Let's talk about the current state of Black Lives Matter

Argent

Well-known member
I wouldn't necessarily say that BLM is associated with rioting and violence, at least not as far as I know. Certain the present rioting doesn't seem to be there doing, even media sources that are hostile to the riots aren't pinning the blame on them.


What I will say is that more so than an image problem, BLM has a message problem. I rarely see clear policy proposals or suggestions made to address the issues they formed to address, it's either extremely vague "make the cops do better" type stuff, or ridiculously overbroad, sweeping reforms calling for everything from new school curriculums to reparations.

It has the same problem that almost all the new protest movements have. They crowd sourceed it out and local chapters all have their own leadership with out any national control. This means you get some BLM groups that have a picnics or do ride alongside while working with the police to solve problems. The down side is also get ones that want no cops or are lead by racists like the one in Toronto.

The random nature of only having local chapters only using a main name means no real control to come up with demands or goals. This leaves to crazy demands like firing all the police. Then you get intersectionality which cause drift.

Also since policing is a local issue instead national one this has to be handled in 50 different places. That is something that a lot of people fail to grasp is that States have a lot more control over issues you face in your daily life then D.C. has. So the demands that Congress fix everything is a no go from the start.

There is reason that groups like the NRA does so well. They have a single issue and national control to raise and use the money to accomplish their goals. If BLM wants to go beyond the angry group of rioters and make real changes they have to start copying other more successful groups.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
There is reason that groups like the NRA does so well. They have a single issue and national control to raise and use the money to accomplish their goals. If BLM wants to go beyond the angry group of rioters and make real changes they have to start copying other more successful groups.

If they want more success, they need to focus on things that actually happen, not a flawed narrative based on lies. Until they can admit that people like Treyvon Martin and Michael Brown (if I'm remembering the names right) were in the wrong, and justifiably killed in self-defense, violence, death, injury, and destroyed livelihoods are all they'll accomplish.

Except maybe also getting some Democrats elected. Which is the real point anyways.
 

Terthna

Professional Lurker
Nah, that money is already funding the DNC.

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The taxpayer will be paying for the damages, like always.
Not that any of that matters to people who would donate to BLM; they think their money is going to be used to save the lives of oppressed black people, and nothing so flimsy as facts will dissuade them from that notion.
 

Tiamat

I've seen the future...
I'm noticing more and more people on Youtube mindlessly repeating "all lives can't matter until Black Lives Matter" and directing their audience to donate to the organization; not that I expect some random video game reviewer on Youtube (like SomecallmeJohnny, for example) to know anything beyond what the MSM tells them, but this is the reach and influence this organization has. They're so inundated with propaganda telling them that BLM are the good guys, they have no idea what it truly stands for in practice.

“Control the Media, Control the Mind.”

Who knew a quote from a damn video game (Command and Conquer) would have so much relevance decades later?
 

Tiamat

I've seen the future...
“Of course it’s not true! Then again, people only believe what the media tells them to believe...and I tell the media what to believe, it’s really that simple.”

Yes, quite insightful for a video game made in the 90s.

And both those quotes are pretty damn relevant to BLM and the MSM right now....
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
I mean...it’s clear if you read their literature and that of their fellow travelers improving race relations is not the goal at all.

It’s “addressing grievances” and sort of implying that whites will ALWAYS be horrible racists, they can only continually “apologize” and “atone” and “pay back” for the rest of their existence to constantly prove they’re “not racist”

And really, what about other “minorities”? I’m pretty sure those South Koreans whose plexiglass was getting banned and had to deal with being attacked by BLM-Prototype riots aren’t exactly part of the narrative
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Honestly it appears that, for most of the regressive left, their goal is merely to feel morally justified in hurting people.

Not just physically but mentally, these “diversity-training” programs sound like they’re meant to humiliate people or shame them for even being born and strengthen paranoia as they all have to watch their backs and hope no one rats them
out for not being indoctrinated enough

They’ll be whipped, they’ll be beaten, they’ll be humiliated in front of everybody else, they’ll lose all their money and means of living and they will be expected to kiss their feet as an “apology” and thank them for that “mercy”

Let me say this

“Kneeling” is a sign of submission

You STAND with one another in solidarity, you do NOT Kneel

God, I think everybody’s basically gonna be a Wildling if they refuse to submit
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
For many of them, that is exactly what this is about. Angry people who want to lash out, and simultaneously feel like they are 'good people' because of how much better they are than the people they're brutalizing.

You know, I think the majority of all this hatred isn’t REAL

The majority of them have NEVER actually experienced ANY discrimination

This “hatred” is just the good majority of them having Chuunibyou Syndrome, they don’t care about actually making the world a better place, they just want something to “fight” and they probably think reality’s as simplified as those Hollywood movies which depict anyone against the Far Left as being a bunch of EVIL Nazi’s or a bunch of horrible “right wing stereotypes”

THAT is the biggest problem, people are too immersed in this “role playing” to stop, they don’t want to stop and whenever something pops up that severely goes against the narrative....it hurts
 

Hlaalu Agent

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You know, I think the majority of all this hatred isn’t REAL

The majority of them have NEVER actually experienced ANY discrimination

This “hatred” is just the good majority of them having Chuunibyou Syndrome, they don’t care about actually making the world a better place, they just want something to “fight” and they probably think reality’s as simplified as those Hollywood movies which depict anyone against the Far Left as being a bunch of EVIL Nazi’s or a bunch of horrible “right wing stereotypes”

THAT is the biggest problem, people are too immersed in this “role playing” to stop, they don’t want to stop and whenever something pops up that severely goes against the narrative....it hurts

So you are saying that we need to drag them out of the cave screaming and kicking and force them to see the real world? Or for Plato and his scions bring them into the dim reflection of the real world we dwell in, drag them closer to the eternal forms. I guess Platonic analogies work as well as Chuuni comparisions. Since they do dwell in the cave of pure opinion, furthest from the truth and far from knowledge...
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
So you are saying that we need to drag them out of the cave screaming and kicking and force them to see the real world? Or for Plato and his scions bring them into the dim reflection of the real world we dwell in, drag them closer to the eternal forms. I guess Platonic analogies work as well as Chuuni comparisions. Since they do dwell in the cave of pure opinion, furthest from the truth and far from knowledge...

Well, maybe not through force, I'd rather they come to it of their own decision
 

Yinko

Well-known member
This “hatred” is just the good majority of them having Chuunibyou Syndrome,
This honestly sums it up best for me. They want to feel important, like their lives mean something, so they have to have causes even if the causes are disingenuous and ultimately counter-productive. The cause is not really to achieve the goal, the goal is to have a cause. Having a cause and acting on it manufactures meaning and self-importance, the more hopeless the cause the better, so long as there is enough of a following to construct an echo-chamber and provide funding. This is probably also partly why the "finish-line" is never stationary, as that would mean success of the cause which would then revoke their self-worth.

The funny thing is, this all reminds me of Jordan Peterson, where he's talking about how young people are starved for meaning and self-worth. It's... kind of a sad comparison. Like, you can become a fanatic, or you can take charge of your life.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
This honestly sums it up best for me. They want to feel important, like their lives mean something, so they have to have causes even if the causes are disingenuous and ultimately counter-productive. The cause is not really to achieve the goal, the goal is to have a cause. Having a cause and acting on it manufactures meaning and self-importance, the more hopeless the cause the better, so long as there is enough of a following to construct an echo-chamber and provide funding. This is probably also partly why the "finish-line" is never stationary, as that would mean success of the cause which would then revoke their self-worth.

The funny thing is, this all reminds me of Jordan Peterson, where he's talking about how young people are starved for meaning and self-worth. It's... kind of a sad comparison. Like, you can become a fanatic, or you can take charge of your life.

I think the bigger problem is they won’t fight ACTUAL problems

They won’t be against things like sexism in the Middle East or stop China from hurting the ecosystem

They won’t fight organized crime, they’ll just go after the “real criminals” whilst accidentally helping the richest douchebags around

They want an enemy that they know won’t fight back or truly be scary
 

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