Mask off and shameless, gotta love it folks
Jordan Peterson or something whatever thread.
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Mask off and shameless, gotta love it folks
I haven't forgotten.
Except that doesn't matter if the problem is in the foundation of the ideology. If you have a machine that can't work because of fundamental principles, there's no way to fix it.
There's a difference between shooting someone and torturing them first. Or do we have to descend to the level of our foes to beat them?
Alas, due to the self evident statement "socialism inherently doesn't work" which obviously all socialists and communists agree with, we all deserve to die.
Mask off my mans
I never said anyone deserves to die. I believe someone can be wrong without thinking they should be punished for it.
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This thread has become a 2f violation at minimum. The Pinochet regime and related matters are a thread derail and should cease.
Quick rules confirmation, is the support for pinochet and belief that his actions in killing communists/repeating those actions moving forward kosher within the rules?
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Wait, he’s Left Wing? WTF
He calls himself a liberal, which is technically correct given that he means liberalism as the ideological trend instead of left wing.
We was thinking of running in the canadian right wing party, so he definitely isn't left wing.
he's left wing by 60's 70s standards and 80's, 90s standards and 00s standards too.
He was thinking of joining the right wing party in canada lol.
We have 4 at the federal level, all further left than the conservatives.
Stop making stuff up
Terthna
Professional Lurker
The left used to be seen as the party of liberals; their embracing of extreme authoritarianism is a recent phenomenon, one that has drastically altered the political landscape.
As for my opinion on Jordan Peterson, I think he puts too much value in religion; other than that though, I don't have any issues with what he says.
Harlock
I should have expected that really
Our friends Realm and Punch Card Girl are taking three days off from this thread to let their passions simmer down a little.
Branching off into discussion of the Pinochet regime corresponds to derailing, I would advise not re-starting that topic here. Please focus on whoever this Peterson fellow is.
Points have also been issued to some people regarding this matter.
In the future I would encourage participants to maintain their composure and keep in mind the topic of the conversation.
Branching off into discussion of the Pinochet regime corresponds to derailing, I would advise not re-starting that topic here. Please focus on whoever this Peterson fellow is.
Points have also been issued to some people regarding this matter.
In the future I would encourage participants to maintain their composure and keep in mind the topic of the conversation.
If you want to ask a rules question, make a thread in Staff Communications or Questions, Comments, & Concerns.
ProphetOfTruth
Active member
There was a time, not too long ago, that I was very (and perhaps toxically) enamored with Jordan Peterson.
I've since pulled back significantly from him and the rest of the IDW from fear that it was creating an ethical, political, and philosophical echo chamber in my life.
I also recall that it was pointed out vigorously on SpaceBattles that Peterson consistently made claims in lectures about differences in male/female propensity for hypergamy (e.g. he claims women are more inclined towards hypergamy but recent scientific literature indicates that women are no more hypergamous than men), which called into question for me the integrity of his scholarship or own personal biases. It was a strong reality check.
(He also refuses to acknowledge that white privilege exists in any form and that sociopolitical history in Western culture was at any point misogynistic. These notions, simply put, seem to run contrary to history as I understand it.)
That said, I also think his critics often go out of their way to deliberately and perhaps maliciously misinterpret his beliefs and stances despite the fact that he has posited legitimately objectionable ideas (such as the ones I mentioned).
I also think that he's an extremely enthralling speaker and a first rate intellect.
I've since pulled back significantly from him and the rest of the IDW from fear that it was creating an ethical, political, and philosophical echo chamber in my life.
I also recall that it was pointed out vigorously on SpaceBattles that Peterson consistently made claims in lectures about differences in male/female propensity for hypergamy (e.g. he claims women are more inclined towards hypergamy but recent scientific literature indicates that women are no more hypergamous than men), which called into question for me the integrity of his scholarship or own personal biases. It was a strong reality check.
(He also refuses to acknowledge that white privilege exists in any form and that sociopolitical history in Western culture was at any point misogynistic. These notions, simply put, seem to run contrary to history as I understand it.)
That said, I also think his critics often go out of their way to deliberately and perhaps maliciously misinterpret his beliefs and stances despite the fact that he has posited legitimately objectionable ideas (such as the ones I mentioned).
I also think that he's an extremely enthralling speaker and a first rate intellect.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Jordan Peterson is an interesting figure, for how polarizing he is. I'm old enough to remember what the left and right looked like in the 90's and early 00's, and he would very much have been considered left-wing back then. A bit of an oddball for a leftist, but definitely leftist.
He's extremely insightful about a lot of key issues. One of the best things I think he said was something along the lines of:
"You say you're oppressed? Well of *course* you are, *everybody* is oppressed, all in different ways!"
People tend to have this all-or-nothing perspective on 'life isn't fair and is hard' for some people, and other people just have it all good, all the time. Neither is true all the time, for anyone, outside of perhaps a couple thousand people who literally have the worst lives in the world. If you aren't in prison, if you've got a reasonably functional body and mind, then you can get out there and do something to improve your own life.
That's pretty central to the kind of message he tends to communicate, and it runs in hard counter to the intersectionalist narrative, which is why he's so villified, I think.
That society was never misogynistic? Can you source him claiming such? As in a direct quote, not something some website or another claims.
He's extremely insightful about a lot of key issues. One of the best things I think he said was something along the lines of:
"You say you're oppressed? Well of *course* you are, *everybody* is oppressed, all in different ways!"
People tend to have this all-or-nothing perspective on 'life isn't fair and is hard' for some people, and other people just have it all good, all the time. Neither is true all the time, for anyone, outside of perhaps a couple thousand people who literally have the worst lives in the world. If you aren't in prison, if you've got a reasonably functional body and mind, then you can get out there and do something to improve your own life.
That's pretty central to the kind of message he tends to communicate, and it runs in hard counter to the intersectionalist narrative, which is why he's so villified, I think.
That society was never misogynistic? Can you source him claiming such? As in a direct quote, not something some website or another claims.
ProphetOfTruth
Active member
I definitely agree with you that Peterson is generally far more nuanced in his claims than his critics are willing to represent him.
Apologies, not misogyny. Rather Peterson has claimed that he doesn't believe in the notion of historical oppression of women by men, claiming instead that all were oppressed by the miserable conditions of existence.
I'll have to dig through his various interviews and lectures, but I'll find it for you.
Greengrass
Well-known member
Peterson has some concerning views about women. For example, he's asserted that women in the workplace who wear makeup but don't want to be sexually harassed are hypocrites.