so did the SA and the SS its nothing new.
MGTOW Opinion
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so did the SA and the SS its nothing new.
Nah, history misinterpreted homoerotic tension as hatred.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
/pol/ and Stormfront seem to hate their own users. The internet Neo Nazi movement seems to be the most ethnically diverse globally connected white nationalist anti globalist movement I've ever seen. I've seen Black Nazi's, Japanese Nazi's, Brazillian Nazis, Argentinian Nazi's (though they might be the real deal actually.) Chinese Nazi's, Polish Nazi's (what a wild ride that was), and everything else. Hell I've seen Jewish Nazi's' on /pol/. I tend to just assume that /Pol/ is one massive LARP because doing otherwise hurts my thinkmeat.
Polish nazi? why would people support a ideology that genocided their country in the past?
Also im starting to think most /Pol/acks are just in it for the shock humor.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
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But how do you spot the possible abuser ahead of time?
They’re good actors
I mean I heard that Amber Heard’s female assistant was creeped the fuck out by Heard changing her entire style to be more attractive or like that of Depp and dressed “bohemian” and had hardbound books around etc
But how do you spot the possible abuser ahead of time?
They’re good actors
I mean I heard that Amber Heard’s female assistant was creeped the fuck out by Heard changing her entire style to be more attractive or like that of Depp and dressed “bohemian” and had hardbound books around etc
A) Because they are ignorant of history. I knew a woman from Poland who was very 'meh' on the Nazis and did say that she would have been fine because she was blonde with blue eyes. I mean the Nazi's didn't genocide polish women with blonde hair and blue eyes but they pretty much put through systemic rape. She just didn't know about her own history.
B) They're larp'ing.
Being retard in pretend still makes you look like retard though. /pol/tards can 'reee' that it's a LARP, but at the end of the day fedposting and screeching about 'duh joos' while posting pictures of a small hat stereotype doesn't endear you even if people find it funny. There are definitely people on /pol/ who believe what they say 100%, but they're probably a minority when compared to dumb people who just like telling racist jokes and not have it be called out.
Experience, checking around their friends and family, using government information (we have abuse databases in the UK); it is however very dammed hard. No abuser is going to out themselves immediately unless they're a literal lunatic. The best tactic for a person is to maintain a good friendship and family network and keep them in contact. Isolation is breeds opportunity for abuse.
For the specific of men being abused, I think that the normalization of male only spaces should be encouraged; men should have places that are for them, where women won't go, or aren't allowed to be members of and they should be common. The most dangerous point for a woman when leaving an abuser is in the moment that she leaves, and the following days/weeks; because that is the most likely point for him to kill or severely hurt her. It's why we have so many women's shelters and why they genuinely are life saving. For men, leaving typically is the point where they are safest; women typically do not become family annihilators, women do not go out with the shotgun and blow their partners head off as he runs down the street and women don't drive to the partners friend and club him to death with a rolling pin because he's hiding there.
For men to be safer from abuse a strong network of friends and family that see less of her than him, and places where he can feel comfortable talking about his problems with other men (no man wants to talk to other women about how mean women are); where he and they understand that women can and do abuse men and know what that looks like would be ideal. How feasible or realistic that is I don't know. We need more research on how to prevent female-male domestic abuse.
At the end of the day for me it always comes back to an active and engaged community; of friends, neighbours, family or whatever else that cares for that persons welfare and feel comfortable talking to them about it, intervening when abuse happens and helping both men and women to escape abusive relationships. Abusers isolate their victims, they cut them off from their support both financial and emotional for a reason, countering that to me seems like a good idea. But that's an issue that can't be solved overnight or by online activism; it would need people going out and actively trying to build communities and relationships with people around them.
I mean, I've changed how I've dressed to make a girl like me more.
EDIT: MGTOW to me seems to be a decidedly individualistic movement that runs on 'fuck off' principles, when domestic violence is the sort of beast that thrives on individuals that isolate, abuse of state power loves lone citizens because they are easy to target. It's not enough to be a man that is going his own way, men need to be going the same way to change how society sees male/female relationships; and that's a fuck load of hard work for anyone. It's very easy to say what should be done, but getting it done is another thing entirely.
EDIT2: Sorry about that, sort of hijacked the thread to sperg about DV.
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Duke Nukem
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Yeah /Pol is like stormfront but with better memes.
Duke Nukem
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Wow this thread is something else
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SJW's calling people who support MGTOW patriarchs and calling it a Hate group LOL.
What is MGTOW?
I am asking this question because trying to get to the bottom of it is proving to be very perplexing to me. One part seems Cultish. One part seems just regular guys not getting married and Another is in full on let the world burn. Can someone who might have some incite into those movement shed...
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SJW's calling people who support MGTOW patriarchs and calling it a Hate group LOL.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
Its alright i started the derail to begin with.
Its my thread anyway so I don't mind.
hyperspacewizard
Well-known member
What has to be said here is that a lot of mgtow aren’t men’s rights activists they believe it’s pointless to try to change the laws in this gynocentric society we live in most voters are women and women aren’t going to give up any advantages especially when they think the are the underdogs still. Mgtow is about personal choice and consmerating with others about how to live with that choice. Personally I understand where a lot of people get the idea that mgtow are all rage and hate but mgtow communities have a name for that it’s called the red pilled rage it usually burns it self out eventually after the man finds something besides women to give him validation in life and fully comes to terms with situation he may be in. Also mgtow isn’t a movement that has a dogma there is multiple different philosophies and conflicting views. And as an aside why is there such an emotional response from other men and women that some men decide not to have anything to do with women as much as possible they aren’t even really trying to make political change they want to be left alone why is that deserving of shame and derision? If a religious person makes a vow of celibacy how is that different?
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Well, I think there’s something about Monks being mysogynists who are “afraid” of or “hate” women for “tempting” them and such sort of bashing
That said, if they acknowledged they were just that, they wouldn’t be an easy target now wouldn’t they?
Wow this thread is something else
What is MGTOW?
I am asking this question because trying to get to the bottom of it is proving to be very perplexing to me. One part seems Cultish. One part seems just regular guys not getting married and Another is in full on let the world burn. Can someone who might have some incite into those movement shed...
SJW's calling people who support MGTOW patriarchs and calling it a Hate group LOL.
The problem with the democratic party and the left in general is that they refuse to anknowlege that the 1960s are OVER.
Womens rights happened, Civil rights is a settled issue and you have gay marrage in all 50 states, even the transgender issue was a pretty easy fight with people more or less saying meh.
The war is over, the old insitutions completely destroyed, now its time to build something functional in the ashes of the 1960s revolution because whats going on isnt working.
The old social contract between men and women has been completely destroyed, you need a new one with firm social rules about whats ok. You cant build it on "feelings" because that leads to abritary bullshit and tyranny that either causes people to disengage or snap.
What the left needs is to lose, to loose in such a total way that the democratic party is destroyed and some thing functional is created out of the mess. The republicans went through that process in 2012 the democrats need that hard reset now.
LifeisTiresome
Well-known member
What do you mean and what’s your point?
Cause society and feminists oppose them that means they are bad?
Feminists and society want to get rid of hot women from video games and comics. You oppose them. Does this mean that your’re in the wrong
LifeisTiresome
Well-known member
So what if MGTOW is filled with rage? Have those people seen the shit feminists say and get up to?
Oh of course, men can’t say or do anything. This is what the establishment want. Submission.
Democrats losing means very little imo as long as the colleges/universities and media continue to remain as they are.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
It needs to lose in such a way that they're shocked when their "slaves" are telling them to fuck off.
Guys like Chapelle are already living "FUCK YOU's" to the Far Left by breaking the narrative too much
We all know they'll do whatever they can to destroy them
Even being pacifists won't stop them from making lies idiots will believe in
If they ever acknowledge the difference between men & women, that it's less discrimination and more a lack of interest to begin with or that men aren't malicious
Well, their narratives break
What I'm saying is that they can't afford to let people be happy In such a way that nobody's even hurt or has anything to do with them
hyperspacewizard
Well-known member
I personally have no issue with anger and even hate as long as it stays verbal or textual which I think we can all agree mgtow isn’t a group of people who go out and commit violence in their anger so it’s fine with me.
Also it’s not just the colleges it’s all the way down to pre ks which should maybe become its own thread all the horrible crap that is being pushed on kids in our public schools
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
@LifeisTiresome
"This is most important. Don’t allow men to be happy … Happy men are free men. So kill their joy in living. Take away from them what they want. Make them think that the mere thought of a personal desire is evil. Bring them to a state where saying ‘I want’ is no longer a natural right, but a shameful admission. Altruism is of great help in this. Unhappy men will come to you. They’ll need you. They’ll come for consolation, for support, for escape.
… Look at the moral atmosphere of today. Everything enjoyable, from cigarettes to sex to ambition to the profit motive, is considered depraved or sinful. Just prove that a thing makes men happy and you’ve damned it. That’s how far we’ve come. We’ve tied happiness to guilt. And we’ve got mankind by the throat."
This part of a speech basically explains it
They can't afford to let those men be happy, most especially they can't let them be remotely happy without their "help" or "presence"
If people see that these MGTOW types aren't so bad and are doing well, it may not just be other men comforting them or being friends with them, but other women of a different attitude
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They need to be forced back into the fold at the very least, even if it means they'll be bullied and used the whole way
"This is most important. Don’t allow men to be happy … Happy men are free men. So kill their joy in living. Take away from them what they want. Make them think that the mere thought of a personal desire is evil. Bring them to a state where saying ‘I want’ is no longer a natural right, but a shameful admission. Altruism is of great help in this. Unhappy men will come to you. They’ll need you. They’ll come for consolation, for support, for escape.
… Look at the moral atmosphere of today. Everything enjoyable, from cigarettes to sex to ambition to the profit motive, is considered depraved or sinful. Just prove that a thing makes men happy and you’ve damned it. That’s how far we’ve come. We’ve tied happiness to guilt. And we’ve got mankind by the throat."
This part of a speech basically explains it
They can't afford to let those men be happy, most especially they can't let them be remotely happy without their "help" or "presence"
If people see that these MGTOW types aren't so bad and are doing well, it may not just be other men comforting them or being friends with them, but other women of a different attitude
Slaves, whips, Ayn Rand, Ellsworth Toohey, Fountainhead
Slaves, whips, Ayn Rand, Ellsworth Toohey, Fountainhead, Nazism, Stalin, Communism, general elections, Labour, reason, social justice warriors
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Ellsworth Toohey on How to Rule Souls (from "The Fountainhead")
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They need to be forced back into the fold at the very least, even if it means they'll be bullied and used the whole way
ShieldWife
Marchioness
I don't think that MGTOW is a Jewish conspiracy, but the Stormfront folks are right about one thing, MGTOW (if widely practiced) would not be good for Western civilization or any sort of conservative movements. Men who are aware of how bad feminism is shouldn't be avoiding women, they should be out there finding conservative wives, or converting moderate women into conservatives, having babies with them, and raising conservative children in conservative families. The left wing may control most of the powerful institutions in society, but individual families still have a lot of freedom and we need to use that if we're going to keep the flame of the West alive.
So, I won't criticize guys who go their own way, many of their reasons are grounded in solid facts, but we don't just give up in the face of adversity, we fight for our future.
So, I won't criticize guys who go their own way, many of their reasons are grounded in solid facts, but we don't just give up in the face of adversity, we fight for our future.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I think the biggest problem would be finding Conservative women, these guys who've fallen for sociopaths need to be able to spot ones or potential ones
At this point, even being a Democrat of the non-screeching kind could possibly lead to them going crazy later unless they make a change themselves as they may just believe whatever CNN and similar tells them
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Well, guys need to be careful to look out for women who are crazy, nasty, or have bad values/beliefs. It’s not easy and some guys are going to make mistakes and end up in divorce courts or paying alimony. Just like some soldiers die in a war, that doesn’t mean that if a foreign army invaded you just surrender.
Some guys just happen to be attracted to crazy, I personally look for Crazy that fits me best, and has the same political opinions as me