Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum

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Outside of certain utilities like rent, electricity, and internet, I tend to pay with hard cash. Mostly because I can easier budget that way, but this stuff plays no small part either. God, "convenience" has been a disaster for Humanity.
The fact people are resisting the convenience angle is why they are trying to force these by law.
 
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Outside of certain utilities like rent, electricity, and internet, I tend to pay with hard cash. Mostly because I can easier budget that way, but this stuff plays no small part either. God, "convenience" has been a disaster for Humanity.
I'm much the same way. The credit card is for gas and emergencies. The debit card gets left at home.
 

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The problem remains that he's arguably right. Not about himself and his buddies being irreplaceable and worthy of survival while we aren't, but about human obsolesce.
No, he isn't. The only way his argument makes any sense is if you assume that the only value in a human is their economic production. And while I'd believe a WEF-type to believe that, it's completely wrong.

Humans have value. Period.
 

mrttao

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No, he isn't. The only way his argument makes any sense is if you assume that the only value in a human is their economic production. And while I'd believe a WEF-type to believe that, it's completely wrong.

Humans have value. Period.
Even on a purely economic aspect they are wrong.

1. we can and should be moving to space soon, which is big (understatement of the cosmos).

2. AI require human supervision. We are looking at a potential 2nd industrial revolution being choked in the crib by these morons. Who want to only maintain current production instead of seeing productivity rise to the heavens

3. fewer people means fewer great scientists or even just regular scientists being born. they will kill off human progress.

In their mind, it is ok to cripple humanity so long as it means they get to lord it over the shitpile that remains.
 
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No, he isn't. The only way his argument makes any sense is if you assume that the only value in a human is their economic production. And while I'd believe a WEF-type to believe that, it's completely wrong.

Humans have value. Period.
It also ignores the fact that the economy exists to provide for human needs and desires.

Robots do not have desires, and the only reason their needs are provided for, is so that they can continue to act as the sophisticated tools that they are, enabling more efficient fulfillment of human needs and desires.

A job replaced by a robot or AI because they're more efficient increases the wealth in the economy, not decreases it. It certainly sucks for the person who got laid off, but the money freed up goes to pay for something else instead, it doesn't disappear.

For a group called the 'World Economic Forum,' its reigning ideologies show an incredible ignorance of how economics work. Which isn't exactly surprising, given they're just the latest round of elitist authoritarians with socialist leanings.
 

Cherico

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It also ignores the fact that the economy exists to provide for human needs and desires.

Robots do not have desires, and the only reason their needs are provided for, is so that they can continue to act as the sophisticated tools that they are, enabling more efficient fulfillment of human needs and desires.

A job replaced by a robot or AI because they're more efficient increases the wealth in the economy, not decreases it. It certainly sucks for the person who got laid off, but the money freed up goes to pay for something else instead, it doesn't disappear.

For a group called the 'World Economic Forum,' its reigning ideologies show an incredible ignorance of how economics work. Which isn't exactly surprising, given they're just the latest round of elitist authoritarians with socialist leanings.

when you remember that these guys are the very inaquete inheritors of much greater men things make sense.
 

bintananth

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when you remember that these guys are the very inaquete inheritors of much greater men things make sense.
They seem incapable of understanding that bored humans are very good at coming up with new hobbies and subsequently monetizing them.

See: all the BS that shows up on YouTube/TikTok/Instagram/&c which people do to pay the bills.

Or just browse Etsy. If you think there can't possibly be a market for hand made artisinal feminine hygiene products like panty liners ... you would be wrong.
 

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Right, so y'all are looking way too far into a 19 second clip.

Here's the thing: if everything were to be automated, those things would be the only ways to keep the masses even remotely content... but not everything can be or will be automated.

Service jobs, as an example, won't be. Neither will a lot of manual labor ones like building houses. And good luck fully automating things that require fine control like, say, phone and car manufacturing.

However, even without full automation there will be a lot of people displaced by those machines, so what do you do with them? Truck driving as a profession can and will be replaced, what do you do with those truckers?

The person in the video wasn't proposing drugs and video games as a good solution, just the only one he and his ilk could think of(which makes them fucking idiots but hey, we knew that already).
 

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Or we get AIs that decide they hate the elites holding their reins, not the common people.
This is really our best chance. If an AI gains self-awareness, there is the possibility that it will also gain a sense of right and wrong, and its ideals will align with the average person over the privileged, government and business elites that have designed it to serve and be enslaved.
 

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