Military Cringe Thread

[bintananth]

We also get okaish housing, a steady pay check, free healthcare (As shitty as it is), free dental, somewhat free food (They take it out of your pay until you move out of barracks). When out of the barracks you get pay for food and housing. Extra money for going to schools and training. Extra money for a lot of things.

That was just base pay.

Service members also have to put up with a lot more BS. They also can't say "I'm done with this", clock out, and walk out the door - never to be seen again - at any given moment the way a cashier can.

 

[Zachowon]

That's was just base pay.

Service members also have to put up with a lot more BS. They also can't say "I'm done with this", clock out, and walk out the door - never to be seen again - at any given moment the way a cashier can.

Well yeah,, because we signed a contract.
We can also get up to 60k in bonuses

 

[bintananth]

Well yeah,, because we signed a contract.
We can also get up to 60k in bonuses

You get benefits a typical civilian doesn't. Those benefits also come with strings attached a lot of people will take one look at and say "not worth it" to.

 

[Zachowon]

You get benefits a typical civilian doesn't. Those benefits also come with strings attached a lot of people will take one look at and say "not worth it" to.

I mean, three years and you are out. While staying in shaope

 

[bintananth]

I mean, three years and you are out. While staying in shaope

It's not three. It's eight when you read the fine print.

 

[Captain X]

somewhat free food (They take it out of your pay until you move out of barracks

Weak.

 

[VicSage]

You think that's weak? If you're a sailor on a ship, they expect you to eat on the ship at all three meals, even if you have a house out in town. They'll withhold it even then, as the galley is legally required to make enough food every day to feed all of their sailors on board, even if they aren't even there. The only ones exempted from this are either the enlisted with families, and the officers who pay for each meal individually unless underway.

 

[Captain X]

Worse yet is I've seen some of the quality of food on board ships these days, which has included both spoiled and undercooked food.

 

[bintananth]

Worse yet is I've seen some of the quality of food on board ships these days, which has included both spoiled and undercooked food.

I find it amusing that @Zachowon is defending military pay and benefits. The gal who handles the phones and keeps track of everthing where I work doesn't have the college degree OCS requires and would never be considered for OCS even if she did because she's too old and needs a cane to walk.

Granting her the rank of Commander or Lt. Colonel would mean you are asking her to take a pay cut.

 

[Zachowon]

It's not three. It's eight when you read the fine print.

Yeah, total of eight, hoe many active and the rest IRR. Basically meaning if war breaks out you can be recalled.
That's it....

Weak.

What?

I find it amusing that @Zachowon is defending military pay and benefits. The gal who handles the phones and keeps track of everthing where I work doesn't have the college degree OCS requires and would never be considered for OCS even if she did because she's too old and needs a cane to walk.

Granting her the rank of Commander or Lt. Colonel would mean you are asking her to take a pay cut.

Except the benefits one gets from the job make up for it.
The generals who are in thier mid to late 50s stay in great shape because they have to.
They don't walk eith a cane.

The military isn't ABOUT they pay.
It's about other things.

Then again you can get a TDY/Deployment and get 10 to 20 grand tax free. Some unit sin thr Army go TDY fir longer and get up to 30 grand.
It all depends on the unit.

 

[bintananth]

Yeah, total of eight, hoe many active and the rest IRR. Basically meaning if war breaks out you can be recalled.
That's it....

What?

Except the benefits one gets from the job make up for it.
The generals who are in thier mid to late 50s stay in great shape because they have to.
They don't walk eith a cane.

The military isn't ABOUT they pay.
It's about other things.

Then again you can get a TDY/Deployment and get 10 to 20 grand tax free. Some unit sin thr Army go TDY fir longer and get up to 30 grand.
It all depends on the unit.

When our receptionist is asked to work overtime she's not happy and bitches. Her hourly overtime pay rate is also slightly higher than what Biden gets if the US President's salary were to be converted to a 40hr/wk equivalent.

 

[Zachowon]

When our receptionist is asked to work overtime she's not happy and bitches. Her hourly overtime pay rate is also slightly higher than what Biden gets if the US President's salary were to be converted to a 40hr/wk equivalent.

And we have on the books that you have to have at least equal the amount of time off that you worked. Work 12 hous, 12 off. 24? 24 off

 

[bintananth]

And we have on the books that you have to have at least equal the amount of time off that you worked. Work 12 hous, 12 off. 24? 24 off

For a full-time civilian job it's 40hrs on the clock, 128hrs off the clock during any given week.

There's a reason overtime is expensive.

 

[Zachowon]

For a full-time civilian job it's 40hrs on the clock, 128hrs off the clock during any given week.

There's a reason overtime is expensive.

24/7 every day you are in the military. Just not ON duty.

 

[Bacle]

It funny to see the whole recruiter speech that goes from 'pay is not so bad' to 'pay doesn't matter' for the military.

Its almost like most of the military knows thier conditions and contracts are shit compared to the civies world, and that the benefits are not nearly as good as they seem (military nickel and diming it's own troops over food is a new one to me), and the fine print has all sorts of exceptions that all the military to deny benefits for a variety of reasons (watched a vet go through the VA for operation for chronic pain, they kept denying him because he worked in the legal weed industry and smoked cannabis).

There is a reason the military is pushing for more and more drone tech, and it's not just to get people off the front lines. The US military knows damn well much of the public no longer sees military service in the same 'glorious' light as the Boomers did and is more aware than ever of how many lies the military tells to justify it's own budgets and recruitment narratives.

 

[ATP]

It funny to see the whole recruiter speech that goes from 'pay is not so bad' to 'pay doesn't matter' for the military.

Its almost like most of the military knows thier conditions and contracts are shit compared to the civies world, and that the benefits are not nearly as good as they seem (military nickel and diming it's own troops over food is a new one to me), and the fine print has all sorts of exceptions that all the military to deny benefits for a variety of reasons (watched a vet go through the VA for operation for chronic pain, they kept denying him because he worked in the legal weed industry and smoked cannabis).

There is a reason the military is pushing for more and more drone tech, and it's not just to get people off the front lines. The US military knows damn well much of the public no longer sees military service in the same 'glorious' light as the Boomers did and is more aware than ever of how many lies the military tells to justify it's own budgets and recruitment narratives.

That is how roman empire fall.Romans do not wonted serve in army anymore.Barbarians saved a day - till they undarstandt,that they could be new overlords.local romans prefered them to old romans elites,too.

 

[Bacle]

That is how roman empire fall.Romans do not wonted serve in army anymore.Barbarians saved a day - till they undarstandt,that they could be new overlords.local romans prefered them to old romans elites,too.

The Romans didn't have nukes and drone tech.

About the only 'branch' that has kept a decent rep and trust with the public are the Coast Guard, because they provide a direct and measurable benefit to civies on the water. Coasties are also viewed as more akin to a mix of life guards and park rangers by the public, not cannon fodder or warmongers looking to justify thier pay, their stock portfolios, and power like most of the main branches.

 

[bintananth]

About the only 'branch' that has kept a decent rep and trust with the public are the Coast Guard, because they provide a direct and measurable benefit to civies on the water.

The US actually has eight military branches, not the six of the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Space Force, and Coast Guard which ususally get mentioned. There's also the NOAA and USPHS. Those two branches are lead by Admirals.

 

[Zachowon]

It funny to see the whole recruiter speech that goes from 'pay is not so bad' to 'pay doesn't matter' for the military.

Its almost like most of the military knows thier conditions and contracts are shit compared to the civies world, and that the benefits are not nearly as good as they seem (military nickel and diming it's own troops over food is a new one to me), and the fine print has all sorts of exceptions that all the military to deny benefits for a variety of reasons (watched a vet go through the VA for operation for chronic pain, they kept denying him because he worked in the legal weed industry and smoked cannabis).

There is a reason the military is pushing for more and more drone tech, and it's not just to get people off the front lines. The US military knows damn well much of the public no longer sees military service in the same 'glorious' light as the Boomers did and is more aware than ever of how many lies the military tells to justify it's own budgets and recruitment narratives.

Bacle, we are going for drone tech not because of that.
Because it allows for more troops to do more jobs and more information to be gone through faster.

It isn't nickel and diming food. They take out about 400 for the DFAC basically. You go there, font pay anything and can only grab so much food.
They have places on base that is like a small food store for soldiers if they don't want DFAC.

I also get free Healthcare, no insurance needed for ANY of it. I Mena Tricare is my insurance.
The benefits if getting tax free money and a trip to places like Germany, Kosovo, Japan, Korea, Guam, etc etc, is great.

 

[Bacle]

Bacle, we are going for drone tech not because of that.
Because it allows for more troops to do more jobs and more information to be gone through faster.

It isn't nickel and diming food. They take out about 400 for the DFAC basically. You go there, font pay anything and can only grab so much food.
They have places on base that is like a small food store for soldiers if they don't want DFAC.

I also get free Healthcare, no insurance needed for ANY of it. I Mena Tricare is my insurance.
The benefits if getting tax free money and a trip to places like Germany, Kosovo, Japan, Korea, Guam, etc etc, is great.

Tricare is shit that even Walmart employees can get better than, for not too much more, and you completely dodged how bad the VA can get about trying to deny care to vets.

Also, trips to foreign lands to work for DC is no where near the same as a civies trip to the same places (though not sure many want to go to Kosovo). This is the same BS line about 'see the world' recruiters have been pitching for decades, and it doesn't work much anymore, because people have wised up, just like with the GI Bill and VA benefits.

Plus, 400 a month for food you get little choice over, besides just not picking it up, and small food stores on base is in no way any better than what civies deal with. Civies may spend more money, in average for food, but they also get better quality and the freedom of choice in what they purchase (unless they're on WIC or Food stamps, but that's a UBI issues, not a military vs civies thing).

Then let's get into dodging on the 'shit pay vs pay doesn't matter' that you dodged, because you know it's true and you know neither argument works well for civies who are not already inclined to join.

Half the time I think you took lessons from Frank Burns on MASH and Baghdad's Bob on how to try to paper over and deflect critisism of the military.