A lot of that aid was being pocketed by Hamas and company anyway, there are even videos of them outright taking trucks of aid in broad daylight. Any future replacement will need to be under physical control of people more interested in the money being spent on humanitarian aid and services rather than militant and political fight against Israel, which it isn't intended for, giving the side benefit that such future aid will be far more efficient per dollar.
Israeli-Hamas War News & Updates
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Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Hm? Nah.
What you are seeing is a totalitarian rogue state run by lunatics picking a fight they can’t win. Given how lopsided the power dynamic is in this situation, Israel has been ludicrously patient with Gaza down the years.
IndyFront
Well-known member
"Israel" and "Gaza" are not HIVEMINDS. Hamas and the UN attacked Israel, not Gaza. Indiscriminate bombardment is a war crime btw
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
By the laws of war, when someone uses hospitals, residences, etc, as military bases, they are the ones committing a war crime when you bomb said facility to destroy them/drive them out."Israel" and "Gaza" are not HIVEMINDS. Hamas and the UN attacked Israel, not Gaza. Indiscriminate bombardment is a war crime btw
Can Gaza declare independence from Hamas, and if it could, would it? It's like trying to argue that ok, Luftwaffe, Wehrmacht, SS, Kriegsmarine etc may have fought the Allies, but the Allies should not be bombing Germany indiscriminately over it."Israel" and "Gaza" are not HIVEMINDS. Hamas and the UN attacked Israel, not Gaza. Indiscriminate bombardment is a war crime btw
Which they weren't, and neither is Israel. Still, shit happens in war, so the definition of criminal degree of indiscriminate bombing is not what some people imagine it is.
IndyFront
Well-known member
The correct response would've been like what the U.S. did with OBL, airstrikes on terrorist leaders, etc. The Israeli government, who funded Hamas and set them up to attack in the first place, either that or they at best fell for Hamas' baiting of them into becoming genocidal, does not give a damn about Palestinian civilians. If you honestly believe that I've got a bridge to sell you.
I see where you're coming from but I don't think Gaza is in the same situation as Nazi Germany. For one, Nazi Germany was threatening an entire continent. They engaged in weekslong to monthslong campaigns of devastation to entire countries top to bottom, not even the elites were spared in the case of Poland. The most death Hamas could pull off at once was 1200-1400 casualties.
And so entire continent fought it. Israel is a tiny country surrounded by enemies too, existing and doing so well only on by virtue of powerful allies, superior military technology and nuclear weapons.
But what good are these things if Israel was to arbitrarily not use them against their enemies?
You think Israel would be devastated top to bottom several times over if it didn't kick the shit out of all its neighbors several times?
There is no such thing in law or custom that limits military retaliation to acts of war, just because the enemy is retarded and doesn't have a good K/D ratio, and i laugh at people who think it exists or should.
If Gaza doesn't want to be bombed, it should overthrow its crazy islamist rulers.
The problem is that a dominant portion of its population actually support such rule, however alien or outrageous the thought process behind that is to secular and humanitarian minded westerners.
They are religious zealots in a cult of martyrdom, not materialistic westerners.
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
If you think Israel is genocidal, why has the population of Gaza and the West Bank increased by integer multiples?
If Israel doesn't care about Palestinian civilians, why do they keep giving warnings and setting aside safe areas for Palestinians to evacuate to?
The propaganda you're repeating doesn't pass the most basic of logic tests.
IndyFront
Well-known member
LMAO calling facts that fly in the face of your hero worship of the Israeli government "propaganda" doesn't make it so. It would help not to get so emotionally invested in one extremist terrorist organization over another.
The IDF and Netanyahu regime have made their intentions quite clear. While not all Israelis think this way, in fact, a VAST majority of Israelis HATE the genocidal government you support, the people who control the levers of power in Israel are just as anti-Israel as Hamas when they're so willing to set up 1500 of them to be sacrificed as a carte blanche/excuse to massacre civilians en masse and commit war crimes. Targeting areas where Hamas fighters or leadership are believed to be is one thing, damn near levelling the place is quite another.So conspiracy theories, political enemies of Netanyahu in particular (some hate him for not going harder against Hamas earlier though), and typical accusations thrown against Israel since decades that somehow never really pan out.LMAO calling facts that fly in the face of your hero worship of the Israeli government "propaganda" doesn't make it so. It would help not to get so emotionally invested in one extremist terrorist organization over another.
Again, what fucking genocide? If this is genocide, how is Palestinian population one of fastest growing in the world? If you think Holocaust denialists are bad now, just imagine how common they would be if it turned out that after WW2 there were several times more Jews in Germany than before.
IndyFront
Well-known member
I've never once blanket broadbrushed Israel the way you zionists broadbrush the Palestinians into being some sort of brainwashed hivemind that needs to be exterminated and ethnic cleansed. And Fuck Netanyahu! Idgaf if that makes you mad! Get mad! I don't simp for extremist neoliberal imperialists like Netanyahu and Biden! They can all go fuck off eat shit and die! You're all literally having a fit and getting triggered and ganging up on me simply for expressing sympathy for the Palestinians, and that's really sad and contemptible.
How does that just make the bombings magically go away? Because it doesn't.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
If Israel were anywhere near as bad as its detractors believe, Palestine would be mere dust in the wind by now.
Edit: Their tolerance is almost admirable. In their position I’d have crushed Palestine into paste long ago.
Edit: Their tolerance is almost admirable. In their position I’d have crushed Palestine into paste long ago.
They aren't a hivemind but according to all data they are brainwashed as fuck.
Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign
The findings signal more difficulties for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s goal of ending Hamas’ capabilities.
apnews.com
Ironically the Palestinians who aren't getting bombed support it even harder than the denizens of Hamastan that are under their propaganda influence.
Seems like you are also brainwashed btw.
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PeaceMaker 03
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In 2023 >12,000 rockets fired into Israel by its mostly peaceful neighbors.
That has been going on for years. Mostly Israel does not retaliate, unless they take casualties.
Every rocket is an act of war, which by law can be legally justified for retaliation.
Ironic Gaza depends on Israel for electricity, water, and somewhat food. Israel would have been justified years ago at stopping all the above.
Also more ironic that the only democratic government, that treats woman as equals, and does not toss LGBQ off buildings for being LGBQ is the one committing genocide?
Oh wait sorry my Arabic is not much used anymore, sorry. Headline is “Mediterranean turned red with blood of dirty Jews”.
See I just lied, that was the name of the Facebook page that was not racist or genocidal, ( and was up for years). Although it is common to see something similar in Arab media in the area.
Targeting kids, schools, kidnapping hostages, raping your victims, etc…. Are all war crimes justified in legal reprisals.
Funny thing with reprisals, what is a justified response?
The only purpose of a reprisal is to be so violent the target will not commit more war crimes. What is a violent enough response?
I do not think any one answer exists that depends on the parties involved.
That has been going on for years. Mostly Israel does not retaliate, unless they take casualties.
Every rocket is an act of war, which by law can be legally justified for retaliation.
Ironic Gaza depends on Israel for electricity, water, and somewhat food. Israel would have been justified years ago at stopping all the above.
Also more ironic that the only democratic government, that treats woman as equals, and does not toss LGBQ off buildings for being LGBQ is the one committing genocide?
Oh wait sorry my Arabic is not much used anymore, sorry. Headline is “Mediterranean turned red with blood of dirty Jews”.
See I just lied, that was the name of the Facebook page that was not racist or genocidal, ( and was up for years). Although it is common to see something similar in Arab media in the area.
Targeting kids, schools, kidnapping hostages, raping your victims, etc…. Are all war crimes justified in legal reprisals.
Funny thing with reprisals, what is a justified response?
The only purpose of a reprisal is to be so violent the target will not commit more war crimes. What is a violent enough response?
I do not think any one answer exists that depends on the parties involved.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
So, you're attributing to me positions I don't hold, and characterizing them as radical and irrational.
First indication that you're engaged in your own fantasy, not reality.
You have no idea whether or not I support the Netanyahu government. You also have failed in any way to demonstrate that it is genocidal.It would help not to get so emotionally invested in one extremist terrorist organization over another.
Second indication that you're engaging with your fantasy projection of what other people think, rather than what other people actually think.
Repeating propaganda from genocidal anti-semites is the third indicator that you're shadow-boxing a figment of your imagination, rather than engaging with reality.
Wars are won in one of two ways:
1. Destroying the enemy's will to fight.
2. Destroying the enemy's ability to fight.
Hamas has openly and explicitly made it clear that their will to fight is not broken, that they intend to exterminate all jews from the world, and Israel is just the beginning.
Thus, you keep applying force until they either recant on this, or they're dead. Because as has been demonstrated extensively, they will go so far and so foolishly as attacking men with body-armor and guns, when they have nothing but a knife, because they hate the jews that much.
Doing otherwise is literally just waiting for them to try to kill you and everyone and everything you love again.
The Palestinians are Hamas, and Hamas are the Palestinians.They aren't a hivemind but according to all data they are brainwashed as fuck.
Come on, the October 7 attack, even with the power of hindsight after the war went on for weeks, still has more support among Palestinians than most western politicians have in their countries.
Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign
The findings signal more difficulties for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s goal of ending Hamas’ capabilities.
Ironically the Palestinians who aren't getting bombed support it even harder than the denizens of Hamastan that are under their propaganda influence.
Seems like you are also brainwashed btw.
When the initial breaches were made on October 7th, Palestinian civilians stormed through and raped, abducted, murdered, and pillaged all they could find -- even burning babies alive in ovens.
A good few hostages taken, later murdered, were by the hands of these civilians.
Even the Palestinians who sought "asylum" in Israel tweet their support for Hamas and its actions (which is backfiring as Israel is now deporting them back to the Gaza Parking Lot).
Frankly, fuck Gaza, and fuck the Palestinians. They're a death cult who indoctrinates children as soon as they can understand language to be the next crop of "freedom fighters".
Speaking of, there's even some footage of how that indoctrination looks:
If you tried to do shit like this against leftists, migrants or the like in a western country, you would have a dozen three letter agencies looking for you intensely faster than you can say oh shit.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Were I a member of the Israel Parliament, I’d finish every speech with the words “Furthermore, I consider that Palestine must be destroyed.”
They have been given so very many chances, but they are insisting on a life or death struggle with the foremost war machine in the Middle East. It’s a nationwide Darwin Award.
IndyFront
Well-known member
"Everyone who criticizes the Netanyahu regime is a genocidal antisemite!"
I literally have family that fled from the Holocaust and was raised Kabbalist you absolute troglodyte.