrote the story.
The film never mention the specs or design for the missiles only the novelization so if we're going with what we're feeling and ignoring the novel then your claim has no more value than some one saying the missiles are unleashing invisible monomolecular shrapnel at light speed.
Explain why the 'piercing' missiles fail to pierce Mutavore then?
For that matter if they are designed to pierce, why are they highly explosive outside the target, where they seemingly cause no damage?
What design are these missiles, APHE, HEAT, HESH, some sort of subcaliber payload system, what?
For that matter if they are designed to pierce, why are they highly explosive outside the target, where they seemingly cause no damage?
What design are these missiles, APHE, HEAT, HESH, some sort of subcaliber payload system, what?
Scooby Doo
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Visual discrepancy the same reason why an Oil Tanker is smaller than Gypsy Danger but it's actually intended to be a full sized oil tanker.
We actually don't see what happens because of the smoke obscuring and the shots landing in the same spots that were already injured.
So pointless to argue because you can't prove how much or type of damage it did.
Unspecified but if it was anything conventional then Tanks/Jets/Missiles wouldn't have taken six days of bombardment to kill Trespasser.
So obviously something unconventional
Or the oil tanker is just an especially small one? Are we literally just ignoring the visuals of the film now?
We know it didn't cause any external damage, or at least sufficiently small external damage that it caused no bleeding.
The bloodied spots on Mutavore were already there before the missiles struck.
What makes it so unconventional? It's big explosive missiles of some variety and non-nuclear.
What method of damage does it cause which caused Mutavore to die? (Granted he already wasn't in good condition from all the punches)
Scooby Doo
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Idk the visuals also showed Slattern taking a nuke equivalent to 150 megatons but you seem pretty adamant on cherry picking one specific scene
How can you say this when the projectiles landed where existing injuries already were then obscured with smoke?
Do you have scans after the detonations that are not obscured with smoke?
Yeah so you can't prove it wasn't injured.
Only thing mentioned was that it was designed by Newt's expert knowledge on Kaiju biology to pierce deep into their Hides.
We don't know if conventional resources were used or if it was something exotic like the rest of their equipment.
Probably some sort of shrapnel, maybe the armor got weakened enough by the punches for the payload to penetrate deep enough into the body to do severe damage to the brain and throat.
Kinda pointless to argue about tho since the only thing we know so far is.
1. The Missiles are not conventional because they were specially designed by a genius engineer who has been studying Kaiju biology for years, the only bit of information mentioned was it being designed for penetration.
2. Eureka had to soften up Mutavore and fire at existing injured sites for a finisher.
This with context is very different from your claim that big missiles are enough to kill Kaiju.
Based on the following mentioned feats
1) Copperhead a Category IV withstanding 50+ meter fire balls from minefields.
2) Tresspaser a Category III withstanding 3 tactical nukes and 6 days of Jet/Tank/Missile bombardment.
3) The multiple Kaiju killed by nukes before Jaegars were made.
4) The in universe creator of the Mecha mentioning Jaegar have nuke level force.
5) Slattern withstanding a Megaton or higher.
6) Gypsy withstanding several million tons of water falling onto them while already severely damaged.
7) Pacific Rim Black, Jaegar Hunter Vertigo using nukes to kill Category III Kaiju
That "big missiles" aren't gonna cut it. This is even seen in the comic
Big Missiles don't cut it, they just knock a category III on its ass for a few seconds, this Acid Quill btw doesn't suffer any injuries and takes out Jaegar Kinetic without dying.
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