How long for Sauron to conquer Westeros

[Bassoe]

Too quickly,Sauron was always cautious.He would probably wait with taking over till old generation die from old age.
And,when that happen,do that almost without any fight.

Thing is, Sauron can't just wait or he won't have anyone left to rule over.

Maybe he can bill himself as technically fulfilling the fulfillment of the prophecy of Azor Ahai's return as The Prince That Was Promised, being a "hero" with fire motifs who'll beat back the Others and save the world?

 

[Husky_Khan]

Wouldn't Sauron want to use a lackey as Azor Ahai? Kind of like what he had going on with the Numenorean King (as is my understanding) and folks like Saruman and the Mouth of Sauron.

 

[Aldarion]

Wouldn't Sauron want to use a lackey as Azor Ahai? Kind of like what he had going on with the Numenorean King (as is my understanding) and folks like Saruman and the Mouth of Sauron.

That is definitely a possibility. Considering how gullible Fire Priests can be...

 

[Husky_Khan]

That is definitely a possibility. Considering how gullible Fire Priests can be...

Well we might get the Mouth of Sauron loyal fans of Tolkien have desired for decades now.

As a Mouth of Sauron stan myself, I was intrigued by his brief portrayal in the novels and greatly disappointed in how this Aragorn equivalent was presented in the film trilogy through the deleted scene.

 

[Jormungandr]

People, Book Sauron wouldn't even need the goddamn Rings. Compared to the nations of Middle-Earth where such trickery was needed, Westeros is like an anemic twelve year old girl in comparison.

He'd stomp them.

And the White Walkers? Necromancy and the dead are Sauron's schtick. He was a goddamn demigod/Maia, for fuck's sake. If I were a White Walker, I'd be fucking terrified that my own undead troops would suddenly turn on me, or that my own free will or sense of self would be stripped/bodyjacked into thrallhood.

The only more screwed Westeros would be if it were Melkor/Morgoth arriving, instead.

 

[ATP]

Thing is, Sauron can't just wait or he won't have anyone left to rule over.

Maybe he can bill himself as technically fulfilling the fulfillment of the prophecy of Azor Ahai's return as The Prince That Was Promised, being a "hero" with fire motifs who'll beat back the Others and save the world?

Others do not have enough dakka to threathen Sauron.
And those who maybe have/Stygoi,etc/ are doing nothing.

 

[Bassoe]

Others do not have enough dakka to threathen Sauron.

Never said they'd threaten him himself, but he can hardly enslave westeros' population if the ice zombies kill them first.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

He'd stomp them.

That isn't in question, the only one I have is how long will it take him? The question of the thread is how fast he can realistically achieve it in a speedrun.

Ironically as a refuge he can achieve victory fastest, if he has his shapeshifting powers, he simply can kill Joffrey and shapeshift into him and usurp the Iron Throne, after doing that he has already achieved his victory goal, it becomes a simple matter of knocking off competition.

 

[ATP]

Never said they'd threaten him himself, but he can hardly enslave westeros' population if the ice zombies kill them first.

You are right,he must act to save his futere slaves here.

That isn't in question, the only one I have is how long will it take him? The question of the thread is how fast he can realistically achieve it in a speedrun.

Ironically as a refuge he can achieve victory fastest, if he has his shapeshifting powers, he simply can kill Joffrey and shapeshift into him and usurp the Iron Throne, after doing that he has already achieved his victory goal, it becomes a simple matter of knocking off competition.

As far as i knew,he was not shapeshifter,but still could win as Joeffrey advisor.Smart dudes as Tywin or Varys would need accidents here,but - it is nothing for Sauron to made them slipl on banana peels.

 

[Aldarion]

As far as i knew,he was not shapeshifter,but still could win as Joeffrey advisor.Smart dudes as Tywin or Varys would need accidents here,but - it is nothing for Sauron to made them slipl on banana peels.

He was in the First Age - he shapeshifted into a werewolf and a bat. And during the Second Age he used a fair appearance to fool everybody.

But default Third Age Sauron doesn't have such powers.

 

[ATP]

He was in the First Age - he shapeshifted into a werewolf and a bat. And during the Second Age he used a fair appearance to fool everybody.

But default Third Age Sauron doesn't have such powers.

Thanks! which mean,that he need only to fool Joeffrey and Cersei as their "advisor" and kill smart players like Tywin and Varys.
Baelish here would serve him,i think.

P.S Merry Christmas !

 

[Aldarion]

Thanks! which mean,that he need only to fool Joeffrey and Cersei as their "advisor" and kill smart players like Tywin and Varys.
Baelish here would serve him,i think.

P.S Merry Christmas !

Yup.

Merry Christmas to you too!

 

[Free-Stater 101]

But default Third Age Sauron doesn't have such powers.

Well to be fair you didn't specify Third Age Sauron.

Well, another way to do a conquest fairly quickly would be from the same starting position of refugee would be to become a smith before giving out the nine rings of men strategically to those in power or those Sauron could move up the upper echelons of power, before coming out in the open once Westeros is exhausted and people aren't whiling to complain too much.

The Dragons will be something Sauron will look out for given they are a known quantity to him from Middle Earth and their usefulness, that can be possibly used against him even if they are lesser ones with no intelligence will also play into that, but wherever he directly tries to control them or subvert them through Dany with a ring remains to be seen.

The above video shows Sauron's outlooks in depth for perspective of how he works.

 

[Aldarion]

The above video shows Sauron's outlooks in depth for perspective of how he works.

I've actually written about it:

Strategy of Sauron

Overview Second Age Sauron’s strategy was logistically and tactically sound, but he made a very basic mistake. Essentially, he failed to understand his enemies, whereas his enemies understood…

warfantasy.wordpress.com

Good video, though. Thanks!

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Another thing to keep in mind with Sauron is just how very intelligent he is. Given how he’d probably play Darth Sidious like a fiddle, running rings around the “greatest minds” of Westeros would be the equivalent of a leisurely walk in the park for him.

 

[ATP]

Another thing to keep in mind with Sauron is just how very intelligent he is. Given how he’d probably play Darth Sidious like a fiddle, running rings around the “greatest minds” of Westeros would be the equivalent of a leisurely walk in the park for him.

Not mention,that Westeros "great minds" were morons,which could win only to plot schields.
With possible excepcion of Varys.