Media/Journalism Cringe Megathread - Hot off the Presses

[Zachowon]

You don't understand what a death cult is. Hamas will happily choose oblivion, die with all of the Palestinians in Gaza, and cause so much International outrage that Israel will eventually fall. The only way Israel wins is by focusing on Hamas, not all Gazans.

You mean the Gazans that overwhelmingly support Hamas? The same Hamas who will use Gazans as hostages to try and avoid dying?
Even making it a whole city?

 

[Abhorsen]

Outrage only lasts so long, and you can survive a period of external hostility if you possess a nuclear arsenal that... discourages actual invasion

Not live broadcast genocide with media backing. That lasts forever.

You mean the Gazans that overwhelmingly support Hamas? The same Hamas who will use Gazans as hostages to try and avoid dying?
Even making it a whole city?

The Gazans are very iffy on their support of Hamas. Also, collective punishment is the greatest evil, and it's how Hamas justifies itself.

 

[Skallagrim]

Not live broadcast genocide with media backing. That lasts forever.

Not at all. Is Serbia presently an isolated North Korea for its acts in the '90s? Instead, they are getting closer and closer to EU membership! Of course, Serbia is a mess, but it was a mess before the '90s, too.

Is China generally interdicted for slaughtering Uyghurs? Is Turkey under embargo for decades of murdering and oppressing Kurds? Or for backing the Azeris in "Armenian genocide 2.0: Nagorno-Boogaloo"?

No, no and no.

Twenty years, at most. Then it has passed from the mainstream public consciousness. And if you have something to offer the world, then many will look the other way even as it happens. There'll be plenty of toothless resolutions, but the flow of trade probably won't even stop. And if it does... I say again: two decades of sanctions at most. At the very most.

Of course, if you go full holocaust, you are making it difficult for people to like you. But marching all Palestinians across the border into already-chaotic Syria, at bayonet point? That gets outrage as it happens, and silence once it's done. And once Jews have repopulated the area and lived there for a few years, the world will quitely admit that no Arab will ever be returning. What's done, as they say, is done. And stays done.

So get on with it.

 

[Husky_Khan]

SpaceX test launch of their most powerful rocket yet.

What's being reported as happened.



What actually happened.





Although "rapid unscheduled disassembly" is pretty hilarious as a line.

 

[DarthOne]

Outrage only lasts so long, and you can survive a period of external hostility if you possess a nuclear arsenal that... discourages actual invasion.

Meanwhile, the Arabs are outbreeding the Jews in Israel. Which means that either the Arabs are removed, or Israel inevitably becomes a second Libanon. (Which was Christian-majority. Was. Once upon a time.)

There is only one conclusion: all Arabs must be removed, or Israel will perish. Sure, it means a period of international outrage, boycotts, all that sort of nonsense. But that only lasts a decade or two at the extreme outermost range. More probably, it's a matter of years. If the complete -- and I do mean complete -- removal of all Arabs from the country is a fait accompli, it'll just become the accepted reality. Perhaps grudgingly accepted for some time, but accepted nonetheless.

That is the reality for Israel. Act in time, or face extinction. Averting the latter outcome is worth any downside that the former could entail.

The West should do the same. And take steps to counter the issues that caused the decline in birth rate in the first place.

Unfortunately, I suspect that the current leadership won’t see it that way. So steps will likely have to be taken in that regard too.

 

[Abhorsen]

Not at all. Is Serbia presently an isolated North Korea for its acts in the '90s? Instead, they are getting closer and closer to EU membership! Of course, Serbia is a mess, but it was a mess before the '90s, too.

Serbia did much less than what some are proposing Israel do. There was something like 25-33k deaths in total using the widest definition. What is being proposed is over 2 million.

And China is one the Media likes to forget, and also didn't have millions killed.

TBC, what's being proposed isn't massed force migration, but mass killing. I have comparatively little issue with forced moving, but mass killing? that's a different thing altogether.


Also, Israel's demographic threat fades away once you handle the long term trends right. Given the increased rate of birth by Haredi, Jews in Israel are fine. Also, as of 2020. Israeli Jewish TFR outpaced Arab Muslim TFR.

 

[Skallagrim]

Serbia did much less than what some are proposing Israel do. There was something like 25-33k deaths in total using the widest definition. What is being proposed is over 2 million.

TBC, what's being proposed isn't massed force migration, but mass killing. I have comparatively little issue with forced moving, but mass killing? that's a different thing altogether.

I can only defend my own ideas on the matter. Considering the support levels Hamas enjoys, I won't weep for any of their friends when they perish-- but I'm pointing out that no matter what, the practical solution is mass expulsion, not mass murder. You just kill the ones that resist.

And China is one the Media likes to forget, and also didn't have millions killed.

*Laughs in Great Leap Forward*

China is, across all recorded ages, the most massively murderous state entity in human history. No other state has murdered more than China. And yet, China is treated as a normal country. The Chinese are not shunned as a race of Hitlers, even though if we go by the cold numbers, and the sheer evidence of long precedent, they should be.

Great Leap Forward, tens of millions dead: 1958-1962

Nixon visits China to try normalising relations: 1972

...Did I say 20 years? Ha! How about ten? Millions dead, forgiven, forgotten, never even thought of again. Corpses under the soil = water under the bridge.

Also, Israel's demographic threat fades away once you handle the long term trends right.

There hasn't been a single developed society that could consistently outbreed the less developed hordes. Some religious, dedicated groups can do it... but those rarely make the grand-scale difference.

Remove the Arabs, and specifically, remove them to the East, to the deserts that first gave birth to their race. That is the solution. That is peace for all future generations.

 

[King Arts]

Not at all. Is Serbia presently an isolated North Korea for its acts in the '90s? Instead, they are getting closer and closer to EU membership! Of course, Serbia is a mess, but it was a mess before the '90s, too.

Is China generally interdicted for slaughtering Uyghurs? Is Turkey under embargo for decades of murdering and oppressing Kurds? Or for backing the Azeris in "Armenian genocide 2.0: Nagorno-Boogaloo"?

No, no and no.

Twenty years, at most. Then it has passed from the mainstream public consciousness. And if you have something to offer the world, then many will look the other way even as it happens. There'll be plenty of toothless resolutions, but the flow of trade probably won't even stop. And if it does... I say again: two decades of sanctions at most. At the very most.

Of course, if you go full holocaust, you are making it difficult for people to like you. But marching all Palestinians across the border into already-chaotic Syria, at bayonet point? That gets outrage as it happens, and silence once it's done. And once Jews have repopulated the area and lived there for a few years, the world will quitely admit that no Arab will ever be returning. What's done, as they say, is done. And stays done.

So get on with it.

Yes yes yes you will simp for the Jews and zionists to have an apartheid state. I’m neutral so I don’t particularly care one way or the other except as long as whoever is in charge lets Christian pilgrims come in. As long as that happens I wouldn’t even want sanctions.

But you are wrong about pressure only lasting 10 years. Look at Iran the US can dislike them and Cuba for quite a while. If your wet dream of Israel kills off not just the Palestinians but also Arab citizens in Israel well I don’t think people will give a damn about anti semitism when people cry about it.

 

[Cherico]

Not at all. Is Serbia presently an isolated North Korea for its acts in the '90s? Instead, they are getting closer and closer to EU membership! Of course, Serbia is a mess, but it was a mess before the '90s, too.

Is China generally interdicted for slaughtering Uyghurs? Is Turkey under embargo for decades of murdering and oppressing Kurds? Or for backing the Azeris in "Armenian genocide 2.0: Nagorno-Boogaloo"?

No, no and no.

Twenty years, at most. Then it has passed from the mainstream public consciousness. And if you have something to offer the world, then many will look the other way even as it happens. There'll be plenty of toothless resolutions, but the flow of trade probably won't even stop. And if it does... I say again: two decades of sanctions at most. At the very most.

Of course, if you go full holocaust, you are making it difficult for people to like you. But marching all Palestinians across the border into already-chaotic Syria, at bayonet point? That gets outrage as it happens, and silence once it's done. And once Jews have repopulated the area and lived there for a few years, the world will quitely admit that no Arab will ever be returning. What's done, as they say, is done. And stays done.

So get on with it.

It will happen I think but only after Israli democracy ends with the election of a strong man. Considering what an utter fucked up mess israli democracy is, I think that's very likely.

 

[Skallagrim]

Yes yes yes you will simp for the Jews and zionists to have an apartheid state. I’m neutral so I don’t particularly care one way or the other except as long as whoever is in charge lets Christian pilgrims come in. As long as that happens I wouldn’t even want sanctions.

I know that you're intellectually deficient, but do try to keep up. Apartheid refers to a system where one or more specific groups within a country are legally treated as inferior. What I'm proposing is that the native population of a given country (in this case Israel, but it goes for other countries as well) owns said country, and can expel hostile groups back to their ancestral countries. In this case, the expulsion of Arabs to Arabia.

If the difference is too complex for you to grasp, then please try to refrain from babbling while the adults are talking, okay?

But you are wrong about pressure only lasting 10 years. Look at Iran the US can dislike them and Cuba for quite a while.

Oh, look! Two countries that continue to have despotic, explicitly anti-American regimes to this very day! I wonder why America dislikes them! A great mystery for the ages.

 

[DarthOne]

It will happen I think but only after Israli democracy ends with the election of a strong man. Considering what an utter fucked up mess israli democracy is, I think that's very likely.

Wonder if it will happen first in Israel, Europe or the USA.

Not that I want that to happen if another way out of the current situation can be found. But that seems unlikely with the political establishment ignoring calls for and foiling any attempt at reform

 

[Cherico]

Wonder if it will happen first in Israel, Europe or the USA.

Not that I want that to happen if another way out of the current situation can be found. But that seems unlikely with the political establishment ignoring and foiling any attempt at reform

my money is that it happens everywhere more or less.

 

[Skallagrim]

Wonder if it will happen first in Israel, Europe or the USA.

Not that I want that to happen if another way out of the current situation can be found. But that seems unlikely with the political establishment ignoring and foiling any attempt at reform

Plausibly, it'll all happen roughly at the same time -- initiated by the same backdrop of system-wide fuck-ups.

EDIT: ninja'd by @Cherico!

 

[Cherico]

Plausibly, it'll all happen roughly at the same time -- initiated by the same backdrop of system-wide fuck-ups.

EDIT: ninja'd by @Cherico!

we both see the pattern.

 

[King Arts]

I know that you're intellectually deficient, but do try to keep up. Apartheid refers to a system where one or more specific groups within a country are legally treated as inferior. What I'm proposing is that the native population of a given country (in this case Israel, but it goes for other countries as well) owns said country, and can expel hostile groups back to their ancestral countries. In this case, the expulsion of Arabs to Arabia.

If the difference is too complex for you to grasp, then please try to refrain from babbling while the adults are talking, okay?




Oh, look! Two countries that continue to have despotic, explicitly anti-American regimes to this very day! I wonder why America dislikes them! A great mystery for the ages.

Calling yourself an adult is a stretch you pseudo intellectual.

And you are right it's not apartheid, it would be worse than apartheid. It would be on the level of when medieval nations kicked out the Jews from their countries repeatedly. So worse than apartheid, but not as bad as the holocaust where the goal was to kill the Jews no matter where they were.

As for Cuba once the cold war ended any rational reason for the U.S. to continue disliking Cuba and keeping up sanctions went away. It only remains because neocons are salty, and we have some Cuban refugees who dislike the Cuban government.

 

[Skallagrim]

Calling yourself an adult is a stretch you pseudo intellectual.

And you are right it's not apartheid, it would be worse than apartheid. It would be on the level of when medieval nations kicked out the Jews from their countries repeatedly. So worse than apartheid, but not as bad as the holocaust where the goal was to kill the Jews no matter where they were.

As for Cuba once the cold war ended any rational reason for the U.S. to continue disliking Cuba and keeping up sanctions went away. It only remains because neocons are salty, and we have some Cuban refugees who dislike the Cuban government.

So now you've graduated from being a Hamas apologist to also being a commie apologist. Really checking all the boxes here, huh?

Well, that does explain why you think that national self-determination is "worse than Apartheid". I've met many a purple-haired whiner who feels just as you do on all these matters.

Say... what colour is your hair?

 

[King Arts]

So now you've graduated from being a Hamas apologist to also being a commie apologist. Really checking all the boxes here, huh?

Well, that does explain why you think that national self-determination is "worse than Apartheid". I've met many a purple-haired whiner who feels just as you do on all these matters.

Say... what colour is your hair?

You are an idiot. That's the only thing I can say in response to your stupid ad hominems.

Killing off Arab citizens or removing them is not self-determination. Otherwise Palestinians doing that to Jews if they won would also be "national self determination" but you are a partisan hack not a true intellectual so I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[Skallagrim]

You are an idiot. That's the only thing I can say in response to your stupid ad hominems.

Killing off Arab citizens or removing them is not self-determination. Otherwise Palestinians doing that to Jews if they won would also be "national self determination" but you are a partisan hack not a true intellectual so I shouldn't be surprised.

It seems you're getting a bit agited. Come now, back to the play-pen with you. No more of your childish antics.

Now wave to all the grown-ups, just like an Arab getting deported. Byyyyyeeeeee.

 

[King Arts]

It seems you're getting a bit agited. Come now, back to the play-pen with you. No more of your childish antics.

Now wave to all the grown-ups, just like an Arab getting deported. Byyyyyeeeeee.

You are calling me a child? LOL have you looked at a mirror lately? Saying Bye like that makes you look like some tiktok whore.

Oh and, I'm not agitated at all I'm just calling out your stupidity masquerading as being an intellectual when I see it.

 

[Skallagrim]

You are calling me a child? LOL have you looked at a mirror lately? Saying Bye like that makes you look like some tiktok whore.

Oh and, I'm not agitated at all I'm just calling out your stupidity masquerading as being an intellectual when I see it.

Hush now, little man. That's quite enough of you.