MGTOW Opinion

[Cherico]

I also found it enlightening how even the most successful in beauty and fortune end up getting divorced like Bezos who instantly made his ex wife in the records as a very rich woman.

Then the most physically attractive couples you see get divorced.

The thing is in every person theres this little voice that says you can do better.

If you control this little voice it will take you far in life, if you dont you will completely fuck up your life.

In the old days both men and women were warned about it, if you have a good thing going dont screw it up. That isnt there anymore, today its dont settle, its you can do it all.

Its why a lot of women throw away good relationships, they have this idea that a better man is always around the corner but eventally the men stop coming the party ends and your left alone.

 

[Arch Dornan]

The thing is in every person theres this little voice that says you can do better.

If you control this little voice it will take you far in life, if you dont you will completely fuck up your life.

In the old days both men and women were warned about it, if you have a good thing going dont screw it up. That isnt there anymore, today its dont settle, its you can do it all.

Its why a lot of women throw away good relationships, they have this idea that a better man is always around the corner but eventally the men stop coming the party ends and your left alone.

Is that the narcissm talking?

Everytime I get this empty feeling, I don't know if that's depression or after an internet search on depression as narcissm that I deserve more than my current situation.

This feeling comes sometimes and I doubt it'll stop even if I hit every checklist of an ideal life.

 

[ShieldWife]

The thing is in every person theres this little voice that says you can do better.

If you control this little voice it will take you far in life, if you dont you will completely fuck up your life.

In the old days both men and women were warned about it, if you have a good thing going dont screw it up. That isnt there anymore, today its dont settle, its you can do it all.

Its why a lot of women throw away good relationships, they have this idea that a better man is always around the corner but eventally the men stop coming the party ends and your left alone.

For much of human history there was an idea that a woman who had premarital sex or who was divorced or some equivalent was soiled and that no good man would have her. Most people think that getting rid of that stigma was a good thing. I, however, think that stigma existed for a reason and that value placed on virginity came about because women who have had many partners really are more psychologically damaged and less likely to make good mates and furthermore, that stigma provided a major deterrent to women not destroying their families in the pursuit of hypergamy.

 

[Deleted member]

For much of human history there was an idea that a woman who had premarital sex or who was divorced or some equivalent was soiled and that no good man would have her. Most people think that getting rid of that stigma was a good thing. I, however, think that stigma existed for a reason and that value placed on virginity came about because women who have had many partners really are more psychologically damaged and less likely to make good mates and furthermore, that stigma provided a major deterrent to women not destroying their families in the pursuit of hypergamy.

It's an interesting point that even the completely matriarchal Madrian movement placed enormous importance on modesty, chastity, and demure comportment in which sexual matters were not openly discussed and faithfulness and fidelity are encouraged. It also very much subscribed to the idea that open sexuality was a spiritual debasement. It's almost like the ideal of a single partner is obvious and to be encouraged across all human cultures no matter how variant...

 

[ShieldWife]

It's an interesting point that even the completely matriarchal Madrian movement placed enormous importance on modesty, chastity, and demure comportment in which sexual matters were not openly discussed and faithfulness and fidelity are encouraged. It also very much subscribed to the idea that open sexuality was a spiritual debasement. It's almost like the ideal of a single partner is obvious and to be encouraged across all human cultures no matter how variant...

In patriarchal societies it wasn’t (or isn’t) uncommon for women to be the primary enforcers of female mores. In traditional patriarchal societies there are numerous rules about male behavior and responsibilities that are enforced by other men.

I think it’s a very modern sort of barbarism that we have now where female power means working to let women get away with misbehavior and male power means working to let men get away with misbehavior. In a healthy society, whether matriarchal or patriarchal, limits are placed on behavior and privileges come with responsibilities.

Just as men should enforce some form or equivalent of chivalry that proscribes the abuse of male physical power and defines responsibilities associated with it, so too should women enforce limits and responsibilities that come with female social and sexual power.

 

[Arch Dornan]

For much of human history there was an idea that a woman who had premarital sex or who was divorced or some equivalent was soiled and that no good man would have her. Most people think that getting rid of that stigma was a good thing. I, however, think that stigma existed for a reason and that value placed on virginity came about because women who have had many partners really are more psychologically damaged and less likely to make good mates and furthermore, that stigma provided a major deterrent to women not destroying their families in the pursuit of hypergamy.

I find that values/concepts taught to us later has meaning when you become part of society.

If there's a disruption it affects society.

In the case of hypergamy if more people do it, marriage as it is would be more and more meaningless.

Then add in birth control methods that can damage human fertility so the rate of children being born is decreasing.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

I find that values/concepts taught to us later has meaning when you become part of society.

If there's a disruption it affects society.

In the case of hypergamy if more people do it, marriage as it is would be more and more meaningless.

Then add in birth control methods that can damage human fertility so the rate of children being born is decreasing.

Its already done. Marriage is meaningless. What is its point? People get divorced all the time and kids from such marriages are in the wife's control and their names get changed to either the woman's or her new beau.

Now we have people pushing Open marriage/cuckoldry and Polyandry

All of these of course are advantageous to women naturally.

Hell, weddings are the most expensive part of getting married and everything about them is in service of the bride. Not the male, at least thats how I see it.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Its already done. Marriage is meaningless. What is its point? People get divorced all the time and kids from such marriages are in the wife's control and their names get changed to either the woman's or her new beau.

Now we have people pushing Open marriage/cuckoldry and Polyandry

All of these of course are advantageous to women naturally.

Something in the end always has to give.

What will this lead to as it continues? An altered society? A collapse?

Social acceptance of a variety of males being chosen to be providers, sperm donors and lovers to railroad the woman?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Something in the end always has to give.

What will this lead to as it continues? An altered society? A collapse?

Social acceptance of a variety of males being chosen to be providers, sperm donors and lovers to railroad the woman?

I may not be American/Western/European or affected much by SJWism, though my college has some Far Left influence

But here is one thing I can understand

Like Capitalism, society is a self correcting system, but it depends on time and awareness

GetWokeGoBroke is actually affecting the entertainment industry, but I think it’s safe to say that even the executives have drank the Kool-Aid and they are also living off past successes or a parent company

Thing is, it’s them being able to comfortably run away from their troubles or deny or not care about reality which makes it so they can continue on with the fantasy they are trying to project onto reality

Your red states, even the small towns that lean Red, will inevitably get a flood of Blue both from illegals and the people that despise you

To quote the Kelly Turnbull series “Don’t call it Flyover, soon it will be your country too” or something

So even if you manage to redpill a lot of ladies and dudes, you will have to deal with another incoming wave of blue

 

[Arch Dornan]

I may not be American/Western/European or affected much by SJWism, though my college has some Far Left influence

But here is one thing I can understand

Like Capitalism, society is a self correcting system, but it depends on time and awareness

GetWokeGoBroke is actually affecting the entertainment industry, but I think it’s safe to say that even the executives have drank the Kool-Aid and they are also living off past successes or a parent company

Thing is, it’s them being able to comfortably run away from their troubles or deny or not care about reality which makes it so they can continue on with the fantasy they are trying to project onto reality

Your red states, even the small towns that lean Red, will inevitably get a flood of Blue both from illegals and the people that despise you

To quote the Kelly Turnbull series “Don’t call it Flyover, soon it will be your country too” or something

So even if you manage to redpill a lot of ladies and dudes, you will have to deal with another incoming wave of blue

Could be or another ethnic demographic takes over who have more children.

The circle of life then continues.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Could be or another ethnic demographic takes over who have more children.

The circle of life then continues.

I think South Americans would be much preferable to Muslims

 

[Arch Dornan]

I think South Americans would be much preferable to Muslims

If you're referring to the US. Probably. In theory the US being neighbours with a shared culture can make it easier to get along.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

If you're referring to the US. Probably. In theory the US being neighbours with a shared culture can make it easier to get along.

I think Even East Asians have much closer to Western Values and Tolerances alongside casualness for fun

 

[Arch Dornan]

I think Even East Asians have much closer to Western Values and Tolerances alongside casualness for fun

It's not all sunshine and rainbows.

Hasn't every new wave of migration brought in criminal gangs setting up shop?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

It's not all sunshine and rainbows.

Hasn't every new wave of migration brought in criminal gangs setting up shop?

You referring to the middle eastern ones? Yeah, I think Britain is lumping East Asians with them

Still, I’m pretty sure most Asian cultures have a sort of value system based on education obsessed tiger moms, an obsession with saving face and getting out on top

At the very least they’re not gonna be a bunch of crazy hypocritical megaprudes eager to ban lots of stuff

Except if you’re the Chinese government

 

[Arch Dornan]

You referring to the middle eastern ones? Yeah, I think Britain is lumping East Asians with them

Still, I’m pretty sure most Asian cultures have a sort of value system based on education obsessed tiger moms, an obsession with saving face and getting out on top

At the very least they’re not gonna be a bunch of crazy hypocritical megaprudes eager to ban lots of stuff

Except if you’re the Chinese government

They have their own values yes.

I'm just conceding with every migration there's the criminal element they can bring too like the triads/mafia for Asians or what other special name they call themselves for a crime group.

We generally don't know it unless the news brings it up or we look into it.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

They have their own values yes.

I'm just conceding with every migration there's the criminal element they can bring too like the triads/mafia for Asians or what other special name they call themselves for a crime group.

We generally don't know it unless the news brings it up or we look into it.

Okay, though admittedly they’re still a lesser longterm evil in my opinion

As horrible as even allowing organized crime in would be, it’s not like they’re gonna be obsessed with their religious values to the point of disrupting parts of the economy and casual fun

 

[Arch Dornan]

pinkpillfeminism WGTOW

I just ran into it and thought I'd share it here. Apparently the MGTOW thing was so enviable that some redditors decided to steal the idea and genderswap it unironically. I haven't collected my thoughts yet. I've just been laughing at this. Why would you copy the saddest movement in history...

kiwifarms.net

I'm pretty sure this is another version of feminism rebranded to fit in with the times.

 

[Sailor.X]

You referring to the middle eastern ones? Yeah, I think Britain is lumping East Asians with them

Still, I’m pretty sure most Asian cultures have a sort of value system based on education obsessed tiger moms, an obsession with saving face and getting out on top

At the very least they’re not gonna be a bunch of crazy hypocritical megaprudes eager to ban lots of stuff

Except if you’re the Chinese government

Um the Yakuza are all up and down the West Coast so yeah East Asian gangs are a thing here too.

 

[Cherico]

pinkpillfeminism WGTOW

I just ran into it and thought I'd share it here. Apparently the MGTOW thing was so enviable that some redditors decided to steal the idea and genderswap it unironically. I haven't collected my thoughts yet. I've just been laughing at this. Why would you copy the saddest movement in history...

kiwifarms.net

I'm pretty sure this is another version of feminism rebranded to fit in with the times.

I am actually completely fine with this.

Id rather the radical feminists keep to themselves and live their own lives then make some poor mans life a living nightmare by dating or getting married. At the very least it prevents yet another article about "where have all the good men gone."