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WolfBear

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The other problem is most of the black men who have their act together are already taken.
Just ask them to be sperm donors for you instead, then. If you're going to be a single mother either way, then at least choose a man with good genes to be your child's father.
 

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Just ask them to be sperm donors for you instead, then. If you're going to be a single mother either way, then at least choose a man with good genes to be your child's father.
fincially speaking that just isn't going to happen.

If the state has to choose between spending its money to support single mothers or spending some one elses their going to spend some one elses.
 

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fincially speaking that just isn't going to happen.

If the state has to choose between spending its money to support single mothers or spending some one elses their going to spend some one elses.
Don't sperm donors get legal protections if the donation is done in the right way? I mean, it's sort of crucial that dysgenics be prevented. Though stupid politicians and judges might fail to comprehend that.
 

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Have the Democrats seriously discussed increasing high-skill immigration? I know that Biden wants to recruit STEM Russian majors to the US without an employment sponsor, but I mean other than that. This isn't to say that high-skill immigration can't have its own risks, such as increased Wokeness, but it does bring in a lot of productive immigrants.
..... no, look at who the democrat base is, the technocrats, the credentialed crowd don’t want competition for their own jobs.
 

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Don't sperm donors get legal protections if the donation is done in the right way? I mean, it's sort of crucial that dysgenics be prevented. Though stupid politicians and judges might fail to comprehend that.
when it gets pushed those legal protections mean nothing.

You only need a few angry women who decide life is hard before all of those legal protections go by by. Which is what happened in the UK and why its hard for them to find donars.

Of course the cheaper better method to dealing with all of this?

Don't support single mothers, expecially with government money. With in a few years these women will simply lower their standards find a semi decent guy and work on the relationship just enough not to fuck it sideways. I mean the default of human history was that divorce was actually pretty rare because being a single mom fucking sucked.
 

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Don't sperm donors get legal protections if the donation is done in the right way? I mean, it's sort of crucial that dysgenics be prevented. Though stupid politicians and judges might fail to comprehend that.
No, of course not. Even if you have a legally airtight agreement the courts will just declare that it's null and void and you have to pay child support anyway. Even if you got the child support insurance you've mentioned in other threads, you would still have to pay child support on top of that as the position of the courts is that no legal agreement or contract can be used to prevent you from paying child support.

 

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Even if you got the child support insurance you've mentioned in other threads, you would still have to pay child support on top of that as the position of the courts is that no legal agreement or contract can be used to prevent you from paying child support.
The way around that is to have the insurance pay you. Then you cut a check as the child support payment.
 

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The way around that is to have the insurance pay you. Then you cut a check as the child support payment.
Ooh, bad news on that front. If you have more income, such as insurance payments, the amount of child support you have to pay can be increased to compensate.

 

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No, of course not. Even if you have a legally airtight agreement the courts will just declare that it's null and void and you have to pay child support anyway. Even if you got the child support insurance you've mentioned in other threads, you would still have to pay child support on top of that as the position of the courts is that no legal agreement or contract can be used to prevent you from paying child support.

This isn't true in all cases. Take a look at the 2007 Pennsylvania court case Ferguson v. McKiernan, for instance. There, a sperm donor was excused from paying child support.
 

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I remember one comedian said that if women want the right to an abortion then child support and alimony should be abolished as well.
Traditionally how marrage worked through out human history was that the woman had the right to the mans labor and in exchange he had the right to her sexuality and offspring. Thus any children had during a marrage belonged to the husband if the woman bounced he kept the kids.

Children had out of wedlock belonged to the mother but she had to provide for them on her own which wasn't fun. Because such women were a burden on the community and treated as such.

I think when this age ends as a reaction to all of the fuckery we will go back to this standard.
 

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Traditionally how marrage worked through out human history was that the woman had the right to the mans labor and in exchange he had the right to her sexuality and offspring. Thus any children had during a marrage belonged to the husband if the woman bounced he kept the kids.

Children had out of wedlock belonged to the mother but she had to provide for them on her own which wasn't fun. Because such women were a burden on the community and treated as such.

I think when this age ends as a reaction to all of the fuckery we will go back to this standard.
Largely because at the rate we are going our entire society will move back to that point as the modern society requires luxuries which seem no longer sustainable.
 

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Traditionally how marrage worked through out human history was that the woman had the right to the mans labor and in exchange he had the right to her sexuality and offspring. Thus any children had during a marrage belonged to the husband if the woman bounced he kept the kids.

Children had out of wedlock belonged to the mother but she had to provide for them on her own which wasn't fun. Because such women were a burden on the community and treated as such.

I think when this age ends as a reaction to all of the fuckery we will go back to this standard.
Largely because at the rate we are going our entire society will move back to that point as the modern society requires luxuries which seem no longer sustainable.
FWIW, I oppose automatically designating the spouse of a pregnant woman as the child's other second legal parent, though if it will be done again, it should be done for both same-sex and opposite-sex couples.

And I would be absolutely delightful to see the current child support laws changed. If conservatives care so much about people breeding out of wedlock, then changing the current child support laws should seem like an extremely high priority for them. But they're not doing anything about this so far, unfortunately.
 

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FWIW, I oppose automatically designating the spouse of a pregnant woman as the child's other second legal parent, though if it will be done again, it should be done for both same-sex and opposite-sex couples.

And I would be absolutely delightful to see the current child support laws changed. If conservatives care so much about people breeding out of wedlock, then changing the current child support laws should seem like an extremely high priority for them. But they're not doing anything about this so far, unfortunately.
Where at the ending of a modern period thats always a shit show.

So we have decades of this witch hunting purity spiral garbage to get through, but hey our grandkids will live pretty awsome lives.
 

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FWIW, I oppose automatically designating the spouse of a pregnant woman as the child's other second legal parent, though if it will be done again, it should be done for both same-sex and opposite-sex couples.

And I would be absolutely delightful to see the current child support laws changed. If conservatives care so much about people breeding out of wedlock, then changing the current child support laws should seem like an extremely high priority for them. But they're not doing anything about this so far, unfortunately.
Child support laws are a lower priority for conservatives for several reasons:

1. We're less likely to be affected by them, as we're less likely to have children out of wedlock, and less likely to divorce.
2. We fundamentally believe a man is responsible for supporting his children, so the basic concept is seen as sound.
3. We're more likely to have the financial wherewithal to fulfill obligations.

None of these mean that the laws aren't a bloody mess, nor that they shouldn't be reformed, just that the problem is less frequently personally experienced by conservatives, and even when it is, how bad it is often is not seen.
 
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