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Leftist Child Grooming
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King Arts
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What you just said was incredibly silly. You have this new atheism streak and you don't understand that the spread of your ideals weakened western society. Humans need faith, here is an example of someone else bringing up an example
You see the person in the example @Bear Ribs brought up? People will still believe in moral absolutes and morality, it's just that they will have to make up their own bullshit.
This post is not arguing that Christianity is true(though it is) it is me arguing that atheism is bad and should be stamped down on, religions that have an afterlife and consequences in your action whether it's Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or whatever are incredibly useful for societal stability to make people have the same morality this will lead to unity instead of allowing things to fester like in the modern west.
If you are an atheist why do you care about groomers? See what I mean? How can you argue something is morally wrong? Atheism only logically leads to moral relativism. And under moral relativism as long as society survives there is no way to say it's "wrong" you can show societies where people did things that you don't like in your western culture and they haven't collapsed so it's obviously not that bad.
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This this moral relativism is why atheism should be illegal and the Saudis are right when they made a law that said atheists are terrorists a few years ago. Saudis will never fall to that argument I just put about "muh moral relativism" They will have morality that is the same 1000 years ago is the same today, and will be the same 1000 years from now.
Christianity has come back from much much much worse.
Fact is the smart money is were about 20 years away from a serious religious revivial were already seeing the start of it of people returning to religion. This will excellerate as things get shittier, and as religious people continue to be the ones who have the most kids.
My money is that the left is going to become more and more anti religious and specifically anti christian as they continue to go off the deep end.
Ixian
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The first Agricultural Revolution was the real mistake.
Poland motto.
Causeimboredrightnow
Active member
I really have to disagree with that. Prior to the agricultural revolution families had 10+ children because child mortality rates were extremely high, and famines (which weakened populations for disease) were all too common.
We aren’t perfect, but a middle class person in the west has more access to amenities and luxuries than medieval monarchs (spices, running water, comparatively miraculous medicine…)
I'd take you seriously if Christian churches would keep the pedo problem out of the ranks of their very own priesthood better than the rest of society does.
When will you understand that it doesn't take religious beliefs to have convictions regarding how the society should be run? If nothing else, the existence of commies should be proof enough for ya.If you are an atheist why do you care about groomers? See what I mean? How can you argue something is morally wrong? Atheism only logically leads to moral relativism. And under moral relativism as long as society survives there is no way to say it's "wrong" you can show societies where people did things that you don't like in your western culture and they haven't collapsed so it's obviously not that bad.
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Yes, we have "our western culture", and unlike leftists we are willing and eager to tell other peoples that they can fuck off if they don't like it, and they can be made to fuck off in pieces if they refuse to fuck off in peace.
A lot of the "societies where people did things that you don't like in your western culture" suck to live in, merely surviving at the mercy often of said western society actively shielding them from interference by third world criminals and shit is not exactly an aspirational goal.
And moral relativism is just a teenage level argument to attack anyone's social rules.
You can use it to argue for leftist shit, you can also use it to argue that there's nothing wrong with machinegunning illegal immigrant boats and hanging leftists. It's absolute double edged sword of an argument, it can be used by anyone, against anyone.
Another part of the analogy is that being a sword, it's much better at destroying things than for building anything.
You are as gullible as leftists. The Saudis would physically not exist in 10 years if the West decreed so.
Being dependent on the magnanimity of other powers is not exactly the golden standard for how to run a society.
If Chicoms were ruling the world, which they would be if the West disappeared, Saudis could well be awaiting the fate of Uyghurs, as Chairman Xi would decree that he has no need for unruly desert barbarians dwelling above China's destined oil reserves.
Morphic Tide
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The clergy is significantly better than the overall body of teachers, but a few key scandals of blatantly closing ranks to cover several-times-over hypocritical crimes torpedoed the public perception.
Ixian
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Naw, we wuz better off as hunter-gatherers.
bintananth
behind a desk
Evidence indicates our ancestors needed about 3-4 hours/day to take care of basic needs (food, clothing, shelter, tools, &c). The rest was available to do whatever.
Suppose they start their day at 6AM like someone with an 8-5 job and typical commute has to. They're done for the day before their modern counterpart gets to the 1st 15min break.
Everything in life has tradeoffs our modern life takes a lot of work to maintain
mrttao
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Eh... it really doesn't.
and even medieval peasants averaged under 5 hours a day too.
automation just makes the amount of work you need to do lighter and lighter.
If it weren't for the robber barons getting massively more greedy we could easily live off of under 2 hours a day of work today.
King Arts
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What you just said is a mind numbingly dumb thing straight from the mouth of globohomo. As others have said priests have a lower child molestation rate than public school teachers, the reason it's so prominant is because the media is anti Christian and is actively working to weaken and undermine the Church.
But sure you go ahead and trust your greatest allies the western secular media who will be coming to cut off your sons cock and give him a bleeding "neo vagina"
Yes it does. Communism is a religion, with it's own prophet Marx, its own Bible the communist manifesto, it's own priesthood the communist party, and it's own saints Stalin, Mao, Trotsky, and Lenin. You could still have convictions without some ideology but at that point they are just your oppinion and you aren't God king so why the fuck should society care that you don't like drag queen story hour, or pride parades or people cutting their parts off?
What is this "our western culture"? You do realize that it's not an actual thing that was united and actually had someone that could unify and order them to march in lockstep? Like the only time "western civilization" was a thing that you can say is unified was Rome, and when the Catholic Church had power. Because then they could get kicked out if they allied with an outside enemy. Talking about western culture now is like talking about Germanic, or Nordic, or Latin culture. You can use it in the sense that these are related peoples but again Holland while Germanic can tell Germany to fuck off.
As for moral relativism destroying things yeah, as an atheist so what?
I'm not guillible you are either simply delusional, you are trying to hitch a ride to the "west" for pride or power. You say if the "west" decided to wipe out the Saudis they would be wiped out. Well tell me who is the west, who can decide to wipe out the Saudis? If Poland(who is part of what is generally called the west) said "let's wipe out the Saudis!" they would be told to shut up. Now if America did it yes it could happen(there might be consequences from China, Russia, or other western powers like France, Germany, and the UK. But the US is the strongest.
Also your argument that being dependant on the magnanimity of other powers is not the gold standard for how to run a society is funny, you are Polish again if America decreed it we could wipe out Poland just like Saudi Arabia. Does that mean Poland is worthless or something? I would say no it's not worthless saying if you are not number 1 you don't matter is stupid.
Your last statement about China geocoding Saudis like they do the Uyghurs is also dumb, first off the West has historically engaged in the exact thing you are accusing your fantasy version of China of doing. Look at Africa, and the Americas. Second even if China did become the sole hyperpower and the west got destroyed or whatever, no China would not go take everything over because they would overextend themselves and like every other empire just not do well. China would economically dominate those nations but launching invasions and wiping out the natives for settler colonialism is not popular now adays because there is not as much bennefit as there was before the modern world took off.
And yet both have a higher rate than the population average, so my point stands.
I'm not a public education idolizing leftist, but i will point out that both of these professions seem to be, for obvious reasons, attracting pedos, and doing a poor job of keeping them out, for less obvious reasons, which kinda rains on your point that religious belief is supposed to be oh so good at keeping them out. If even the Church can't do it in its own ranks, how can you say it's a solution to the problem outside of it?
Welp, now i guess you will need to say that the Church is anti-Christian and working to weaken and undermine the Church too, and i will have a hard time disagreeing with that statement.
Why? Because the Church, which was supposed to be, for reasons of its belief, an inherently unbreakable bulwark to commie infiltration, is also being successfully infiltrated by commies, it's just taking them a bit more time than with some other institutions. And i'm talking about the Catholic one, some smaller Churches, especially in Americas, are just pure Christianity fanfiction written by commies.
Leftists have no destined monopoly on secularism, just like Islam has no inherent monopoly on theocratic crazy.
Well if its a religion, then its not secularism, case closed.
Marx, Stalin, Trotsky and Mao weren't god kings either.
Because these things are done by retarded commie believers, ruining people, wasting resources and destroying societies. Doesn't take the order of a god-king to not do this as most societies in the world don't, or to do a myriad other things, and the commies have their own beliefs to not care about what my or your gods say or don't say, they care equally little.
Does it need to be marching in lockstep? Was it ever?
Civilizations naturally contain multiple nations, which would by definition not march in lockstep, as they aren't unified and are sovereign.
Hell, even when Catholic Church had power plenty of kings fought, some even fought against the Church or eventually made their own. Civilization is a looser qualification than culture or nation, it contains many of the latter - much like Ancient Greek civilization contained Athens, Sparta, Thebes, Corinth and many other sovereign polities with somewhat different customs, cultures and so on.
Yet it happened and if someone got kicked out it was usually about more spicy internal politics.
Civilization is a more general term than culture. For example Islamic Civilization contains both Arabs and Persians and they kinda hate each other, even have own sects of Islam that consider each other heretics.
I meant what i said. If most of it at least agreed on it, it could be done. The unlikely nature of it and practicalities of it left aside, irrelevant to my point.
Being allies with the number one and part of the same civilization is different than mere manganimity. If Russia was the number one, this would be a different situation though.
If USA took the road of Taliban larping some people propose and in turn for economic and scientific reasons lost the number one status and someone else too kit, well, who would want to be allies with a bunch of Taliban larpers, and why would other powers want to protect them anyway when they wish death upon them for not sharing the same religious convictions?
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And you have the temerity call me dumb in the very same sentence you write something so idiotic?
The limits of imperial overstretch are dictated by organization, communications and transport technology available, rather than by some timeless, unchanging constant - by the time it takes to send orders, envoys, goods or armies from the center of the empire to its edges.
In 12th century, a united country the size of modern Russia, USA or China would be considered unlikely to form, nearly impossible to run well and likely to fall apart (which China was back then, and had quite a few times of civil war and falling apart, and which Rome acknowledged by splitting into east and west to alleviate related problems).
Perhaps in 32nd century the limits of imperial overstretch will be in Alpha Centauri.
Not popular among who? The Chinese would not care more than about the Uyghurs, and the opinion of the people being wiped out would be inherently disregarded.
Mere land for settlement would not be worth it, just the stuff under the land, and you need relatively few people to exploit that stuff (see: population densities of oil bearing areas in Russia and Canada).
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Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Christianity is actually inherently vulnerable to Commie infiltration, because nature of Christianity means that Christians are often too easy to guilt-trip into doing dumb shit.
I hate agreeing with Hitler, but in that at least he wasn't completely wrong. I have people in my own family who support Communist crap because they are trying too hard to be good Catholics.
some times you have to shut down that compasionate voice in your head and do what needs to be done, because there is real evil in this world that you can not reason with.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Precisely. Humans cannot rely solely on heart or solely on mind. We are both and have to use both.
And even heart is far more than just compassion.
mspence
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Obama the groomer?
Barack Obama Defends Children’s LGBTQ Books as States Prohibit Them from Schools
Barack Obama wrote a letter defending LGBTQ+ books in children’s schools and public libraries as GOP-led states move to restrict them.
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King Arts
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Delusional take. No priests don't have a higher rate of child abusers than the regular population. You are just sucking off atheist talking sources. First off we should compare apples to apples and not oranges. Now if we are forced to stick with Catholics instead of Orthodox then we should not compare priests to all men, but other celibate men.
The Church does stop homosexual abusers obviously no human group is perfect and some still slip through the cracks, but the same group bringing up stories of bad priests and saying it's more common are also the ones who use their sources to show trans kids are real. Why don't you believe them? It's because you are just believing whatever will allow you to believe in stupid "What was acceptable in society 10 or 15 years ago. More than that is fascist, less is commie!"
Again are you delusional yes there are heretics, though communists have not infiltrated the Church except in the minds of lunatic trad larpers or people wanting to have their cake and support everything the establishment conservatives do yet not criticize any of it's policies, like rampant greed, uncritical support for Israel, not caring for the poor, etc.
I mean yes they do, secularism is the beggining of leftism.
Everyone has a religion, it is your deeply held beliefs. Secularism itself is a religion to both people harping on the Constitution and communism.
And yes those are effectively holy persons for Commies they read their writings and idolize them and try to emulate them and fullfill their vision.
What a stupid take. Please explain how drag queen story hour is "communism" Define communism for me, it's not "everything I don't like!" Communism is a specefic evil, the Soviet Union did not have drag queen story hour, China does not have drag queen story hour. The woke liberals might have some things they adopted from communism, but no they aren't commies.
They can be very fluid, and it's all just politics in the end. Because western civilization used to be just Greeks, then Rome. Then it was defined as Europe that was descended from Roman laws/civilization married with the Western Christian faith(aka Catholics) as opposed to eastern Christianity, sometimes west is Christianity+Roman law (which would include eastern Christians like Russians) when opposed by Islam. Logically the protestant nations should not be seen as western under the first definition which is catholic. Yet they are, also politics play a role as Latin America operates under a quasi western aegis, so does Saudi Arabia and is our ally. Hell in the cold war you were not western as Poland was part of Warsaw pact. Also you've also engaged in these silly things before by defining Israel as western. Hell I think you even said fucking Japan is western.
Please give a definition for "western culture/civilization" what makes you part of it, how do you become part of it, or leave it?
Yes, but you should only use those terms if you are being academic instead of engaging in political rhetoric.
Same arguments apply to Asian civilization(Japan, China, Korea) vs Poland by itself. It's a meaningless statement.
It's not mere magnanimity though? It's an alliance, perhaps it's one the west should end but it's not out of the kindness of our heart.
As for your hypotetical I doubt this. Let's pretend the U.S. became a theocratic empire. We stop being a democracy and even bomb nations that are actively atheist like the Nordics, as long as they aren't a nuclear power. But nations that are majority Christian we try to have good relations with, non Christian but religious nations we have normal relations with, atheistic nations like CCP we dislike. Russia is still the same it wants to expand west. You are president of Poland, you don't want to be under Russian oligarch, America offers to give you support and protection because you are fellow Christians for the most part, you just have to keep being the same and not secularize like western europe. Do you accept or find another partner because "eww American taliban!"
Do you deny that Europeans have not enslaved lots of people and genocided them? Are you saying France in Haiti, Belgium in the Congo, Britain in India were good boys who dindu nuffin wrong?
Ok I will agree with you here technology can effect the size of empires.
Not popular with the Chinese? Again the Chinese want a wealthy industrialized life your argument is about as dumb as general plan ost. The Germans/Chinese don't want to go to a whole new land and build everything. Being a homesteder is not an attractive prospect for modern people like it was in olden times where getting your own plot of land was how you got wealth.
Now your argument of resource extraction ok that's very different, and yes China might be willing to do that, but then again so would the west with some of it's colonies. If Saudi Arabia was being unreasonable and China really wanted the oil they would do that, but it is generally cheaper and easier to just trade and humor the Saudis than go destroy everything and fight and invade to get it(even if the Saudis are incompetent)
Again do you think the West are pure angels who won't oppress or steal or use force to get what they want? What makes you think other civilizations are more moral or more good?
Morphic Tide
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No, religions are systems of worldview-foundational beliefs, the sort of rootless cosmopolitans we have furnishing the managerial state have such a total absence of integrating values that whatever beliefs they hold do not qualify as a religion.
And if you do insist on such, those kowtowing to the Constitution and Communists would be separate religions with fundamentally different relationships to the preceding Christianity they ultimately spawned from. The former have a fairly direct line to Christian ethics, basically just swapping "God" for "the Founding Fathers" in something with little practical difference to the Catholics praying "through" Saints, the latter are a result of subtractions and over-exaggerations bricking what ethical values are retained that utterly disastrously disintegrated the social structure.