Impeachment

CarlManvers2019 said:
What's their opinion on Ben Shapiro and Kanye West? I think if they ever find the Right to be increasingly or surprisingly diverse, they will just say they're a minority(ironic)and not the majority or that they're exceptions or "Uncle Toms"
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No idea on Kanye but IIRC they had disparaging things to say about Mr Shapiro.

Next year is going to be an... interesting, in the Chinese sense of the word, time for SB. And hilarious for those not inside a Leftist bubble.
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
What's their opinion on Ben Shapiro and Kanye West? I think if they ever find the Right to be increasingly or surprisingly diverse, they will just say they're a minority(ironic)and not the majority or that they're exceptions or "Uncle Toms"
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SB has been forced to apply their own standards and ban people who called other people "uncle toms" in the past.
 
Spartan303 said:
They did, because Republicans didnt come out to vote. This happens nearly every time. Republicans win big and need to maintain it yet they either get apathetic or lazy and dont maintain. Then Democrats get in power and do things to piss them off. Rinse and repeat. And believe me, the Republican base is pissed.

So they're well motivated to make the Democrats hurt. And when even CNN and MSNBC polls and their corporate shills start saying that Trump is going to win. Well...the only option they see available to them is Impeachment. Because actually swallowing some humble pie, doing a little soul searching and rebuilding a new party message is apparently unthinkable.
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No, there were a lot of things that caused the Republicans to lose the House.

  1. Trump appeared scary. A day did not go by that some mainstream media piece didn't publish something about social disorder from riots over his victory, supposed treason via the Russian Probe, the rise of white racists via Charlottesville, alleged sexual affairs in regards to Stormy Daniels (which built off his hot mic from 2016 and supposed sexual assaults), constantly launching verbal attacks on NATO members, launching two missile strikes in Syria (which supposedly would put us at war with the Russians--the very people he's apparently a puppet of), nuclear escalation by threatening to tear up the Iran Nuclear Deal, and a literal nuclear pissing match with the leader of North Korea, which lead to actual naval deployments and nuclear test missiles being fired over Japan.
  2. Trump appeared incompetent. Within the first two years of his presidency, his entire administration was leaking--most of which were easily discredited rumors (though they were given major headlines in every news agency broadcast), but gave the appearance of unprofessional control. Said leaks also insisted on corruption and incompetence within the administration. Which was then followed by numerous dismissals and resignations over the next two years, ranging from lower level civil servants and appointments to big names.
  3. ACA reform failed in the Republican House and Senate. Repeatedly. The Reform was heavily expected by the Midlanders and Yankees, who had hoped that Trump would provide them with a comprehensive, affordable health insurance system as opposed to the one that Obama had given them.
  4. Various Republican sex scandals coming to light during 2017.
  5. Very contentious SCOTUS appointments.

All of these contributed to the public not wanting Trump to have full control of all three branches of government. Trump might have even of lost the Senate had not that particular round happened to favor Republicans. Trump was at his weakest and most vulnerable then and had he'd lost the senate, we'd be discussing an actual serious impeachment leading to possible conviction (even if it would still be unlikely--the appearance of a majority vote, even if lacking the super-majority needed would have been a hard blow).

Trump is now moving towards high strength. The momentum for him has been building since the Russian Probe was not only ended, but proven to be a joke. If Trump isn't a genius, then he has the Devil's Luck.

  1. The Russian Probe imploded, with evidence coming to light of biased--not just biased, but horribly unprofessional behavior on part of FBI agents (from how they treated the suspect to an actual affair by two married individuals), to horrible abuse of the court systems to push the investigation through, to horrible abuse of the legal code to continue the investigation, and a nice topping of unprofessional leaks of a private investigation to media outlets that put the country on edge for years.
  2. The Border is coming under control. After two to three years of ICE raids, a year of heavy coverage on massive caravans moving north, and rising criminal elements coming to light--and even after a massive DNC and media blitz to portray those same people as victims and obstructing the border wall funding, Trump is building the border wall and even working with Mexico to stop the flow at their border. The Border Immigration issue either wasn't working with voters or was more or less resolved, because it's been months since any major coverage was given.
  3. Trade is good. The new USMCA was well on track and even after Impeaching the guy who made it possible, the House passed it. The Senate will undoubtedly confirm it. We also have coming trade deals with South Korea, Japan, Australia, and probably the UK.
  4. World chaos has made the US appear safe and sound by comparison. The Middle East is getting ready to explode in an orgy of violence. China, once a major player that everyone believed would overtake the US--even pressed by some on the left as being the rightful next upcomer--has been proven to be a paper tiger. Worse, they've been revealed to be horribly tyrannical in their oppression of local Muslims and their policies on Hong Kong. The EU, once portrayed as a rising peer of the US and far more *ahem* sophisticated, has has their reputation tarnished by Brexit, the Yellow Vests, an inability to cope with illegal immigration, an inability to check Russia, an inability to take up America's mantle, and with growing terrorist attacks that have defaced or destroyed landmarks. With nationalism within their member states on the rise.
  5. The economy is good. Between Trump victories on trade deals, his various trade wars, his ruthless gutting of the EPA, and the economic downturns of the rest of the world, Trump is looking smart and capable on trade. Jobs are opening up. Minimum wages are getting a few dollars higher.
  6. The 2018 House run may have resulted in DNC domination, but it also represented an Orange wave within the RNC's ranks. With the exception of one or two Republican representatives, all Never-Trumpers lost their seats or didn't run. Same with the available Senate seats. The Republican party is beginning to form the bedrock of a strong coalition that can maintain itself even after he leaves.
  7. Trump has purged a great deal of enemies within his party and administration that were causing problems. You get less leaks, you get less drama, and you get more results. This makes it appear less like Trump was incompetent and more likely that he was being obstructed--and his narrative will be that it was the swamp.
  8. The DNC has ceased to be a functioning party. The three factions are gearing up for a civil war. Although I don't expect most of them are consciously aware of it, they're waiting for 2020 to prove their coalition is not capable of functioning. And in so doing so, they are moving at cross purposes. Because of this, Trump can force an action by one faction by provoking the other two. For those wondering; I believe those factions are the far left, the center, and the neo-liberals. The center is the prize they fight over, while the far left and the neo-liberals are the ones hoping to gain leadership.
  9. Weak DNC presidential field. This goes back to the three-way split in the party. The Neo-Liberals are experienced enough to know that they need to be able to appeal not just to the center of their party, but to the center of the country. That requires a candidate who can make good, alternative offers to Trump. That leaves them with Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden. Warren has had her day in the rain dance and now it's over; she got her shit shoved in by Gabard and Buttigie in the debates. That only leaves Joe Biden as the only contender who can possibly appeal to the left's center and the American center as a whole. And Joe Biden has been shown to be so weak and his son such a fuck-up, that he's not going to win. The far left wanted Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders, but were split. Harris was a poster child for the far left's ideals, but the communists and greens in the party preferred Warren and Biden over her--and after several bad debates and an inability to blow the cameraman for charisma, she tanked.
  10. Trump has confirmed two SCOTUS judges and approaching two hundred confirmed federal judges.
  11. Trump's black friends and supporters have been given a great deal of hate, which has led to a possible fracture point within the black vote. If it cracks (and it may not, but it may), the DNC could have a meltdown. Not necessarily because of voting results directly, but rather of having the narrative of the DNC being the designated champion of black people demolished would send the far left into an ideological crises. Expect more Uncle Tom accusations to fly around the internet.
 
The Original Sixth said:
No, there were a lot of things that caused the Republicans to lose the House.

  1. Trump appeared scary. A day did not go by that some mainstream media piece didn't publish something about social disorder from riots over his victory, supposed treason via the Russian Probe, the rise of white racists via Charlottesville, alleged sexual affairs in regards to Stormy Daniels (which built off his hot mic from 2016 and supposed sexual assaults), constantly launching verbal attacks on NATO members, launching two missile strikes in Syria (which supposedly would put us at war with the Russians--the very people he's apparently a puppet of), nuclear escalation by threatening to tear up the Iran Nuclear Deal, and a literal nuclear pissing match with the leader of North Korea, which lead to actual naval deployments and nuclear test missiles being fired over Japan.
  2. Trump appeared incompetent. Within the first two years of his presidency, his entire administration was leaking--most of which were easily discredited rumors (though they were given major headlines in every news agency broadcast), but gave the appearance of unprofessional control. Said leaks also insisted on corruption and incompetence within the administration. Which was then followed by numerous dismissals and resignations over the next two years, ranging from lower level civil servants and appointments to big names.
  3. ACA reform failed in the Republican House and Senate. Repeatedly. The Reform was heavily expected by the Midlanders and Yankees, who had hoped that Trump would provide them with a comprehensive, affordable health insurance system as opposed to the one that Obama had given them.
  4. Various Republican sex scandals coming to light during 2017.
  5. Very contentious SCOTUS appointments.

All of these contributed to the public not wanting Trump to have full control of all three branches of government. Trump might have even of lost the Senate had not that particular round happened to favor Republicans. Trump was at his weakest and most vulnerable then and had he'd lost the senate, we'd be discussing an actual serious impeachment leading to possible conviction (even if it would still be unlikely--the appearance of a majority vote, even if lacking the super-majority needed would have been a hard blow).

Trump is now moving towards high strength. The momentum for him has been building since the Russian Probe was not only ended, but proven to be a joke. If Trump isn't a genius, then he has the Devil's Luck.

  1. The Russian Probe imploded, with evidence coming to light of biased--not just biased, but horribly unprofessional behavior on part of FBI agents (from how they treated the suspect to an actual affair by two married individuals), to horrible abuse of the court systems to push the investigation through, to horrible abuse of the legal code to continue the investigation, and a nice topping of unprofessional leaks of a private investigation to media outlets that put the country on edge for years.
  2. The Border is coming under control. After two to three years of ICE raids, a year of heavy coverage on massive caravans moving north, and rising criminal elements coming to light--and even after a massive DNC and media blitz to portray those same people as victims and obstructing the border wall funding, Trump is building the border wall and even working with Mexico to stop the flow at their border. The Border Immigration issue either wasn't working with voters or was more or less resolved, because it's been months since any major coverage was given.
  3. Trade is good. The new USMCA was well on track and even after Impeaching the guy who made it possible, the House passed it. The Senate will undoubtedly confirm it. We also have coming trade deals with South Korea, Japan, Australia, and probably the UK.
  4. World chaos has made the US appear safe and sound by comparison. The Middle East is getting ready to explode in an orgy of violence. China, once a major player that everyone believed would overtake the US--even pressed by some on the left as being the rightful next upcomer--has been proven to be a paper tiger. Worse, they've been revealed to be horribly tyrannical in their oppression of local Muslims and their policies on Hong Kong. The EU, once portrayed as a rising peer of the US and far more *ahem* sophisticated, has has their reputation tarnished by Brexit, the Yellow Vests, an inability to cope with illegal immigration, an inability to check Russia, an inability to take up America's mantle, and with growing terrorist attacks that have defaced or destroyed landmarks. With nationalism within their member states on the rise.
  5. The economy is good. Between Trump victories on trade deals, his various trade wars, his ruthless gutting of the EPA, and the economic downturns of the rest of the world, Trump is looking smart and capable on trade. Jobs are opening up. Minimum wages are getting a few dollars higher.
  6. The 2018 House run may have resulted in DNC domination, but it also represented an Orange wave within the RNC's ranks. With the exception of one or two Republican representatives, all Never-Trumpers lost their seats or didn't run. Same with the available Senate seats. The Republican party is beginning to form the bedrock of a strong coalition that can maintain itself even after he leaves.
  7. Trump has purged a great deal of enemies within his party and administration that were causing problems. You get less leaks, you get less drama, and you get more results. This makes it appear less like Trump was incompetent and more likely that he was being obstructed--and his narrative will be that it was the swamp.
  8. The DNC has ceased to be a functioning party. The three factions are gearing up for a civil war. Although I don't expect most of them are consciously aware of it, they're waiting for 2020 to prove their coalition is not capable of functioning. And in so doing so, they are moving at cross purposes. Because of this, Trump can force an action by one faction by provoking the other two. For those wondering; I believe those factions are the far left, the center, and the neo-liberals. The center is the prize they fight over, while the far left and the neo-liberals are the ones hoping to gain leadership.
  9. Weak DNC presidential field. This goes back to the three-way split in the party. The Neo-Liberals are experienced enough to know that they need to be able to appeal not just to the center of their party, but to the center of the country. That requires a candidate who can make good, alternative offers to Trump. That leaves them with Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden. Warren has had her day in the rain dance and now it's over; she got her shit shoved in by Gabard and Buttigie in the debates. That only leaves Joe Biden as the only contender who can possibly appeal to the left's center and the American center as a whole. And Joe Biden has been shown to be so weak and his son such a fuck-up, that he's not going to win. The far left wanted Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders, but were split. Harris was a poster child for the far left's ideals, but the communists and greens in the party preferred Warren and Biden over her--and after several bad debates and an inability to blow the cameraman for charisma, she tanked.
  10. Trump has confirmed two SCOTUS judges and approaching two hundred confirmed federal judges.
  11. Trump's black friends and supporters have been given a great deal of hate, which has led to a possible fracture point within the black vote. If it cracks (and it may not, but it may), the DNC could have a meltdown. Not necessarily because of voting results directly, but rather of having the narrative of the DNC being the designated champion of black people demolished would send the far left into an ideological crises. Expect more Uncle Tom accusations to fly around the internet.
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You make some very good points I hadn't considered. Thank you.
 
The Original Sixth said:
No, there were a lot of things that caused the Republicans to lose the House.

  1. Trump appeared scary. A day did not go by that some mainstream media piece didn't publish something about social disorder from riots over his victory, supposed treason via the Russian Probe, the rise of white racists via Charlottesville, alleged sexual affairs in regards to Stormy Daniels (which built off his hot mic from 2016 and supposed sexual assaults), constantly launching verbal attacks on NATO members, launching two missile strikes in Syria (which supposedly would put us at war with the Russians--the very people he's apparently a puppet of), nuclear escalation by threatening to tear up the Iran Nuclear Deal, and a literal nuclear pissing match with the leader of North Korea, which lead to actual naval deployments and nuclear test missiles being fired over Japan.
  2. Trump appeared incompetent. Within the first two years of his presidency, his entire administration was leaking--most of which were easily discredited rumors (though they were given major headlines in every news agency broadcast), but gave the appearance of unprofessional control. Said leaks also insisted on corruption and incompetence within the administration. Which was then followed by numerous dismissals and resignations over the next two years, ranging from lower level civil servants and appointments to big names.
  3. ACA reform failed in the Republican House and Senate. Repeatedly. The Reform was heavily expected by the Midlanders and Yankees, who had hoped that Trump would provide them with a comprehensive, affordable health insurance system as opposed to the one that Obama had given them.
  4. Various Republican sex scandals coming to light during 2017.
  5. Very contentious SCOTUS appointments.

All of these contributed to the public not wanting Trump to have full control of all three branches of government. Trump might have even of lost the Senate had not that particular round happened to favor Republicans. Trump was at his weakest and most vulnerable then and had he'd lost the senate, we'd be discussing an actual serious impeachment leading to possible conviction (even if it would still be unlikely--the appearance of a majority vote, even if lacking the super-majority needed would have been a hard blow).

Trump is now moving towards high strength. The momentum for him has been building since the Russian Probe was not only ended, but proven to be a joke. If Trump isn't a genius, then he has the Devil's Luck.

  1. The Russian Probe imploded, with evidence coming to light of biased--not just biased, but horribly unprofessional behavior on part of FBI agents (from how they treated the suspect to an actual affair by two married individuals), to horrible abuse of the court systems to push the investigation through, to horrible abuse of the legal code to continue the investigation, and a nice topping of unprofessional leaks of a private investigation to media outlets that put the country on edge for years.
  2. The Border is coming under control. After two to three years of ICE raids, a year of heavy coverage on massive caravans moving north, and rising criminal elements coming to light--and even after a massive DNC and media blitz to portray those same people as victims and obstructing the border wall funding, Trump is building the border wall and even working with Mexico to stop the flow at their border. The Border Immigration issue either wasn't working with voters or was more or less resolved, because it's been months since any major coverage was given.
  3. Trade is good. The new USMCA was well on track and even after Impeaching the guy who made it possible, the House passed it. The Senate will undoubtedly confirm it. We also have coming trade deals with South Korea, Japan, Australia, and probably the UK.
  4. World chaos has made the US appear safe and sound by comparison. The Middle East is getting ready to explode in an orgy of violence. China, once a major player that everyone believed would overtake the US--even pressed by some on the left as being the rightful next upcomer--has been proven to be a paper tiger. Worse, they've been revealed to be horribly tyrannical in their oppression of local Muslims and their policies on Hong Kong. The EU, once portrayed as a rising peer of the US and far more *ahem* sophisticated, has has their reputation tarnished by Brexit, the Yellow Vests, an inability to cope with illegal immigration, an inability to check Russia, an inability to take up America's mantle, and with growing terrorist attacks that have defaced or destroyed landmarks. With nationalism within their member states on the rise.
  5. The economy is good. Between Trump victories on trade deals, his various trade wars, his ruthless gutting of the EPA, and the economic downturns of the rest of the world, Trump is looking smart and capable on trade. Jobs are opening up. Minimum wages are getting a few dollars higher.
  6. The 2018 House run may have resulted in DNC domination, but it also represented an Orange wave within the RNC's ranks. With the exception of one or two Republican representatives, all Never-Trumpers lost their seats or didn't run. Same with the available Senate seats. The Republican party is beginning to form the bedrock of a strong coalition that can maintain itself even after he leaves.
  7. Trump has purged a great deal of enemies within his party and administration that were causing problems. You get less leaks, you get less drama, and you get more results. This makes it appear less like Trump was incompetent and more likely that he was being obstructed--and his narrative will be that it was the swamp.
  8. The DNC has ceased to be a functioning party. The three factions are gearing up for a civil war. Although I don't expect most of them are consciously aware of it, they're waiting for 2020 to prove their coalition is not capable of functioning. And in so doing so, they are moving at cross purposes. Because of this, Trump can force an action by one faction by provoking the other two. For those wondering; I believe those factions are the far left, the center, and the neo-liberals. The center is the prize they fight over, while the far left and the neo-liberals are the ones hoping to gain leadership.
  9. Weak DNC presidential field. This goes back to the three-way split in the party. The Neo-Liberals are experienced enough to know that they need to be able to appeal not just to the center of their party, but to the center of the country. That requires a candidate who can make good, alternative offers to Trump. That leaves them with Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden. Warren has had her day in the rain dance and now it's over; she got her shit shoved in by Gabard and Buttigie in the debates. That only leaves Joe Biden as the only contender who can possibly appeal to the left's center and the American center as a whole. And Joe Biden has been shown to be so weak and his son such a fuck-up, that he's not going to win. The far left wanted Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders, but were split. Harris was a poster child for the far left's ideals, but the communists and greens in the party preferred Warren and Biden over her--and after several bad debates and an inability to blow the cameraman for charisma, she tanked.
  10. Trump has confirmed two SCOTUS judges and approaching two hundred confirmed federal judges.
  11. Trump's black friends and supporters have been given a great deal of hate, which has led to a possible fracture point within the black vote. If it cracks (and it may not, but it may), the DNC could have a meltdown. Not necessarily because of voting results directly, but rather of having the narrative of the DNC being the designated champion of black people demolished would send the far left into an ideological crises. Expect more Uncle Tom accusations to fly around the internet.
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This is a great breakdown.
 
almostinsane said:
We can't get overconfident. The amount of people hating Trump on the internet is real. We need to get everyone possible to vote Trump.
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Well, I wouldn't recommend you getting complacent, but it's up to Trump and his team to get people motivated to vote. And although he likes to keep his burn going and has for about three years now, high gear won't happen until a few months from now. Not until after the DNC nominee is made official, which I think will be July 16th, although it might be earlier. From there, expect an accelerating burn up to August and September, with full burns in October and November.

Until then, anyone who isn't interested in politics or has other things they need to focus on won't want to focus on it unless it's a relevant scandal or event. People will show when they're ready and not a minute sooner.
 
To share/steal an analogy I heard that I found amusing on this subject:

The impeachment is kind've like if America's political parties were watching entirely different movies. Republicans are watching Hoover, and noting how this is all a tale of insider government intrigues and abuses targeting their guy out of misaimed and perhaps outright corrupt aims on the part of the FBI and partisan folks associated. Democrats are watching Frost/Nixon, they're engaged in a dramatic and stirring tale of oversight of a corrupt and fiendish president who is making a mockery of the process and Washington...Except the soundtrack to Frost/Nixon has been replaced with a loop of Yakety-sax (with why that is so debatable between 'Dem missteps' and 'Republican/Trump clownery' depending on your partisan position, I suppose).
Greens are, of course, still watching Fern Gully. And Libertarians are watching Firefly. Again. They don't really care, and neither do a large number of other Americans who are watching something by Disney in this holiday season and don't have time for government because the Mouse has them by the balls.
(Credit for the above belongs to show-host Andrew Heaton)
The Original Sixth said:
  1. Trump appeared scary. A day did not go by that some mainstream media piece didn't publish something about social disorder from riots over his victory, supposed treason via the Russian Probe, the rise of white racists via Charlottesville, alleged sexual affairs in regards to Stormy Daniels (which built off his hot mic from 2016 and supposed sexual assaults), constantly launching verbal attacks on NATO members, launching two missile strikes in Syria (which supposedly would put us at war with the Russians--the very people he's apparently a puppet of), nuclear escalation by threatening to tear up the Iran Nuclear Deal, and a literal nuclear pissing match with the leader of North Korea, which lead to actual naval deployments and nuclear test missiles being fired over Japan.
  2. Trump appeared incompetent. Within the first two years of his presidency, his entire administration was leaking--most of which were easily discredited rumors (though they were given major headlines in every news agency broadcast), but gave the appearance of unprofessional control. Said leaks also insisted on corruption and incompetence within the administration. Which was then followed by numerous dismissals and resignations over the next two years, ranging from lower level civil servants and appointments to big names.
  3. ACA reform failed in the Republican House and Senate. Repeatedly. The Reform was heavily expected by the Midlanders and Yankees, who had hoped that Trump would provide them with a comprehensive, affordable health insurance system as opposed to the one that Obama had given them.
  4. Various Republican sex scandals coming to light during 2017.
  5. Very contentious SCOTUS appointments.
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I'd add to this with:

6. Economic concerns and fears of recession at a regular interval (though perhaps this falls under number 1).

7. Trump is a blowhard, narcissistic, East-coast asshole who fundamentally disconnects with the culture/outlook of a good number of folks (even those inside his voting bloc or, if you wish to use it, the American nations--the South and West tending to have degrees of courtesy-culture Trump flagrantly disregards), and associating Republicans with him ineviteably drove people (prominently those in suburbs who are middle to upper-middle and thus also more disposed towards courtest-culture) away the same way Dems associated with Obama got driven out in 2010. See the recent flare-up over his stuff on Dingell as the most recent instance of this type of thing.

8. Democrat candidates weren't associated with, nor for the most part were they, all that far-left and featured prominent veterans and moderates who could appeal to the suburbanite/courteous sectors that Trump and Company alienated.


Seven is, of course, locked-in as a permanent factor of Trump because...Trump. Six has gradually eased off as growth and stability has solidified confidence much more. And eight is...remaining to be seen, but this impeachment stuff doesn't help (especially if it's current status of being low on people's list of concerns and not even attracting universal partisan support continues).
 
Fuck impeachment! Get the International Court of Justice involved and bring Bush, Trump AND Obama AND senior officials of ALL OF THOSE ADMINISTRATIONS before THE HAGUE. Crimes against humanity and war criminals all of them. Lock them ALL the fucking fuck up. The U.S. hasn't existed since it collapsed in 1861, this is the Imperial Confederacy.
 
The US doesn’t recognize the Hague’s power over it. Hell, I doubt European states would if it tried to exercise it over sitting/ex Heads of States and PMs.
The Us has existed for centuries. More power has been ceded to the Federal government but that doesn’t mean that the US doesn’t exist.
 
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Yokkiziikzekker said:
Fuck impeachment! Get the International Court of Justice involved and bring Bush, Trump AND Obama AND senior officials of ALL OF THOSE ADMINISTRATIONS before THE HAGUE. Crimes against humanity and war criminals all of them. Lock them ALL the fucking fuck up. The U.S. hasn't existed since it collapsed in 1861, this is the Imperial Confederacy.
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Not sure if trolling or stupid.

Anyway, I fully expect Pelosi to drag this out as long as possible, and to try to force the Senate to go by rules she wants in order to limit how much of a defense Trump can put up.

In the end, the Impeachment will fail, no matter what Pelosi does or bargains for, and the US people should send her a bill for all the tax payer dollars she's wasted on this farce.
 
Bacle said:
Anyway, I fully expect Pelosi to drag this out as long as possible, and to try to force the Senate to go by rules she wants in order to limit how much of a defense Trump can put up.
In the end, the Impeachment will fail, no matter what Pelosi does or bargains for, and the US people should send her a bill for all the tax payer dollars she's wasted on this farce.
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Here's one blogger's take on it:
Jim said:
Trump wants a trial in the Senate at which Democrats get to call witnesses, Trump gets to cross examine their witnesses and Trump gets to call witnesses, and they get to cross examine his witnesses.
During which he gets to put on the greatest show on earth, unlike the ratings killing impeachment investigation.
The Democrats want a trial in the Senate during which they continue their aimless, endless, boring, and fruitless fishing expedition for something, anything, everything, to pin on Trump, but Trump does not get to call witnesses or cross examine their witnesses.
The cucked Republicans want it all to end now, before Trump gets to hang out all the Uniparty and Deep State dirty linen in the Senate.
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