Media/Journalism Cringe Megathread - Hot off the Presses

[LordsFire]

I do not like this modern attempt to conflate 'genocide' with 'relocation.'

Forced relocation of entire people groups is a bad thing. It is not the same thing as an extermination campaign.

In the West, genocide is inextricably culturally interlinked with one thing, the Holocaust. Industrial-scale slaughter of an entire ethnic group across most of Europe.

Trying to morally equate that to 'a conquered tribe was forced to move elsewhere' is evil. It's the same kind of nonsense as when six years ago the feminists were trying to claim everything was rape.

Anyone who equates moving people with killing them is trying to manipulate you.

 

[sillygoose]

I do not like this modern attempt to conflate 'genocide' with 'relocation.'

Forced relocation of entire people groups is a bad thing. It is not the same thing as an extermination campaign.

In the West, genocide is inextricably culturally interlinked with one thing, the Holocaust. Industrial-scale slaughter of an entire ethnic group across most of Europe.

Trying to morally equate that to 'a conquered tribe was forced to move elsewhere' is evil. It's the same kind of nonsense as when six years ago the feminists were trying to claim everything was rape.

Anyone who equates moving people with killing them is trying to manipulate you.

Genocide is literally the total or partial killing of a group of people. It is estimated at least 2 million Germans in Prussia were mass murdered by the Red Army. That counts as a genocide. Ethnic cleansing on top of that really only adds to the intent of the action, as untold numbers on top of that died when dumped into what was effectively foreign land without any support system or functional government and public services, including food distribution.

If you want to play the semantics game that only a portion of that specific group died, then you can say that about the Holocaust too, as there were still at least 1 million Jews left alive under Nazi control at the end of WW2.

 

[Zachowon]

Which would mean the US government did, in fact, commit genocide against Native Americans.

No.
We conqured and spared them.

 

[Ixian]

I believe this is the appropriate place to leave this.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Oh no fair I got a Brian Stelter story as well. He was confronted by a First-Year student during a Panel at the University of Chicago about media bias and fake news.



Dudes looking tan!

Brian Stelter flails as college freshman confronts him on CNN's 'disinformation' on Hunter Biden, Russia hoax

The "Reliable Sources" host was visibly uncomfortable when he was pressed by the falsehoods CNN peddled over the years.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Aldarion]

No,you genocide people when you kill them.Like turks armenians during WW1,or germans Herero before WW1.
If you displace part of population/not all of prussian population was displaced/,and declare that their state do not exist,it is not genocide.
That was what Russia,Prussia and Austria did to Poland - but polish nation survived,and 123 years later created new state.
After german-soviet alliance massacred us,we still survived,and,when soviets fell,still have our nation and state.

If prussians were strong nation,they would survive till 1992 and become state again.They never did so,becouse all of their strenght come from state,so without state they ceased to exist.

Strong nations survive without states opressed by their occupant - like polish,irish,or greek.

You don't need to kill people to destroy them, though.

 

[Bear Ribs]

You don't need to kill people to destroy them, though.

The 'cide part of the word does imply it though. Would you use a germicide that moved germs around without killing them, or accept a person being charged with homicide who didn't kill anyone?

 

[Aldarion]

The 'cide part of the word does imply it though. Would you use a germicide that moved germs around without killing them, or accept a person being charged with homicide who didn't kill anyone?

No, because neither includes destruction. But e.g. Incan civilization got destroyed despite Spaniards not killing many of them directly.

 

[Captain X]

No.
We conqured and spared them.

I'm just saying, if someone wants to claim that moving a people, taking their lands from them, and doing stuff like keeping them from using their language counts as genocide, well...

 

[bintananth]

No, because neither includes destruction. But e.g. Incan civilization got destroyed despite Spaniards not killing many of them directly.

Only 168 Spanards were involved in the conquest. Francisco Pizarro actually married and had a kid with one of the Sapa Inca's daughters.

Spain saying "hi" to the Americas is myriads of greyscale.

 

[Aldarion]

Only 168 Spanards were involved in the conquest. Francisco Pizarro actually married and had a kid with one of the Sapa Inca's daughters.

Spain saying "hi" to the Americas is myriads of greyscale.

Precisely.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Cool, so kicking Poles out of Prussian aka German clay isn't genocide either? Good to know when we take it back.

 

[SchrodingersWehraboo]

Okay?
Can people not defend thier cou try no matter thier political views,

I feel compelled to pop in and address this comment because nobody mentioned the glaring flaw in this argument.

It rings especially hollow to bring up reasoning like that as a defense for Ukrainians wearing Nahtzee symbols while in America, the DOD spent the past year wringing people out of the service for “extremist” symbols like Pepe memes and kekistan flags and Trump fanboyism. Yet meanwhile people are tiptoeing around the presence of extremists in Ukraine, the calling cards of which keeps accidentally showing up in western press? I don’t buy it.

 

[Aldarion]

Cool, so kicking Poles out of Prussian aka German clay isn't genocide either? Good to know when we take it back.

Depends on whether you kill them. If it is just "kick out", then no, it isn't genocide.

 

[Zachowon]

I'm just saying, if someone wants to claim that moving a people, taking their lands from them, and doing stuff like keeping them from using their language counts as genocide, well...

Ohhh I get your point

I feel compelled to pop in and address this comment because nobody mentioned the glaring flaw in this argument.

It rings especially hollow to bring up reasoning like that as a defense for Ukrainians wearing Nahtzee symbols while in America, the DOD spent the past year wringing people out of the service for “extremist” symbols like Pepe memes and kekistan flags and Trump fanboyism. Yet meanwhile people are tiptoeing around the presence of extremists in Ukraine, the calling cards of which keeps accidentally showing up in western press? I don’t buy it.

Trump fanboyism isn't getting people kicked out.
It is those that break UCMJ by doing things in uniform and various other means.

But guess what. The US can choose to be picky then it will allow everyone in then get picky again.
How it ha been since we got rid of the draft...
Still yhe most powerful military in the world

 

[Cherico]

Cool, so kicking Poles out of Prussian aka German clay isn't genocide either? Good to know when we take it back.

The Germans got kicked out of a lot of places because they used german minorities as an excuse to invade a lot of places. So after the war they got mass evicted from a lot of places to remove that excuse. East Prussia was pretty brutal but it was a brutal war. That said Poland does have a historical claim to the exclave of Kalingrad and germany has more or less given up on it for the pretty good reason that its a pain in the ass to defend and makes building an alliance with its eastern neighbors a pain in the ass.

So when Putin dies and russias left with a leadership void and they haven't conquered half of poland by that point well they probally lose Kalingrad, and all of the restive areas probally rebell and win their freedom. Then like Germany all the Russian ethnic minorities will likely be evicted because no one wants russian minorities to be used as a pretext for invasion again.

Just like the germans before them.

 

[sillygoose]

But guess what. The US can choose to be picky then it will allow everyone in then get picky again.
How it ha been since we got rid of the draft...
Still yhe most powerful military in the world

Haha, right. Is that why the Pentagon is desperately trying to avoid the war that the State Department and CIA are trying to cause?

The Germans got kicked out of a lot of places because they used german minorities as an excuse to invade a lot of places. So after the war they got mass evicted from a lot of places to remove that excuse. East Prussia was pretty brutal but it was a brutal war. That said Poland does have a historical claim to the exclave of Kalingrad and germany has more or less given up on it for the pretty good reason that its a pain in the ass to defend and makes building an alliance with its eastern neighbors a pain in the ass.

Because Poland was ethnically cleansing the ethnic Germans from the country. Between 1918-1939 75% of the ethnic German population was forced out of the country and something like 90,000 of them were in refugee camps near the border as Germany couldn't cope with the rapid influx of people.

Also Prussia was pretty much exclusively German, so no reason to remove them, it was the shitty peace deal that the Allies made plus enabling the regime of colonels to seek foreign wars to cover up for their shitty handling of the economy and internal unrest that caused the war. Had Poland just cut a deal with Hitler when they themselves brought up a final agreement on borders and the status of Danzig in September 1938 the war could have been avoided entirely. The Soviets destroyed Prussia so they could colonize it themselves and gain a relatively year round port in the Baltics while setting up what they thought would be permanent German-Polish antagonism that only the Russians could mediate to make Poland dependent on Russia.

 

[Zachowon]

Haha, right. Is that why the Pentagon is desperately trying to avoid the war that the State Department and CIA are causing?

What?
The war in Ukraine is not casued by the US.
And you think we actively want to stay out of it.
Plenty if us wnat to.
Plenty of us think war is going to happen large scale before the end of the decade.

The DoD is more then ready for any conflict we face or will adapt to fight it.
Russia is still losing more because if outdated corrupt leaders. The US may have some bad apples in its leadership, but non on the scale of the Ruskies

 

[sillygoose]

What?
The war in Ukraine is not casued by the US.

I mistyped, meant to say 'trying to cause'.

And you think we actively want to stay out of it.
Plenty if us wnat to.
Plenty of us think war is going to happen large scale before the end of the decade.

Yes, I think the US military wants to stay out so we aren't weakened any more financially and militarily given that recruiting issues are already causing a downsizing of the army and the fall out from Afghanistan and Iraq have made us vulnerable to China.

Thinking war is going to happen and actually seeking entry into it are very different things.
If the military wanted in on the war we'd be there already.

The DoD is more then ready for any conflict we face or will adapt to fight it.
Russia is still losing more because if outdated corrupt leaders. The US may have some bad apples in its leadership, but non on the scale of the Ruskies

Uh-huh.

Ready to Fight Tonight? Not So Much, Some Army Troops Say

The U.S. military might not be as ready for a war with China or Russia as it lets on.

foreignpolicy.com

Ready to Fight Tonight? Not So Much, Some Army Troops Say
The U.S. military might not be as ready for a war with China or Russia as it lets on.

Don't believe anything you hear about the war while it's going on. The truth, if it can come out, will only be available after the war when all the propaganda is wrapped up.
Remember in war the first casualty is truth.

 

[Zachowon]

I mistyped, meant to say 'trying to cause'.


Yes, I think the US military wants to stay out so we aren't weakened any more financially and militarily given that recruiting issues are already causing a downsizing of the army and the fall out from Afghanistan and Iraq have made us vulnerable to China.

Thinking war is going to happen and actually seeking entry into it are very different things.
If the military wanted in on the war we'd be there already.


Uh-huh.

Ready to Fight Tonight? Not So Much, Some Army Troops Say

The U.S. military might not be as ready for a war with China or Russia as it lets on.

foreignpolicy.com

Don't believe anything you hear about the war while it's going on. The truth, if it can come out, will only be available after the war when all the propaganda is wrapped up.
Remember in war the first casualty is truth.

I will know more about the war then literally everyone on here.
At all times.

The US is more ready to fight China and Russia then people think.
Mainly because unlike both of those we actually have experience