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Islam empires were fuxking horrible and the entire religion is founded on conquest
Zach what is with this silly nonsense you are talking about, it's like you are just posting with your gut and not thinking things through. Stop posting like a liberal.

Two things first Islamic empires were fucking horrible but so were all empires. All groups that were conqured by empires had it rough, and those who were at the top of the empire had it great. Aren't you pro empire and conquest and want America to get into more wars with China or Russia to make the U.S. sphere of influence larger? That's an empire. Why is it good now in 2023 to do that, but bad in 1600 for the Turks to conquer Eastern Europe?

I mean I dislike the Turks because they were invading MY ancestors, but I recognize that thats just how empires operate my people before the Turks had an Empire as Rome and we did the same to Gaul, Germany, Israel, etc. Conquest and slavery is normal The British did it, the French did it, the Spanish did it, America still does it though it tries to hide it.


Oh and their religion is founded on conquest yes, but that's relatively common it is nothing special. There are only two religions I know of whose founders were peaceful Christianity and Buddhism. Other world religions from Pagans, to Jews, to Hindus all were started with conquest and subjugation.
 
Zach what is with this silly nonsense you are talking about, it's like you are just posting with your gut and not thinking things through. Stop posting like a liberal.

Two things first Islamic empires were fucking horrible but so were all empires. All groups that were conqured by empires had it rough, and those who were at the top of the empire had it great. Aren't you pro empire and conquest and want America to get into more wars with China or Russia to make the U.S. sphere of influence larger? That's an empire. Why is it good now in 2023 to do that, but bad in 1600 for the Turks to conquer Eastern Europe?

I mean I dislike the Turks because they were invading MY ancestors, but I recognize that thats just how empires operate my people before the Turks had an Empire as Rome and we did the same to Gaul, Germany, Israel, etc. Conquest and slavery is normal The British did it, the French did it, the Spanish did it, America still does it though it tries to hide it.


Oh and their religion is founded on conquest yes, but that's relatively common it is nothing special. There are only two religions I know of whose founders were peaceful Christianity and Buddhism. Other world religions from Pagans, to Jews, to Hindus all were started with conquest and subjugation.
King, I seriously wonder where you've studied... anything.

Islam has a history of treating subjugated peoples worse than basically anyone except the Aztecs.

You apparently have little clue about what the founding concepts of the various major world religions were as well.

1. Judaism was founded in the liberation of the nation of Israel from captivity. Yes, a generation later they invaded Canaan and drove many of the peoples there at the time out, but that's not where it was founded, and importantly, it had no expansionist mandate, or religious law saying 'go to other lands and force people to convert or be enslaved.'
2. Confucianism was founded by a scholar, not a warlord.
3. Hinduism's origins go so far back nobody has a clear idea where exactly it distinctly started, it certainly didn't start with 'convert, be enslaved, or die,' expansionism like Islam.
4. Shinto similarly is so ancient that its emergence and what social events happened at the time are not so clear.

There are literally no major world religions aside from Islam founded by a warlord, spread primarily by conquest, and that codify as religious law the enslavement and subjugation of non-adherents.

If the Aztec religious system was still around, we'd be looking at some competition, but the destruction of that is one definite win that can be accredited to the Spanish.
 
King, I seriously wonder where you've studied... anything.

Islam has a history of treating subjugated peoples worse than basically anyone except the Aztecs.

You apparently have little clue about what the founding concepts of the various major world religions were as well.

1. Judaism was founded in the liberation of the nation of Israel from captivity. Yes, a generation later they invaded Canaan and drove many of the peoples there at the time out, but that's not where it was founded, and importantly, it had no expansionist mandate, or religious law saying 'go to other lands and force people to convert or be enslaved.'
2. Confucianism was founded by a scholar, not a warlord.
3. Hinduism's origins go so far back nobody has a clear idea where exactly it distinctly started, it certainly didn't start with 'convert, be enslaved, or die,' expansionism like Islam.
4. Shinto similarly is so ancient that its emergence and what social events happened at the time are not so clear.

There are literally no major world religions aside from Islam founded by a warlord, spread primarily by conquest, and that codify as religious law the enslavement and subjugation of non-adherents.

If the Aztec religious system was still around, we'd be looking at some competition, but the destruction of that is one definite win that can be accredited to the Spanish.
LordsFire what you said is manifestly false. Christian empires have treated non Christians worse than Islamic empires have treated non Muslims on average. We have a perfect look at a group that lived in both worlds the Jews. The Jews frequently preferred Muslim rule over Christian one. Tell me Lords do you think that Jews are uniquely backstabbers or something? Why else would they support Islamic invasion in Spain against Christians or work as middle men for the Ottomans and have some power there? The reason I think that Jews frequently opened the gates of Christian cities to Muslim invaders is because the Muslims were more favorable to Jews and treated them better so it makes sense for the Jews to be willing to hinder one side and help the other. What other logical reason is there, do you think Jews are just illogical or something?

Obviously Islam treats others as second class citizens. But treating out groups as second class citizens was common everywhere until the 50's. America used to have segregation for God's sake.

1. Judaism was founded on Mount Sinai the conquest of the Holy Land is a part of it's begining. It's literally God's promise, Moses led wars against the Caanites, and Midianites, he orders rape and enslavement. Yes the Jews were freed from slavery yes that's good. Muslims can also point to random acts of charity and goodness that Muhamud and the early Muslims have done.
2. I usually don't consider Confucianism a religion. But it is not founded by a warlord, but it does have violence. Since the whole religion/philosophy is based on the individual, family, and the state. All states engage in power and control.
3.Hinduism literally started with the Aryan invasion and the enslavement of the conqured people by putting them in lower castes while the conqurers are high caste.
4. Shinto is a pagan religion it probably had similar founding to Ancient Greek and Roman religion. Parts of the land had their own Kami/spirits/gods who they revere. These are gods of various size some were for the whole of Japan like Amaterasu, some are for a region and would be that regions patron that would cause fights with others(similar thing happened in the middle east), some were village gods of only a certain village or mountain, and some were household or family gods that only a specefic family followed.


Comparing Islam to the Aztecs is laughable and ignorant. Aztecs required human sacrifice.

Musims don't. Muslims have the requirement to conquer the world and evangelize. But so do Christians, when Christians are in power they also used violence and the same means Muslims used.
 
Zach what is with this silly nonsense you are talking about, it's like you are just posting with your gut and not thinking things through. Stop posting like a liberal.

Two things first Islamic empires were fucking horrible but so were all empires. All groups that were conqured by empires had it rough, and those who were at the top of the empire had it great. Aren't you pro empire and conquest and want America to get into more wars with China or Russia to make the U.S. sphere of influence larger? That's an empire. Why is it good now in 2023 to do that, but bad in 1600 for the Turks to conquer Eastern Europe?

I mean I dislike the Turks because they were invading MY ancestors, but I recognize that thats just how empires operate my people before the Turks had an Empire as Rome and we did the same to Gaul, Germany, Israel, etc. Conquest and slavery is normal The British did it, the French did it, the Spanish did it, America still does it though it tries to hide it.


Oh and their religion is founded on conquest yes, but that's relatively common it is nothing special. There are only two religions I know of whose founders were peaceful Christianity and Buddhism. Other world religions from Pagans, to Jews, to Hindus all were started with conquest and subjugation.
I am majoring on military history.
One of my semesters I heavily focuses on how horrible Islamic empires were.

They were expansionist to the level that you have to join thier religion, be enslaved, or you perish.
Every other religion you mentioned, even Pagans to a degree depending on which pagan religion, allowed others of various religions to live under them normally. Yes even Christians...even as zealous as they were. Hell, the foundation of the polish Lithuanian commonwealth was due to the fact of Christians marrying a pagan and the population slowly converting, not forcing them.

If you look at all thr Islamic caliphate over time, they all expanded on extreme violence against the locals. Having subjugated the Persian people until they converted. Look at what they did in the Balkans. Which went on a LOT longer then most nations had slavery in general....
 
You are literally living in an alternate reality.

There's no point in arguing with you about this.
Don't run away. Tell me why did Jews in Spain betray the Christian Kingdoms and help the Muslim invaders then? Are you denying that it happened or what?
 
I am majoring on military history.
One of my semesters I heavily focuses on how horrible Islamic empires were.

They were expansionist to the level that you have to join thier religion, be enslaved, or you perish.
Every other religion you mentioned, even Pagans to a degree depending on which pagan religion, allowed others of various religions to live under them normally. Yes even Christians...even as zealous as they were. Hell, the foundation of the polish Lithuanian commonwealth was due to the fact of Christians marrying a pagan and the population slowly converting, not forcing them.

If you look at all thr Islamic caliphate over time, they all expanded on extreme violence against the locals. Having subjugated the Persian people until they converted. Look at what they did in the Balkans. Which went on a LOT longer then most nations had slavery in general....
Dude the Teutonic order did what some might consider a genocide on the pagans. It very much was convert or die.

Also the European colonization of the New World, and some parts of Asia.

Yes Islamic empires are bad and Christians should oppose them if it's practical. But don't act like the Western nations did not do the same things.

Christian Kingdoms did the whole convert or die plenty of times throughout history.
 
Don't run away. Tell me why did Jews in Spain betray the Christian Kingdoms and help the Muslim invaders then? Are you denying that it happened or what?
From what I can gather, anything about Muslims treating jews better then Christians is often called a myth and a way to make it so like Christians are bad.
For instance, the 1066 Granada massacre....
Yes the catholics eventually forced them to convert or expelled them, but dint go saying Islam was just so much nicer to them...
Dude the Teutonic order did what some might consider a genocide on the pagans. It very much was convert or die.

Also the European colonization of the New World, and some parts of Asia.

Yes Islamic empires are bad and Christians should oppose them if it's practical. But don't act like the Western nations did not do the same things.

Christian Kingdoms did the whole convert or die plenty of times throughout history.
Did...did you nit hear what I said?
Do you nit know what helped lead to the end if the tutonic order?
The fact they went to war with the commonwealth led to them facing a step decline and eventual dissolution due to that.
 
All of this is irrelevant because Muslims treat everyone who isn't them by medieval standards at best in the modern era. Christians are far too cucked and cowardly to confront anyone on anything nowadays so Islam never gets any pushback and frequently gets preferred status when it should be getting ostracized for the primitive backwards religion that it is
 
All of this is irrelevant because Muslims treat everyone who isn't them by medieval standards at best in the modern era. Christians are far too cucked and cowardly to confront anyone on anything nowadays so Islam never gets any pushback and frequently gets preferred status when it should be getting ostracized for the primitive backwards religion that it is
"But look at such amazing things they have made and founded in history! Hell out numerical stuff us arabic!!!"
Indonesia should be the example for all Muslims countries
 
Huh actually did not know this

In my schooldays they were called "Hindu-Arabic" numerals, as they were invented in India and copied by the Arabs, and then Europeans learned them second-hand.

A bit like a bird of North American origin got called a "Turkey" even though the Ottoman Empire had nothing to do with supplying them to Europe.
 
But that's the thing - technology is technology. People have good ideas, other people copy them. What religion the tribe the inventor grew up in had is beside the point.

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I did seriously think about it, and I find you to be, ultimately, wrong. I do believe you to be more right than the commies/fascists/socialists in this case, but given that's a low bar I'm sure it doesn't mean anything to you.

I had an argument/explanation here, been working on the exact wording for a couple hours actually to get my points across, but my head is killing me, and I don't want to keep staring at my computer screen.

So I'm just going to say, I don't fully agree with you; I think Capitalism is a belief the same way the others are, just more reflective of reality in a society with an techbase that's heavily reliant on specialization; I don't consider a basic barter economy to be Capitalist, it's too primitive, which feeds into Capitalism being an actual ideology and not a pure reflection of the world in ideological form; and I'm not really up for a longer conversation, if that's alright?
The problem is that you are using the straw-capitalism definition.
The definition invented by communists to denigrate capitalism.
The definition pushed by the feudalists to hoodwink the gullible. "why yes, this feudal system we set up is totally capitalism. anything bad we do to you is capitalism fault. thus you should vote our puppets into power so we can rape you even more"
 

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