What If? Interesting ASB Elections

[Zyobot]

I made my prediction based on the 1952 or even 1972 electorate. Based on the current electorate, McGovern should perform much better, especially due to the much higher minority percentage among the US population nowadays. I would expect McGovern to get maybe 150-200 electoral votes with the present-day electorate?

Not to mention how there's a larger "democratic-socialist" faction in the Democratic Party, too.

Moreover, both candidates would have to revise and repackage their platforms for a twenty-first century electorate, as well as let the "already-settled" issues they argued passionately over in their own times go and move on. Speaking of which, wasn't there something about Taft opposing the recognition of Alaska and Hawaii as states? If so, I assume he'd swap that out for opposing Puerto Rican statehood.

 

[WolfBear]

Speaking of which, wasn't there something about Taft opposing the recognition of Alaska and Hawaii as states? If so, I assume he'd swap that out for opposing Puerto Rican statehood.

Maybe; not sure. And Yes, Yes, he would.

 

[Zyobot]

'Barry Goldwater (1964) Vs. Walter Mondale (1984)'.

 

[WolfBear]

'Barry Goldwater (1964) Vs. Walter Mondale (1984)'.

Mondale wins in a landslide with the 1964 electorate. With the 1984 electorate, much tougher call. I suspect that Goldwater would win, but if he sticks to his previous position on the 1964 Civil Rights Act (he opposed it), then his victory in 1984 should be much narrower than Reagan's was.

 

[Zyobot]

Mondale wins in a landslide with the 1964 electorate. With the 1984 electorate, much tougher call. I suspect that Goldwater would win, but if he sticks to his previous position on the 1964 Civil Rights Act (he opposed it), then his victory in 1984 should be much narrower than Reagan's was.

Fair, though I suppose I was running with the default assumption that it’s a modern electorate. (Which I should’ve clarified in my initial post, but whatever.)

 

[WolfBear]

Fair, though I suppose I was running with the default assumption that it’s a modern electorate. (Which I should’ve clarified in my initial post, but whatever.)

With a modern electorate, Mondale should win since Goldwater is nowhere near Woke enough.

 

[Zyobot]

With a modern electorate, Mondale should win since Goldwater is nowhere near Woke enough.

I suppose his opposition to the Civil Rights Act will tank his campaign, as well as his flirtation with using tactical nukes to win when conventional warfare can’t?

 

[WolfBear]

I suppose his opposition to the Civil Rights Act will tank his campaign, as well as his flirtation with using tactical nukes to win when conventional warfare can’t?

Yep. He's like a mix of Donald Trump and Neil Kumar!

 

[Zyobot]

Yep. He's like a mix of Donald Trump and Neil Kumar!

Huh. Alright, then.

‘Jimmy Carter (1976) Vs. George W. Bush (2000)’. Again, I’m presuming a modern electorate here.

 

[WolfBear]

Huh. Alright, then.

‘Jimmy Carter (1976) Vs. George W. Bush (2000)’. Again, I’m presuming a modern electorate here.

Both would be denounced as vehemently homophobic bigots, though I suppose the fact that Dick Cheney's daughter is gay should help Bush a bit if he's actually willing to acknowledge it. I suspect that Carter will be able to hold onto more of his base relative to Bush, though. Nowadays, I suspect that a lot of Republicans don't like Bush for his cuckservatism with his amnesty, tax cuts, and foreign wars.

 

[Zyobot]

Both would be denounced as vehemently homophobic bigots, though I suppose the fact that Dick Cheney's daughter is gay should help Bush a bit if he's actually willing to acknowledge it. I suspect that Carter will be able to hold onto more of his base relative to Bush, though. Nowadays, I suspect that a lot of Republicans don't like Bush for his cuckservatism with his amnesty, tax cuts, and foreign wars.

He also campaigned on ending foreign entanglements as Candidate Bush… only to renege on that completely as President Bush. That’s a big about-face he’ll be grilled on by the press and the public, though I suppose his excuse will be that 9/11 forced his other self to take “drastic action” that no one could’ve seen coming beforehand.

 

[WolfBear]

He also campaigned on ending foreign entanglements as Candidate Bush… only to renege on that completely as President Bush. That’s a big about-face he’ll be grilled on by the press and the public, though I suppose his excuse will be that 9/11 forced his other self to take “drastic action” that no one could’ve seen coming beforehand.

I think that Bush will, you know, get blame for failing to prevent 9/11 itself as well as for dragging the country into two foreign wars which the US got little out of. Carter at least didn't drag us into any foreign wars, though he was rather ineffectual in regards to the Iran hostage crisis. He could at least claim credit for appointing Paul Volcker and thus paving the way to ending hyperinflation, though.

 

[Atarlost]

I think that Bush will, you know, get blame for failing to prevent 9/11 itself as well as for dragging the country into two foreign wars which the US got little out of. Carter at least didn't drag us into any foreign wars, though he was rather ineffectual in regards to the Iran hostage crisis. He could at least claim credit for appointing Paul Volcker and thus paving the way to ending hyperinflation, though.

I don't think Bush would get a lot of blame for failing to prevent 9/11. There's very little he could have done other than maybe drumming up jingoism over the USS Cole bombing and launching the war then. The modern TSA simply wouldn't fly on 9/10. I'm pretty sure It was Clinton or someone in his state department who refused when the Taliban offered to extradite Bin Ladin in a fit of insecurity.

That said, he's very unpopular with Trump Republicans.

 

[Zyobot]

I don't think Bush would get a lot of blame for failing to prevent 9/11. There's very little he could have done other than maybe drumming up jingoism over the USS Cole bombing and launching the war then. The modern TSA simply wouldn't fly on 9/10. I'm pretty sure It was Clinton or someone in his state department who refused when the Taliban offered to extradite Bin Ladin in a fit of insecurity.

That said, he's very unpopular with Trump Republicans.

Understandable.

Now what about Carter and the Democrats? Just spitballing right now, I think they’d haggle him over being “too far-right” on abortion, deregulation, and possibly gay marriage (depending on how well he can adapt his answer over avoid talking about it altogether, anyway). Never mind how ineffectual his actual presidency was, so he may need to denounce his older self as a policymaker and vow to do things differently, if he’s to start anew. However, I agree with &WolfBear that he’d hold together a bit more of his base than Bush, but that’s not saying much and doesn’t lend itself to a blowout victory on Election Night.

 

[WolfBear]

I don't think Bush would get a lot of blame for failing to prevent 9/11. There's very little he could have done other than maybe drumming up jingoism over the USS Cole bombing and launching the war then. The modern TSA simply wouldn't fly on 9/10. I'm pretty sure It was Clinton or someone in his state department who refused when the Taliban offered to extradite Bin Ladin in a fit of insecurity.

That said, he's very unpopular with Trump Republicans.

What about increasing airport security and doing racial profiling of anyone who looked Middle Eastern? AFAIK, Bush opposed racial profiling because it was racist, but the question that should have been asked was whether there was any equally effective alternative to racial profiling.

 

[WolfBear]

Understandable.

Now what about Carter and the Democrats? Just spitballing right now, I think they’d haggle him over being “too far-right” on abortion, deregulation, and possibly gay marriage (depending on how well he can adapt his answer over avoid talking about it altogether, anyway). Never mind how ineffectual his actual presidency was, so he may need to denounce his older self as a policymaker and vow to do things differently, if he’s to start anew. However, I agree with &WolfBear that he’d hold together a bit more of his base than Bush, but that’s not saying much and doesn’t lend itself to a blowout victory on Election Night.

On same-sex marriage, Carter could claim that he had a "Come to Jesus" moment. Abortion could be a bit harder since Carter is a devout Christian.

Agreed that it will not be a landslide for Carter.

'Samuel Tilden (1876) vs. Zachary Taylor (1848)'

 

[Zyobot]

'Bill Clinton (1996) Vs. Gerald Ford (1976)'.

As I said before, both are given two years to prepare and are trying to win over a modern electorate.

 

[WolfBear]

'Bill Clinton (1996) Vs. Gerald Ford (1976)'.

As I said before, both are given two years to prepare and are trying to win over a modern electorate.

Both would be denounced as viscerally homophobic, et cetera, no doubt, but still, I think that Clinton would win since the GOP base would be depressed even more due to Ford being pro-choice. Still, it's going to be record-low turnout either way since a lot of Democrats aren't going to like the fact that 1996 Bill Clinton was insufficiently Woke, especially on things such as welfare reform, criminal justice, et cetera.

 

[Zyobot]

Both would be denounced as viscerally homophobic, et cetera, no doubt, but still, I think that Clinton would win since the GOP base would be depressed even more due to Ford being pro-choice. Still, it's going to be record-low turnout either way since a lot of Democrats aren't going to like the fact that 1996 Bill Clinton was insufficiently Woke, especially on things such as welfare reform, criminal justice, et cetera.

"Monicka Lewinsky has entered the chat."

 

[WolfBear]

*Monicka Lewinsky has entered the chat.*

Oh, Yeah, Bill Clinton is likely going to get #MeToo'd as well! But I suspect that he'd still win. He might get some GOP immigration hawks to vote for him, especially considering that Ford admitted Vietnamese refugees into the US in huge numbers. Though Vietnamese refugees are relatively conservatives to my knowledge, so maybe they'll cut Ford some lack for this.