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Israel versus Palestine: 2021 Edition

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Such callous actions give Hamas lots of propaganda ammunition.

And it paints Israel in a terrible light, especially by the left-wingers who hate it.

I hope I don't need to remind you about the time when the trees started speaking Vietnamese.
They've been at it much longer the second Israel first started.

The Arabs were going to fuck them up in the Six Day War but that didn't work out.

I remember the Munich Massacre and how Israel responded. Operation Wrath of God. Mossad fucked a lot of the PLO and Black September like they were the Mafia.
 
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Such callous actions give Hamas lots of propaganda ammunition.
I know that you guys in the sheltered and pampered west can barely comprehend this, but there are much more important considerations than not giving an enemy ammo for propaganda. Hamas knows how to manufacture propaganda even without any excuses, believe me.

And it paints Israel in a terrible light, especially by the left-wingers who hate it.


I hope I don't need to remind you about the time when the trees started speaking Vietnamese.
Israel gives out specific warnings an hour or more before bombing. That's more than enough for me, but Israel goes even a step further than that: https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/06/07/israel-did-everything-possible-to-avoid-civilian-casualties-in-gaza-even-diverted-missiles/

There were 5 cases during the recent hostilities where Israel diverted missiles already in flight into the sea because intel was updated mid-strike, pointing at civilians in the area.
 

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Israel gives out specific warnings an hour or more before bombing. That's more than enough for me, but Israel goes even a step further than that: https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/06/07/israel-did-everything-possible-to-avoid-civilian-casualties-in-gaza-even-diverted-missiles/

There were 5 cases during the recent hostilities where Israel diverted missiles already in flight into the sea because intel was updated mid-strike, pointing at civilians in the area.
... and this sort of thing doesn't go to the papers, so to speak, due to how iron-fisted Palestinian media controls and Israeli operational security are...
 

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When i agree that cyvilian target should not be attacked,i do not belive in double standarts.If Russia,China or sometimes even USA could do that,then why not Israel?
I only want the same right for Poland,if we ever need it.
 

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When i agree that cyvilian target should not be attacked,i do not belive in double standarts.If Russia,China or sometimes even USA could do that,then why not Israel?
When Americans firebomb cities or drone strike weddings, the flagrant civilian casualties are brushed off as "collateral damage" as if that excuses them from moral culpability. Nobody ever points out civilian casualties unless it's someone you don't like who did it. And a lot of people don't like Israel.

So far it seems like the IDF are near saints. Also seems weird to focus on the civilian casualties that the IDF do cause... when their enemies cause way, way more. But that would ruin the narrative.
 

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New poll in Israel (for now only Hebrew sources).

Question: Who won the last round of fighting (Israel or Hamas)?
50% - nobody
35% - Israel
9% - Hamas

Question: Was Operation Guardian of the Walls (the 2021 Gaza operation) more successful from the Israeli perspective than Operation Protective Edge (the 2014 Gaza operation)?

51% - the 2021 operation
9% - the 2014 operation
23% - both are not successful

More interesting data:

90% support the assassination of Hamas commanders between operations (i.e. not as part of a round of fighting, but at any time)

76% support blocking Qatari financial aid to Gaza

74% support blocking supplies of building materials and steel to Gaza

82% believe there is no possibility of a diplomatic or political solution to Hamas, and only a complete military defeat can end the Hamas threat to Israel.

68% believe the operation ended too soon and the attacks on Hamas should have continued further

74% believe the government made the right decision by not engaging with ground forces (my interpretation: Israelis believe bombing from the air is sufficient at this stage)

16% believe that a ground operation is essential to reach the goal of breaking Hamas completely (supports my interpretation above)

Please tell me more about how the situation with Gaza is analogous to America in Vietnam, clueless propagandists.
 
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Hey, would you look at that? An EU investigation has found wonderful texts in Palestinian schoolbooks, such as:

A physics book demonstrating Newton's laws by using a Palestinian shooting stones from a slingshot at Israeli soldiers.

A terrorist that killed 38 Israeli civilians, 13 of them children, when she hijacked a bus, is the only Palestinian woman of note to appear anywhere in the textbooks.

History books that claim all archeological digs in Jerusalem that unearth artifacts with ancient Jewish symbols on them (and there are many) were "planted" by the Zionists and are fake.

Glorification of terrorists that killed Israeli civilians all throughout.

Etc etc.

The catch? The reports was LEAKED. The EU didn't actually published its findings. The executive summary of the EU report claims that it adhers to the "UNESCO standard" despite all these examples (which the summary glosses over). Only after it was leaked they were forced to make a statement that "they take this report seriously" and "will act on its findings" and that they "unequivocally oppose antisemitism". Oops. Not surprising, since the EU pays much of the salaries of Palestinian teachers, and pays for publishing the textbooks as well.

A truly impartial mediator in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, right?
 

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Yet another example why the EU is garbage and must be destroyed.
Why bother ? all european countries need new generation to pay emeritures of old people.Since it s not enough people still working,system would fall about 2030.Countries could survive or not,but UE is doomed.
 

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The catch? The reports was LEAKED. The EU didn't actually published its findings.
Of course it doesn't. That reaches into the very causes why the EU takes the positions on the conflict that it does, while in practical terms it doesn't have a proverbial dog in this fight. It is a way to appeal to "Arab street" in other countries for diplomatic purposes, while also placating own islamic and far left minorities, at very little cost to themselves beyond the money involved, which isn't big for EU's scale. So, long story short, its all for the sake of appearances. The report damages the charitable/humanitarian appearance of this initiative, hence it was hidden.
 

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interviews with Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas leader of Gaza about his reaction to the ceasefire.
Yep, the "big winners" wanted a ceasefire all along, as he admits. They though they could just fire off a few rockets and get a slap on the wrist in return, just like Hezbollah in 2006 though it could just kill and kidnap a patrol of Israeli soldiers to use as bargaining chips. Sorry, that's not how that works.
 

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Yep, the "big winners" wanted a ceasefire all along, as he admits. They though they could just fire off a few rockets and get a slap on the wrist in return, just like Hezbollah in 2006 though it could just kill and kidnap a patrol of Israeli soldiers to use as bargaining chips. Sorry, that's not how that works.
To be fair, they had a lot of backing from western nations, and a new American president who seemed very keen on doing the opposite of everything his Israel-supporting predecessor did; so from their perspective, it probably looked like a sure thing. How were they supposed to know that their allies didn't have an answer to Israel not giving a crap about their toothless condemnations?
 

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To be fair, they had a lot of backing from western nations, and a new American president who seemed very keen on doing the opposite of everything his Israel-supporting predecessor did; so from their perspective, it probably looked like a sure thing. How were they supposed to know that their allies didn't have an answer to Israel not giving a crap about their toothless condemnations?
I think they also over-estimated Biden's willingness to throw Israel to the wind. They expected him to behave like Ilhan Omar or something, in reality what we got is better support for Israel than Obama.
 

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I think they also over-estimated Biden's willingness to throw Israel to the wind. They expected him to behave like Ilhan Omar or something, in reality what we got is better support for Israel than Obama.
Honestly, I was expecting him to do that too. It seemed like a no-brainer that the Biden administration would denounce Israel and levy sanctions against them.
 

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When Americans firebomb cities or drone strike weddings, the flagrant civilian casualties are brushed off as "collateral damage" as if that excuses them from moral culpability. Nobody ever points out civilian casualties unless it's someone you don't like who did it. And a lot of people don't like Israel.
There *are* aspects where IDF tactics are relatively aggressive. Their use of missile counterstrikes against *constant* rocket artillery strikes by Hamas, is absolutely not one of those, outside of highly biased media accounts.

So far it seems like the IDF are near saints. Also seems weird to focus on the civilian casualties that the IDF do cause... when their enemies cause way, way more.
Civilian casualties in Israel are way, way down ever since they installed Iron Dome; that system is very, very effective. On the other hand, saying that the rocket artillery strikes "don't really count" because they were intercepted is BS of the highest order. We don't hold any other self defense to that standard.
 

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There *are* aspects where IDF tactics are relatively aggressive. Their use of missile counterstrikes against *constant* rocket artillery strikes by Hamas, is absolutely not one of those, outside of highly biased media accounts.

Civilian casualties in Israel are way, way down ever since they installed Iron Dome; that system is very, very effective. On the other hand, saying that the rocket artillery strikes "don't really count" because they were intercepted is BS of the highest order. We don't hold any other self defense to that standard.
By the standards some people judge Israel if a man breaks into your house and shoots you several times, but you're wearing a bulletproof best that stops the first couple of rounds and the third is just a flesh wound, you're a murderer if you shoot back and kill him.
 

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By the standards some people judge Israel if a man breaks into your house and shoots you several times, but you're wearing a bulletproof best that stops the first couple of rounds and the third is just a flesh wound, you're a murderer if you shoot back and kill him.
My point exactly, yes. The media also talks down Hamas rocket attacks as if they're harmless nuisance fireworks or Estes toys -- they are nothing of the sort.
 

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I think they also over-estimated Biden's willingness to throw Israel to the wind. They expected him to behave like Ilhan Omar or something, in reality what we got is better support for Israel than Obama.
Indeed.He throw Poland to Russia and could throw Japan to China,but Israel? most of americans jews vote for leftist,why they should abadonn them?
 
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