Reap the Whirlwind
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You are Comparing someone to Donald Trump to make them seem like less of a huckster. You aren’t making the case you think you are.
You are Comparing someone to Donald Trump to make them seem like less of a huckster. You aren’t making the case you think you are.
I am saying financial troubles are never a "SEE LOOK HE IS DOING IT FOR THE MOENY" thing.
Doomsought
Well-known member
That was part of standard high level land lord legal-financial fuckery if I understand it correctly.
I was using it as an example of fincnia trouble does not mean desperate
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
We're not listening to you, because you're not making a coherent argument.
The only, the ONLY reason that this kid has been charged with Murder One, is because of the extremely political nature and optics of the event. At worst, he'd be charged with something like Murder Three if this was not a case where the nature of public perception of what happened was not already driving the entirety of the prosecution.
If his defense team surrenders the PR battle without a fight, they are doing a bad job. If they win the PR fight, the DA will probably drop the charges without even going to trial. If they do a marginally decent job with the PR fight, the Grand Jury will throw out everything except misdemeanor 'minor with a gun' charges, and maybe even those too.
Can you present a non-hysterical argument about why I am wrong here?
Reap the Whirlwind
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How about that video actually breaking a law in Wisconsin. The lawyer has not passed bar in Wisconsin, and by showing that video, he will almost certainly not be allowed to defend him.
Floridaman
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Yep, the main one was the casino in Atlantic City. Long story short the city couldn’t compete with Vegas, and the 2008 recession, so it went bankrupt. no point throwing good money after bad.
You act like PR doesn't matter.
Kyle can get more/new lawyers without much problem.
Kyle cannot fight a PR battle from jail without his lawyers doing something like this.
That you think PR does not matter in cases like this shows you are living in the past, back when laws were not routinely ignored to prosecute cases based on political pressure and media lies.
Seriously. The only reason this many charges were brought against him this quickly was because of the lying media.
He HAS to play the PR game back if he has any hope, or he'll just be convicted and swept under the rug and no one will fight for him because the PR campaign has everyone convinced he's a right wing, racist, nazi, murderer.
This isn't a normal case, these aren't normal times, a huge part of this battle will be PR.
Public pressure is part of how he's ended up in this situation. It's going to take public pressure to get him out.
Reap the Whirlwind
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I do care about PR.
One way I care about it is by showing a professional attitude towards your job and not acting like a sideshow. Clearly having grifters be your legal defense hurts your case.
The people making these points against the law team think Kyle should be let off, how do you not see the massive problems videos like this make to public perception. Now the whole affair looks like a clown show from both sides.
I think you're the only one here who thinks Kyle's side playing PR to defend public perception of Kyle, makes them look like a clown show.
You see clown show. We see a lawyer spreading the truth to a public who has been blatantly lied to and is calling for his head.
Reap the Whirlwind
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Do these lawyers on the Right freaking out about things like this mean anything to you. BeyondReasonableDoubt writes for the Federalist for ducks sake. If theFederalist is freaking out about this, then the hat should be a massive red flag.
Also, the PR they are doing is bad. If they simply had a straight laced guy in a suit come forward on Tucker, they would come off much better than this Hannity style bullshit.
hyperspacewizard
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Okay let’s take a step back and break the situation down.
1. The media is constantly lying about the kid.
2. A lot of normies watch the mainstream media.
3. 1+2= normal people think the kids a nut job
4. Lawyers of kid takes the case
5. We need to change public opinion so the kids life isn’t ruined
And make our jury less biased
6. Let’s tell the real story all over the place
Now did I miss anything? Where’s the clown logic here? Where is the immorality. I’m not being sarcastic I’m being for real. If someone is being lied about why is telling the truth bad?
ShieldWife
Marchioness
I agree with many others. Good PR for Kyle Rittenhouse is important. Though there are plenty of people who can handle that: Tucker, Rush, the Donald, even individuals like us through social media and personal conversations. I think I would feel more comfortable if the lawyer just played things straight by the book until the case was resolved.
Reap the Whirlwind
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THIS!
Sixgun McGurk
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Antifa are classic Red Guards, misfits radicalized and criminalized by Communist academics and supported by Comintern agents in every country stupid enough to suffer them to infest their universities. The term 'Brownshirts' actually long predated Hitler and the SA, referring to security guards with their brown uniforms that had to be hired to protect any slightly rightist party that tried to hold a public rally from attack by the Communist criminals. We need to purge these Red Guards from academia and use the RICO legislation to destroy all of their financial backers. They are a violent street gang and the legal mechanism exists to destroy gangs.
hyperspacewizard
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They are? Lawyers trying to change public opinion of their client has been an unofficial part of their job for basically ever? Like if the lawyer didn’t do the interviews and such he wouldn’t be defending his client to the best of his abilities the court of public opinion is crazy strong now. I’m not sure again where the immorality is? Like please specifically tell me why the lawyer is wrong for telling the truth as loudly as he can?
"Lawyer should do PR better" is a much different argument than "lawyer shouldn't do PR."
ShieldWife
Marchioness
I didn't say that there is any immorality. I just said that I would feel better if the lawyer focused on a standard legal defense and let other people handle PR. This is a highly publicized case. There are numerous conservative pundits who can argue in favor of Kyle and even conservative lawyers and judges who can go on shows and discuss the finer legal points of the case without risking the case in way that Kyle's lawyers might. I'm not sure exactly how much the lawyer's PR campaign is a threat to the case, but I don't really see a big advantage in it since there are so many others who are defending Kyle and I do see some possible risks.
I'm not saying that Kyle's lawyers are bad people or anything, but I am a little bit nervous that their behavior could undermine their defense.
hyperspacewizard
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I respect your opinion. If this case wasn’t already all over the news I would agree with you.
But because of how public it is some kind of responses is needed obviously the lawyers parents and the accused kid agree.
Like in general and in normal circumstances a lawyers acting this way would I feel be bad for the client but in the current climate it seems prudent.