Leftist Child Grooming

mrttao

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You don't need to believe in a religion or a bunch of fairy stories to be "fulfilled" --
When you are young. Sure.
Also if you assume you can upload your brain or something, just around the corner.

As you get older though? life without faith is literally a neverending horror story of existential dread.
I am going to die, I am going to wink out and cease existing.

I sometimes envy the religious who have this comfortably fantasy blanket of soul and afterlife.
 

Cherico

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When you are young. Sure.
Also if you assume you can upload your brain or something, just around the corner.

As you get older though? life without faith is literally a neverending horror story of existential dread.
I am going to die, I am going to wink out and cease existing.

I sometimes envy the religious who have this comfortably fantasy blanket of soul and afterlife.

when the game is over all of the pieces go into the same box.

OIP.1us2tn85yFOAIZRQ3nebagHaEu
 

Jormungandr

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You clearly do, or at least 99% of the people do, seeing how the most outspoken atheists and anti-Christians tended to either be in various cults, or even promote cults/religions of their own.
As I said, they try to find meaning for their lives/fulfillment in hazardous "cure alls" like communism and, lately, Groomers United.

For the everyday man or woman in the past, it was having a loving family that fulfilled them -- even when they had the crappiest jobs imaginable, they still had their loving family, religion or no religion involved, at home. But that well has been well and truly pissed/shat in. But, amusingly enough, men are also finding this out and being fulfilled by going MGTOW; expanding their horizons, hanging with friends, et cetera.

When I see people proudly state that "all you need is the Bible" or "all you need is God", I honestly groan. If believing in a religion works for them, that's great -- it works for them. But the view that it's the only thing that'll fulfill people? That's when it crosses into "arrogant religious nut" territory. And, yes, I've seen that on this forum too, even if I personally like and get along with everyone on TS bar one person. Ya'll are great folks.

For me, personally? The only two things stopping me from being happy in life are a) my health and b) money, since I want to do professional training courses to get a career and a related education that would honestly make me happy and fulfilled in life.

I don't want nor need religion to be happy.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
When I see people proudly state that "all you need is the Bible" or "all you need is God", I honestly groan. If believing in a religion works for them, that's great -- it works for them. But the view that it's the only thing that'll fulfill people? That's when it crosses into "arrogant religious nut" territory. And, yes, I've seen that on this forum too, even if I personally like and get along with everyone on TS bar one person. Ya'll are great folks.

When people say this, they are making a claim about fundamental truths of reality and the human condition.

Specifically, that mankind was created for the purpose of being in relationship with God. It's usually somewhat hyperbolically stated, but the key is that this purpose is the paramount purpose, all other purposes are secondary to it.

When you say that is not true, you are making a contrary claim about the fundamental truths of reality and the human condition. I won't claim to say exactly what it is on your behalf, but it is certainly one that excludes 'mankind was created for the purpose of being in relationship with God.'


If us Christians are 'arrogant religious nuts' for making the one claim, you are just as much an 'arrogant religious nut' for making a claim that contradicts it.

The real question, of course, is which truth-claim better correlates with reality?
 

Bear Ribs

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When I see people proudly state that "all you need is the Bible" or "all you need is God", I honestly groan. If believing in a religion works for them, that's great -- it works for them. But the view that it's the only thing that'll fulfill people? That's when it crosses into "arrogant religious nut" territory. And, yes, I've seen that on this forum too, even if I personally like and get along with everyone on TS bar one person. Ya'll are great folks.
What you're missing from the equation is "All you need is God" because everything else you need comes packaged with.

Being part of something larger than yourself? Baked in. Socialization? Religion comes pre-packaged with a congregation of people who share most of your views and will socialize with you. Marriage? The congregation will have an available dating pool, and religious people divorce at a much lower rate than average. Family? Religious people trend towards having far more children.

The thing is it's not "all you need is the Bible." It's not a magic talisman you put on your coffee table and it blesses your house with a happy family life. The Bible contains extremely detailed instructions for how to live a fulfilling life including how to have a happy marriage, but it still requires that you carefully read it and apply what you've read to your own behavior, exercising sufficient self-discipline to keep to its instructions in spite of living in a world that hates religion. One might compare it to saying "All you need to feel good is follow this healthy regime." This is true but also glosses over that you have to carefully learn how the healthy lifestyle works and stick with that lifestyle in spite of how convenient McDonald's is.
 

DarthOne

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Preschool Teacher Leads Kids in Celebration of Non-Binary Awareness


A preschool teacher in the early childhood center at Columbia University is urging children to celebrate non-binary awareness week. As I wrote in my book, "Culture Jihad," this is what the weaponization of our classrooms looks like. Watch below.

The teacher, named Leslie, posted a video of her remarks to three-year-olds on TikTok.

She used a puppet named Rey to indoctrinate the preschoolers. Both the teacher and puppet identified themselves as non-binary people who used the pronouns "they them."

The puppet explained that a non-binary person means "well that means if you don't feel like a boy in your heart or a girl in your heart or if you feel like neither or both, you are seen, you are loved, you are you supported no matter what."

That's right, the teacher said.

"We love you for who you are no matter what you might look like on the outside. We know who you are on the inside," she said.

The puppet urged the children always "make sure you're using the right pronouns because you want to respect your friends."

The pronoun-confused duo also explained to the kids how to handle an incident of misgendering a classmate.

"I would say, 'Oh, excuse me, I see that you said she, but Leslie goes by they,'" the puppet replied.

"That is love that is what being nonbinary is about we love you we see you," the teacher said.
 

King Arts

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You know, there was a story in Old Playboy where a futuristic, Western society had homosexuality as the norm, and heterosexuality was considered deviant: All heterosexuals were given a "cure" to make them gay, and children were born basically from iron wombs.

A heterosexual couple, a man and a woman in love, were having a clandestine meeting at a bar to discuss their running away to live underground with other heterosexual couples. They were, however, caught and forcibly given the "cure".

The outrage poured in as it would've naturally in those days, and Hefner's response was basically "if it's wrong to do it to straight people, it's just as wrong to do it to gay people".

He was making a point about equality.

I agree with that in principle. No one should be discriminated against just because they're normal people who are gay, lesbian, or Bi.

Now, however, we're seeing basically the state sponsored and mandatory/enforced feminization and sexual brainwashing of children by the mentally ill at best, kiddie-fuckers and predators at the worst. Parents are persecuted for disagreeing/opposing this abuse.

Plus, Pride "parades" where degeneracy (such as flashing children, walking in fetish gear, and fucking in front of children viewing it as "beautiful") is the norm, and a hetero couple doing any of those would be arrested at best.

"We're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children!"

I get the feeling that if Hefner saw into the future back then, he would've quietly scuppered that story and his viewpoints.

It's all come to a head in the last two decades -- we went from "we just want equal rights" (agreed with) to "we want gay marriage" (okay, I've personally no real issues with that except for it being simply labelled 'marriage'), to "make the wedding cake for our flamboyant wedding or we'll destroy your business and livelihoods, bigots", and now finally, basically, "let us groom, molest, and brainwash your children or you're a bigot that'll be persecuted by the government and the mentally ill in our society, CIS hetero scum".

The slippery slope is real.
This stupid boomerism again. This kind of conservative "I just wanna grill bro!" is what led to liberalism. Honestly your ideas are the thing that lead to what you decry, because your ideology is even more illogical than the trannyglobohomos.

You basically said that there is no differance between oppressing people for being gay or straight. That is some Trudeo level idiocy on the level of "If you kill your enemies they win." No there is a difference between normal people and gay. Thinking that gay is "normal" shows how mind warped you are. The right was wrong to allow tolerance, it was a fatal mistake that it might not recover from.
 

Morphic Tide

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Like Chesterton said - those who do not belive in God,would belive in anytching.
It's just another power vacuum, not some intrinsically priviledged position. Societies all over the world functioned just fine without Christ before year zero, and in all of them before or since whenever whatever mainstream spiritual institutions they had fell into question you'd see weirdass cults crop up to fill the empty space.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
It's just another power vacuum, not some intrinsically priviledged position. Societies all over the world functioned just fine without Christ before year zero, and in all of them before or since whenever whatever mainstream spiritual institutions they had fell into question you'd see weirdass cults crop up to fill the empty space.
I'm curious what you mean by 'Just Fine.'

Because I'm recalling a lot of things like rigidly-enforced caste systems, child sacrifice, religiously-endorsed/mandated prostitution...
 

Morphic Tide

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I'm curious what you mean by 'Just Fine.'

Because I'm recalling a lot of things like rigidly-enforced caste systems, child sacrifice, religiously-endorsed/mandated prostitution...
That would be the reason for the emphasis on "functioned". The societies met their population's needs with more long-term stability than the vast majority of examples of the system the monarchists on this site push, without any hint of Christianity, and faced eerily similar social troubles when whatever their religious institutions were lost power.

Most of the differences we do see in today's weirdass cults arise from the incredibly capable materialism leading to a uniquely total rejection of the otherwordly, as opposed to the aggressive refusal of the value in understanding worldly processes the Greeks had, and very horrible tangents on Abrahamic eutopian expectations leading to the genocidal utopian maniacs, as opposed to the majority of the upper classes just pleasuring themselves into a useless stupor.

The former's parallel to Christianity in that it arose from the Deist philosophical tradition that natural law reflects the will of God and thus studying it can reveal valuable insight, as opposed to the Islamic take that it's largely irrelevant because Allah can rewrite it on the spot as needed. The transformation of Deism into Materialism separating it from Christianity proper ultimately comes down to the "God in the gaps" problem of never finding material evidence for the faith in particular.

The latter has high significance on the spelling, in that eutopia is the transliteration of the proper Greek term for "good place" whereas "utopia" was coined specifically to refer to unattainable ideals. By removing the otherworldly but feeling a need to keep the expectation of eventual paradise, you get Communists and Fascists and such who can't stand the notion of "the perfect world" being truly impossible and thus commit countless horrors failing to make it.
 

mrttao

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I'm curious what you mean by 'Just Fine.'

Because I'm recalling a lot of things like rigidly-enforced caste systems, child sacrifice, religiously-endorsed/mandated prostitution...
Few pagan societies did those. While some Christian variants also do those.
Heck, most Christian churches promote the entire LGBTQP spectrum nowadays.

I will grant you Christianity is among the nicer religions.
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
Founder
When people say this, they are making a claim about fundamental truths of reality and the human condition.

Specifically, that mankind was created for the purpose of being in relationship with God. It's usually somewhat hyperbolically stated, but the key is that this purpose is the paramount purpose, all other purposes are secondary to it.

When you say that is not true, you are making a contrary claim about the fundamental truths of reality and the human condition. I won't claim to say exactly what it is on your behalf, but it is certainly one that excludes 'mankind was created for the purpose of being in relationship with God.'


If us Christians are 'arrogant religious nuts' for making the one claim, you are just as much an 'arrogant religious nut' for making a claim that contradicts it.

The real question, of course, is which truth-claim better correlates with reality?
What you're missing from the equation is "All you need is God" because everything else you need comes packaged with.

Being part of something larger than yourself? Baked in. Socialization? Religion comes pre-packaged with a congregation of people who share most of your views and will socialize with you. Marriage? The congregation will have an available dating pool, and religious people divorce at a much lower rate than average. Family? Religious people trend towards having far more children.

The thing is it's not "all you need is the Bible." It's not a magic talisman you put on your coffee table and it blesses your house with a happy family life. The Bible contains extremely detailed instructions for how to live a fulfilling life including how to have a happy marriage, but it still requires that you carefully read it and apply what you've read to your own behavior, exercising sufficient self-discipline to keep to its instructions in spite of living in a world that hates religion. One might compare it to saying "All you need to feel good is follow this healthy regime." This is true but also glosses over that you have to carefully learn how the healthy lifestyle works and stick with that lifestyle in spite of how convenient McDonald's is.
Sorry for the late replies; to say life has been hectic is an understatement (also, having a dozen or so kittens equates a destructive force of nature. I can't believe how much they shit in litter trays. Seriously!).

I admit I didn't consider the "ready made networks" that being a member of a religion gives access to, such as social networks, and I do agree that the Bible has some good lessons as per any work of fiction like folk tales... but you can also build the same sort of networks independently without being religious, and people (including myself) have been doing that just fine all our lives (take this very sites, for example).

Also, being religious, in my book at least, is actually believing in/having faith in the religion you're part of (e.g. if Christian, you genuinely believe in God, Christ, and everything else, even if you think the Bible itself is more of a 'loose guide' or as realistic as Harry Potter (such as with hot topics like evolution versus 'creationism').
I suppose you could be, for example, considered a Christian if you grew up in a religious household/community and followed their ways/morals (like what most of the current West is built on) but didn't actually believe in God/Christ/all that jazz, but that's more a societal thing than actually being a believer, but that leads into "being Christian in name only" and all that.

Anyway, the fundamental viewpoint that man was created by the Abrahamic God for the Abrahamic God is something I and others could never agree with because it relies on what is essentially "what if?" fears and faith with zero evidence/proof, and that Christianity (and other religions) themselves are works of fiction because of their origins.
If an angel, a real, Biblical angel, descended and everyone worldwide was shown that all that religious shit was real? Well, yeah, I and others like me (the sane ones, at least) would admit we were wrong and likely develop faith/belief. But I'm willing to bet my last pound that an angel will never appear because they don't exist.

But Christianity, and indeed every other religion, can be traced back to other religions like language families can be through historical evidence/archaeology. Hell, Christianity and Islam as we know it are the bastardized offspring of several other religions and cultures, especially Judaism... which in itself is a bastardized cult from ancient Fertile Crescent religions. It's all fiction.

Hell, I see parallels between new age cults, like Scientology, and Christianity in a world-building sense -- if Scientology were created a thousand years ago instead of in the modern day, there's zero doubt in my mind that it'd be considered a religion like Islam, Christianity, et cetera now. Mormonism, for example, barely got away with it around two hundred years or so back.

So when I see (typically Americans, so yes that stereotype about your culture is true) blab on about God and Christ being all they need as a solution for the world's ills like a magical cure all, it does make me roll me eyes because they're always not talking about Christian culture/networks but blind belief/faith in a Sky Fairy. They also bring such comments up out of the blue when the ongoing conversations have zero to do with with religion, as though they were winning arguments, statements, and uncontestable facts.

If such comments were just about sticking to Christian morals and attitudes, like not being a dick to your neighbour, not being a whore, not being a degenerate and having orgies in the middle of a street, I'd actually agree with them because that is (or was, considering the last depressing few decades) the norm for Western culture and society. It's what our civilization was basically built on with the foundations being from Greece and Rome, and someone doesn't need to believe in a Sky Fairy to abide by all this.

But they're not. It's almost always the above mentioned "cure all" Sky Fairy/faith, and believing that those who don't are subhuman in some way, and even when it is about culture than belief, the line is almost always blurred with Americans, which is why you've all gained a reputation for being religious nuts.

That is arrogance; not the guy/girl not believing in a Sky Fairy or that a book of fables is a book of facts.

Fucking groomer; not much else to say except "search his hard drives".
Preschool Teacher Leads Kids in Celebration of Non-Binary Awareness

Another groomer peddling mental illness as being the norm. Fucking hell.
 

ATP

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It's just another power vacuum, not some intrinsically priviledged position. Societies all over the world functioned just fine without Christ before year zero, and in all of them before or since whenever whatever mainstream spiritual institutions they had fell into question you'd see weirdass cults crop up to fill the empty space.
Of course.But they need gods for that,gods who usually either endorsed castle system/hindu/,human sacrifices,or sometching as nice.
 

Marduk

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I admit I didn't consider the "ready made networks" that being a member of a religion gives access to, such as social networks, and I do agree that the Bible has some good lessons as per any work of fiction like folk tales... but you can also build the same sort of networks independently without being religious, and people (including myself) have been doing that just fine all our lives (take this very sites, for example).
It's one thing if you do consider it, i think a major cause of downfall of religions in the West is that the religious organizations themselves don't consider it either, which is very bad for them considering that they are the fuckers who are supposed to do it.

A lot of churches instead provide experience that i've seen very accurately described as "God's DMV". Hell, preserving the community-centric significance of churches would be hard enough in the age of disruptive technologies arising on a good day, but a lot of churches just go fuck it, what are the people gonna do, stop coming to us and giving us money, that can never happen, we don't have to do shit, we're doing them a favor if we bother to do anything at all.
 

Morphic Tide

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A lot of churches instead provide experience that i've seen very accurately described as "God's DMV". Hell, preserving the community-centric significance of churches would be hard enough in the age of disruptive technologies arising on a good day, but a lot of churches just go fuck it, what are the people gonna do, stop coming to us and giving us money, that can never happen, we don't have to do shit, we're doing them a favor if we bother to do anything at all.
I may loath many things about Christianity and its history, but the simple allowance of social dissolution from greed and apathy still saddens me.
 

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