King Arts
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The forced marriage thing is even biblical.
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mrttao
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And?The revenge rape thing even happens with tribal courts in Pakistan.
Pakistani council orders 'revenge rape' of 16-year-old girl
Pakistani police have arrested 25 members of an informal village council accused of ordering the rape of a 16-year-old girl as revenge for her brother's alleged sexual assault of another girl.www.reuters.com
You previously said revenge rape is how India handles rape.
When your own source state it is an unprecedented event in india.
And in fact india gives rapists 7 years to death penalty.
I pointed out what your source actually said so you now pivot to an example from pakistan.
Yet again your own source says it last happened about 20 years ago.
So once every 20 years is not exactly common occurrence there either according to your own source.
And the pakistani govt response was to:
1. arrest everyone involved. (both rapists and every member of village council)
2. give all the rapists and the village council stiff penalties (according your previous source the penalty for rape in pakistan is apparently life in prison)
3. send all the female relatives to govt owned women's shelter.
These penalties are much much stiffer penalties compared to sweden where the govt gives community service.
or england where they use community resolution (police forces the rapist to apologize and the victim is forced to accept the apology)
You are unable to refute the point so they are just looking for shock value cases of "things that happen rarely". What, you think gang rapes never happen in your country?
I never said there is no rapists in those countries. I said they face much stiffer penalties and risks and as such there is some limited deterrent.
Those exact same people, should they move to sweden as rapefugees, are told they will face community service for a rape conviction in europe. So, why wouldn't those rapefugees rape more in europe then they did back in their home country?
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Not in India, in the world in general. The cultures in relevant regions of India is probably related to Pakistan too. And no, it's not a one off just because a journo used the term unprecedented, it just means the journo does not know many cases.
More cases:
Yes, the central government doesn't support this sort of culture, but India is a multicultural country, and some more backwards parts of it do.
mrttao
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So your original source was shit. ok.
Good on you for getting a better source this time.
But... you are still just looking for shock value cases and failing to actually defend your actual argument.
And also pretending there is no massive amounts of gang rapes in the ghettos of your country that the govt lets slide.
A pakistani man living in pakistan knows that, should he be arrested for rape, he faces life in prison. With a possible out where the victim gets pregnant and a deal is struck with her family to make him financially liable for the woman and child for life.
This exact same Paki also knows he can take a boat to europe as a rapefugee and in europe if he is convicted of rape he will get 3 months of community service. And there is a good chance he won't even get convicted.
His "worse case scenario" went from life in prison to "community service". He won't pay a single cent and does not risk any prison time.
So there is no deterrent. The only thing stopping this paki from raping in europe is his own personal morality.
Which you have spent the last page trying to convince us all that pakis don't have that.
You are trying to convince us that this exact same paki man, after 1 boat trip to europe, is magically transformed into being LESS likely to commit rapes now that he has become a rapefugee in europe.
On the contrary, as the article explains, no, they don't know that, and only high profile cases that get central government or even better, international attention get such shows of force.
Meanwhile, whole village councils feel like it's a good idea to say that some girl should be raped in revenge for some crime committed by someone from her family.
Where the fuck did you get the idea that this is what i'm trying to convince anyone about? Please learn English, thx bye gg.
DarthOne
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That would be true if we ignored that all this crap started long before the Russian-Ukraine slapfight. YEARS before.
This tweet is at best technically correct and at worse ass-covering in an attempt to divert the population’s growing anger at the political establishment onto an outside force.
Russia literally busses people to the Finnish border to push them onto the EU, and have been doing the same in the Baltics and other parts of Eastern Europe.
Russia wants to use the third world refugees as a weapon against the west, and has been for years, before 2014 even.
mrttao
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Yes. And?
This does not in any way shape or form refute anything in the post you quoted.
Forced mass migration of 3rd world muslims into europe has been going on for generations.
Russia pushing more migrants in has been going for a single year as retaliation for the western nations supporting ukraine.
> Russia: You give ukraine weapons and money, we give you more rapefugees.
And the only reason Russia can even do it in the first place is because those countries are full of traitors who insist borders are genocide and "rapefugees welcome"
Trying to blame the whole thing on russia is either stupidity or blame shifting.
Belarus did it half a year before the war, so bad theory.
Why do they do it? Because western powers are too afraid of "escalation" to slap the shit out of either the migrants or their traffickers for it. There should be dead people because of this.
When you help third worlders to try storm borders to break in, that's an invasion, and there should be appropriate consequences.
Which of the people involved should be dead is a complicated question, but some should be, even if few, as a warning and show of conviction.
Why do they do it? Simple, they can do it, they get away with it, and it annoys the other side.
They definitely help. They are like the socialists in Polish-Soviet war who started strikes in ports meant to send supplies to Poland. But they are useful idiots who side against own country in a war, in no way they take away blame from the country waging said war in the first place.
mrttao
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The rapefugee crisis in europe did not just materialize over the last year.
No matter how much cherry picking you do you cannot magically make it Russia's fault that over the last few decades western nations have been mass importing 3rd worlders
To be fair, he is correct.
While "Black crime" has always been a thing that resulted in stereotypes being applied to basically all Black Americans, in the past it was a social issue that was combated on multiple fronts... and it was working. The last few generations had become the least racist in American history, despite American police and the justice system not exactly helping matters.
Sadly enough, I say "had" as in the past tense because of recent events.
I remember an episode of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air where Will's cousin was basically racially stereotyped by police and arrested, despite being a law-abiding citizen that did nothing wrong, followed the rules all his life, and having a fucking judge for a father. Even he questioned things. It was a great bit of social commentary in the 90's, and it helped people think and reflect.
However... sigh.
The last twenty years, especially the last ten? Black crime has basically exploded, no matter what you want to blame as being the cause (such as Black families being broken by the government/single mothers/financial scarcity, et cetera), the fact is that it's happened at a time where racism against Black people, on the whole, had been at an all time low in culture and history (yes, it still happened, but I'm looking at it compared to American history and culture/generations on the whole).
From the non-Black perspectives/White perspectives, and again this is on the whole and not the more racist die-hard types society will always have, no one really cared if someone had a Black spouse or biracial kids. No one cared if their friends or colleagues were Black. No one cared about family members being Black e.g. In laws. They saw just people.
Of course, looking into things more it seems as though a lot of racism in Black families towards Whites being part of it has always been there. shrug
But yeah: You had and still have Black idols, politicians, celebrities, et cetera, that people adored and still adore (and, yes, that includes that snake Obama), even if rap music and culture is a fucking plague in my personal opinion.
Thing were basically gravy; not exactly perfect, but society and attitudes were basically the best they'd ever been.
And then all of sudden it's like Black people on the whole went fucking insane, especially since they realized they could get freely away with being racist shitheels, especially against Whites, Latinos, and Asians. To everyone, it was exactly as if Black people had collectively stabbed the people embracing them as "just Americans" in the back as soon as they could get away with it.
Subsequently, all the prior prejudices, suspicions, and racism against them, which had been fading away/dying inglorious deaths, have resurged with a vengeance as a result of their own actions. Unfairly against all Black people? Yeah. Do I blame it all for happening? Not one bit, and I understand/agree with why.
To be blunt? Black Americans have recreated their own shitpit at a time when the shitpit was fading.
Acting like animals in Portland, supporting Burn Loot and Murder, and acting like racists towards Whites, Latinos, and Asians? Yeah, they've done this to themselves, exactly like how a hijacked MeToo and feminism have backfired on all women now.
So that picture of a Black family salvaging their belongings? I can absolutely understand and agree with why people in the '10's/20's would see them just being looters, while a lot of people in the 90's/00's would've seen a family salvaging belongings.
They've basically done it to themselves.
PsihoKekec
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The smart thing to do is to kick them out of the country the gang I mean. That's the smart move, but we live in dumb times.
mrttao
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I would rather kick the media out of the country.
SoliFortissimi
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In France, Parisienne intellectuals decide policy. Not the general public, just these degenerate elites that once tried to legalise and encourage pedophilia and incest.
I don't expect anything to be done about it. Like the US, Europe will just need to learn to live with it. We can complain about it all we like, but all that will change is our blood pressure.
I don't expect anything to be done about it. Like the US, Europe will just need to learn to live with it. We can complain about it all we like, but all that will change is our blood pressure.
DarthOne
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I think Madam Guillotine has a counter argument she wishes to make…
SoliFortissimi
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She is now abolished in France, and I fancy the current government isn't as wimpy and soft as Louis was.
Not the nations bordering Belarus and Russia.