Science Hydroxychloroquine and it's Discontents

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New evidence suggests that the studies showing hydroxychloroquine is dangerous may have been faked and that The Lancet swallowed the fake studies hook line and sinker.

Here's the money quote:

Surgisphere’s sparse online presence—the website doesn’t list any of its partner hospitals by name or identify its scientific advisory board, for example—have prompted intense skepticism. Physician and entrepreneur James Todaro of the investment fund Blocktown Capital wondered in a blog post why Surgisphere's enormous database doesn’t appear to have been used in peer-reviewed research studies until May. Another post, from data scientist Peter Ellis of the management consulting firm Nous Group, questioned how LinkedIn could list only five Surgisphere employees—all but Desai apparently lacking a scientific or medical background—if the company really provides software to hundreds of hospitals to coordinate the collection of sensitive data from electronic health records. (This morning, the number of employees on LinkedIn had dropped to three.) And Chaccour wonders how such a tiny company was able to reach data-sharing agreements with hundreds of hospitals around the world that use many different languages and data recording systems, while adhering to the rules of 46 different countries on research ethics and data protection.
 

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I've talked about the woman who fed her husband fish tank cleaner and got lauded by the media multiple times in the other thread (and if you're not familiar with those details it's worth looking at) but now we have the report of just how much of the stuff she fed him:

This was a murder. There should be no doubt about it at this point.
 

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It's not just the Lancet study made of fail. Britain's NHS decided to join the failathon bandwagon with even more odd and out of place medical practices during their study.

Using antivirals like this on extremely sick patients is useless. By the time they start therapy, the viral response phase is over and the host hyper-inflammation has begun.



Antivirals need to be given before the over-response portion of the disease course. That means early detection and diagnosis is necessary. After that midpoint up there, they literally need to start dosing patients with insane amounts of heparin and steroids to keep them alive.

I've talked about the woman who fed her husband fish tank cleaner and got lauded by the media multiple times in the other thread (and if you're not familiar with those details it's worth looking at) but now we have the report of just how much of the stuff she fed him:

This was a murder. There should be no doubt about it at this point.
There were people on SB and SV who claimed that I “murdered” one half of that couple in Arizona because my document on COVID-19 made mention of hydroxychloroquine.

Never mind that Trump was citing Didier Raoult, not me, or that the information I published was factually-accurate and based on scientific studies, or that Wanda Lenius was a Democrat donor, or that she’d previously been involved in an incident where she physically assaulted her husband by swinging a birdhouse at his head.



There’s absolutely no reason to suspect poisoning for political brownie points in this case, no sir. The poor widdle Dem donor was horribly deceived by the bad evil Orange Man and his Hoax Science™. :ROFLMAO:

By the way, did you know that Remdesivir is like $4500 a course?
 

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By the way, did you know that Remdesivir is like $4500 a course?
My father has a saying - 'People will tell you what they will do to you by what they warn you other people will always do to you.'

They claimed Trump was pushing HCQ because he would make money - they are actually trying to discredit it to sell more of their high-priced drug!
 

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My father has a saying - 'People will tell you what they will do to you by what they warn you other people will always do to you.'

They claimed Trump was pushing HCQ because he would make money - they are actually trying to discredit it to sell more of their high-priced drug!
Now, in that context, check out this heavy-duty shilling for Remdesivir:



It doesn't even work that well against COVID-19. The most effective antivirals are actually interferon and Kaletra.

 

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Here in South Africa, Dexamethasone is the new star drug.
Cyril Ramaphosa said:
In the midst of this life-destroying pandemic, we are greatly encouraged by news this week of a breakthrough in the treatment of COVID-19.
A study by the University of Oxford in Britain found that the drug dexamethasone – which is also manufactured here in South Africa by one of our pharmaceutical companies and of which there is an ample supply – reduced deaths among patients on ventilation by a third.
The Department of Health and the Ministerial Advisory Committee has recommended that dexamethasone can be considered for use on patients on ventilators and on oxygen supply.
We believe that this will improve our management of the disease among those who are most severely affected.
 

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Meanwhile in India...


Indian Express said:
HCQ is obviously not a panacea for severe cases of Covid-19. Given early, it helps reduce mortality by about half, compared to those not given HCQ. In India the drug is widely available and not expensive. A number of Indian states have already incorporated a short course of HCQ in their Covid-19 treatment protocol, and states that have not done so will do well to implement this quickly.
India is the largest supplier of HCQ and it has been adopted by several Indian states for treatment protocols and has seen some success so their treatment protocol is expanding and being built upon. However other Indian hospitals and providers are still leery of adopting it due to comorbities and still scaled it back.
 
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So Twitter and/or Jack decided to screw with Trump Junior over the HCQ doctor testimony:

Methinks Twitter just signed their own 'utility nationalization decree' as this crosses Trump and his family directly.
 

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Methinks Twitter just signed their own 'utility nationalization decree' as this crosses Trump and his family directly.
Not yet. But I do think there will be a reckoning for them.
 

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Would be hilarious if the Trump administration starts nationalizing Big Tech industries like a combine harvester going through a field of wheat, and all the Leftycrats start screaming blue murder over it.
But we thought you wanted Socialism?
 

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Well it looks like the disinformation brigade is out once again trying to talk down hydroxychloroquine. One wonders how many lives will be lost because the President must be wrong...
 

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So, Fauci's current responses, and the continual fuck ups under the CDC with this seems rather...interesting now. He said this just around the time Trump was sworn in.


Damn, this lady on fire. She cut right to the heart of the issue, Big Pharma can't make money of a generic cure that is cheap and widely available.

People in the tropics take HCQ as prophylaxis against malaria there already, and seem to be having lower infection rates.
 

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Damn, this lady on fire. She cut right to the heart of the issue, Big Pharma can't make money of a generic cure that is cheap and widely available.

People in the tropics take HCQ as prophylaxis against malaria there already, and seem to be having lower infection rates.
After months of being under lockdown it really riles me up that we had treatments for wu-flu (good ones going by the studies that haven't been hidden or are bunk) but they aren't getting used because Trump said they could be useful. And certain people can't admit that Trump can be right.
 
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