Historical maps thread

WolfBear said:
Yeah, I'd like to find that out as well. If I can actually find the original source of this map, I would let you know. German military casualties in World War II should be in the 5-6 million range, no? As for the Soviet casualties, didn't Soviet experts themselves in the post-Cold War period say something along the lines of 9-11 million Soviet military casualties and 16-18 million Soviet civilian casualties?
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Dead should be around 5 million. That is a bit disputed, but I'd say 4.5 mil at a minimum. Including Austria, all foreigners who served in the German military, and ethnic Germans conscripted from all over.

I think the Soviet numbers given by Khurschev were probably the most accurate, which your map supports, that is 20 million dead. Post-Soviet Russia did a statistical analysis that said about 26 million, but there are major problems with statistical analyses like that. When applied to Wehrmacht losses for instance the result was laughably bad (Overmans). For the Soviet numbers it is even worse as the first census done after the war was in 1959 (Stalin didn't allow one to hide the cost of his policies and the war since he claimed 'only' 7 million dead) and the statistical analysis was based on that and extrapolations based on the 1939 census, the last one before the war. A 1956 population announcement was made, but I'm not sure the claimed source of those numbers.

Soviet military dead based on a statistical analysis of just Red army losses said 8.6 million, which several people have demonstrated was a substantial undercount. IIRC Glantz said 11.4 million dead for the military and paramilitary groups is the minimum. 6 million civilian dead is claimed by various sources, but the modern Russians have claimed as you said something like 16-18 million civilian dead; that of course is probably very wrong as a lot of combatants were lumped in to those numbers and the 26 million figure is likely too high.

en.wikipedia.org

World War II casualties of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

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  • Viktor Zemskov–Zemskov maintained that the population loss due to the war was 20 million, including 16 million direct losses and 4 million deaths due to the deterioration in living conditions. He maintains that the Russian Academy of Science figure of 26.6 million total war dead includes about 7 million deaths due to natural causes based on the mortality rate that prevailed before the war. Zemskov maintains that military dead numbered 11.5 million, including nearly 4 million POWs. He maintains that the figure of 6.8 million civilian deaths in occupied regions was overstated because it included persons who were evacuated to the rear areas. He submitted an estimate of 4.5 million civilians who were Nazi victims or were killed in the occupied zone. Zemskov maintains that the government figure of 2.1 million civilian deaths due to forced labor in Germany was inflated compared to German wartime records that put the deaths of forced workers at 200,000.[61]
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US attitudes towards having the US enter World War II:

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A map of European Jews as a percentage of the total population in 1900:

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Two maps of the US's Great Migration of African-Americans from the Southern US to other parts of the US:

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WolfBear said:
Some Dutch female soccer for you lol! :D
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No thanks., I don't think that outfit would fit me. ;) She's very attractive but a fair number of the players are likewise and some are stunners. Which is a good secondary reason for watching but with me its mainly I'm a sports fan nationalist.
 
A map of the results of the 1946 Italian institutional referendum (monarchy vs. republic):

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@Ricardolindo Do you think that the Hapsburgs' longer legacy in Trentino the reason that Trentino voted overwhelmingly for the republican side in this referendum? Above and beyond most of the rest of northern Italy's republican percentages, I mean.
 
WolfBear said:
A map of the results of the 1946 Italian institutional referendum (monarchy vs. republic):

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@Ricardolindo Do you think that the Hapsburgs' longer legacy in Trentino the reason that Trentino voted overwhelmingly for the republican side in this referendum? Above and beyond most of the rest of northern Italy's republican percentages, I mean.
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I don't know enough to say.
 
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