Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

Zachowon

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What a beautiful case of selective memory considering the whole overthrowing their government twice, both in 1953 and in 1979, especially egregious is the one in 1979 considering Jimmy Carter was the one who helped Khoimeini.


Or the whole Iran-Contra affair. Or the fact that Israel also helped Khoimeini and Iran.


As we say in Italy whoever is the cause of his own pain should cry for himself. You guys say : "as you make your bed so you must lie in it".
There were multiple embassies that WERNT the US ones also getting attacked....

Key point, no one cares unless the country that it hit NEAR is gonna do something.
Iran won't do shit.

And it wasn't even an attack ON the Iranian embassy
 

Skallagrim

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Israel just needs to fucking end this.

They may have to cut ties with the United States to do it; but honestly, I think they'd be better off.

What I don't get is: why have the Israelis been -- essentially -- pussying around the matter, while still suffering the supposed fall-out of the "hard-line" approach, namely considerable push-back from the international community? Literally every other approach would have been better than what the Israeli government is currently doing. Consider options such as:



Scenario "Carthage"

When this whole thing started, I opined that the only way Israel will ever have stable peace is to remove all muslims from its territory, and deport all of them to the Arab regions to the East. (A viable way to do this without effective and organised state opposition is to forcibly march them all into Syria, which is in turmoil anyway.) Not just the Gaza Strip, mind you, but the West Bank as well. (And as I suggested then: an ideal follow-up move, if feasible, would be to occupy Lebanon, deport all Muslims therefrom as well, and make that into a state for Christian Arabs -- also with zero Muslims ever to be allowed in again.) Of course, make sure to destroy all mosques, and especially the Al-Aqsa mosque. After that, rebuild the Jewish temple to make a clear statement: no place for Islam is this region, ever again.

Fortunately, Israel has an active nuclear deterrent to keep the Muslim states from playing stupid games when this plan gets carried out. It's always essential that you are able to 100% guarantee the annihilation of anyone who would existentially threaten you. Getting nukes and never giving them has probably been the wisest decision Israel ever made, and it's what would enable them -- if they ever stop being foolish -- to carry out a real solution to their festering problem.



Scenario "Poznań"

If this approach is too hardcore for weak leaders to carry out (presumably due to a desire to avoid "internationalising" the conflict in any way), then the second-best option would be to destroy only the Gaza Strip. This could be achieved by cutting off all access and utilities. Nothing in, nothing out. No water, no electricity, no internet. It would be necessary to ensure full control of the Egypt-facing border, but otherwise, no direct action needed. It would be best to actively bomb known food storages and water reservoirs, of course. They quicker they face thirst and hunger, the quicker they yield. When they do, forcibly deport them to the West Bank.

(Obviously, if you want to engage in active military incursions, that's an option, but I doubt it would be usefull. Regardless, I strongly advise against ever negotiating with terrorists. Treat all hostages as if they're already dead. Always do that. Hostage-taking stops if there's no way it gets results!)

Annex the Gaza Strip, but (being reasonable), remove the Jewish settlers from the West Bank. Move those to the former Gaza Strip, to colonise that land for Israel. Fully annex East Jerusalem and surroundings, though, and remove all Muslims therefrom (and from anywhere else in Israel) to the West Bank. Wall it off completely, and declare the West Bank to be Palestine. Again, level the Al-Aqsa mosque and rebuild the temple. Issue a decree that for every attack from Palestine on Israel, there will be punitive action and subsequent annexations. (This is something @Abhorsen suggested as a primary strategy, but I consider this plan to be second-best, because it demands that the will to actually follow up without mercy has to be maintained indefinitely. I prefer to solve the issue in one fell swoop, by removing all Muslims from the region forever.)



Scenario "Alesia"

If the second-best plan outlined above is still too hardcore for the pussies in charge, then at least make the "starvation strategy" for the Gaza Strip your main approach. Shut everything down and tell the fuckers that unless and until they release all living hostages, and all members of Hamas surrender in their underwear, you'll let everyone in the Gaza Strip starve to death. This doesn't solve the issue of all so-called "Palestinians", but it's at least a thorough and pretty definitive response to the terrorism of Hamas. And you don't have to send your own soldiers in to die.



...The main point here is that Gaza relies fully on water and food (and other supplies) from the outside. If you follow the principles of (any of) the scenarios briefly outlined above, the matter would be over in a month at the very most. Less, if you effectively target (especially) their pre-existing water supply. For instance, by air-dropping aggressive poison in all reservoirs. But instead, this shit has been dragged out for over half a year now. There is no good reason for this. All the above would result in condemnation from foreign actors, but... who cares? The current, weak and hopeless approach is also getting that condemnation!

I add that my preferred approach -- the most drastic one -- will of course yield the strongest push-back, but it conversely has the inherent advantage that it ultimately presents the world with a fait accompli. It might make Israel a bit of a 'black sheep' for maybe 20 years or so, but after that... people have moved on. Relations are normalised. And there will never again be talk of "Palestinians". They'll all just be Arabs, now living among other Arabs, to the East of Israel. Where they belong. The other scenarios might face less push-back, but they also address the problem less comprehensively. Leaving a rotting wound to fester is never good.

As such, my advice to the Israelis remains what it has been from the start: solve the matter, and solve it for good.
 
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King Arts

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What I don't get is: why have the Israelis been -- essentially -- pussying around the matter, while still suffering the supposed fall-out of the "hard-line" approach, namely considerable push-back from the international community? Literally every other approach would have been better than what the Israeli government is currently doing. Consider options such as:



Scenario "Carthage"

When this whole thing started, I opined that the only way Israel will ever have stable peace is to remove all muslims from its territory, and deport all of them to the Arab regions to the East. (A viable way to do this without effective and organised state opposition is to forcibly march them all into Syria, which is in turmoil anyway.) Not just the Gaza Strip, mind you, but the West Bank as well. (And as I suggested then: an ideal follow-up move, if feasible, would be to occupy Lebanon, deport all Muslims therefrom as well, and make that into a state for Christian Arabs -- also with zero Muslims ever to be allowed in again.) Of course, make sure to destroy all mosques, and especially the Al-Aqsa mosque. After that, rebuild the Jewish temple to make a clear statement: no place for Islam is this region, ever egain.



Scenario "Poznań"

If this approach is too hardcore for weak leaders to carry out (presumably due to a desire to avoid "internationalising" the conflict in any way), then the second-best option would be to destroy only the Gaza Strip. This could be achieved by cutting off all access and utilities. Nothing in, nothing out. No water, no electricity, no internet. It would be necessary to ensure full control of the Egypt-facing border, but otherwise, no direct action needed. It would be best to actively bomb known food storages and water reservoirs, of course. They quicker they face thirst and hunger, the quicker they yield. When they do, forcibly deport them to the West Bank.

(Obviously, if you want to engage in active military incursions, that's an option, but I doubt it would be usefull. Regardless, I strongly advise against ever negotiating with terrorists. Treat all hostages as if they're already dead. Always do that. Hostage-taking stops if there's no way it gets results!)

Annex the Gaza Strip, but (being reasonable), remove the Jewish settlers from the West Bank. Move those to the former Gaza Strip, to colonise that land for Israel. Fully annex East Jerusalem and surroundings, though, and remove all Muslims therefrom (and from anywhere else in Israel) to the West Bank. Wall it off completely, and declare the West Bank to be Palestine. Again, level the Al-Aqsa mosque and rebuild the temple. Issue a decree that for every attack from Palestine on Israel, there will be punitive action and subsequent annexations. (This is something @Abhorsen suggested as a primary strategy, but I consider this plan to be second-best, because it demands that the will to actually follow up without mercy has to be maintained indefinitely. I prefer to solve the issue in one fell swoop, by removing all Muslims from the region forever.)



Scenario "Alesia"

If the second-best plan outlined above is still too hardcore for the pussies in charge, then at least make the "starvation strategy" for the Gaza Strip your main approach. Shut everything down and tell the fuckers that unless and until they release all living hostages, and all members of Hamas surrender in their underwear, you'll let everyone in the Gaza Strip starve to death. This doesn't solve the issue of all so-called "Palestinians", but it's at least a thorough and pretty definitive response to the terrorism of Hamas. And you don't have to send your own soldiers in to die.



...The main point here is that Gaza relies fully on water and food (and other supplies) from the outside. If you follow the principles outlined in the scenarios briefly outlined above, the matter would be over in a month at the very most. Less, if you effectively target (especially) their pre-existing water supply. For instance, by air-dropping aggressive poison in all reservoirs. But instead, this shit has been dragged out for over half a year now. There is no good reason for this. All the above would result in condemnation from foreign actors, but... who cares? The current, weak and hopeless approach is also getting that condemnation!

I add that my preferred approach -- the most drastic one -- will of course yield the strongest push-back, but it conversely has the inherent advantage that it ultimately presents the world with a fait accompli. It might make Israel a bit of a 'black sheep' for maybe 20 years or so, but after that... people have moved on. Relations are normalised. And there will never again be talk of "Palestinians". They'll all just be Arabs, now living among other Arabs, to the East of Israel. Where they belong. The other scenarios might face less push-back, but they als solve the problem less comprehensively. Leaving a rotting wound to fester is never good.

As such, my advice to the Israelis remains what it has been from the start: solve the matter, and solve it for good.
What an idiotic take I guess it’s true that you said you were a college professor.

While quick brutality is smart your idiotic expulsion will guarantee the entire Muslim world would join together, and blowing up their mosque will get Pakistan in too which is a nuclear power and would start a nuclear war in the Middle East. And America would not unconditionally support Israel in this because Israel would cause the biggest of all shitstorms.
 

Cherico

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What I don't get is: why have the Israelis been -- essentially -- pussying around the matter, while still suffering the supposed fall-out of the "hard-line" approach, namely considerable push-back from the international community? Literally every other approach would have been better than what the Israeli government is currently doing. Consider options such as:



Scenario "Carthage"

When this whole thing started, I opined that the only way Israel will ever have stable peace is to remove all muslims from its territory, and deport all of them to the Arab regions to the East. (A viable way to do this without effective and organised state opposition is to forcibly march them all into Syria, which is in turmoil anyway.) Not just the Gaza Strip, mind you, but the West Bank as well. (And as I suggested then: an ideal follow-up move, if feasible, would be to occupy Lebanon, deport all Muslims therefrom as well, and make that into a state for Christian Arabs -- also with zero Muslims ever to be allowed in again.) Of course, make sure to destroy all mosques, and especially the Al-Aqsa mosque. After that, rebuild the Jewish temple to make a clear statement: no place for Islam is this region, ever again.

Fortunately, Israel has an active nuclear deterrent to keep the Muslim states from playing stupid games when this plan gets carried out. It's always essential that you are able to 100% guarantee the annihilation of anyone who would existentially threaten you. Getting nukes and never giving them has probably been the wisest decision Israel ever made, and it's what would enable them -- if they ever stop being foolish -- to carry out a real solution to their festering problem.



Scenario "Poznań"

If this approach is too hardcore for weak leaders to carry out (presumably due to a desire to avoid "internationalising" the conflict in any way), then the second-best option would be to destroy only the Gaza Strip. This could be achieved by cutting off all access and utilities. Nothing in, nothing out. No water, no electricity, no internet. It would be necessary to ensure full control of the Egypt-facing border, but otherwise, no direct action needed. It would be best to actively bomb known food storages and water reservoirs, of course. They quicker they face thirst and hunger, the quicker they yield. When they do, forcibly deport them to the West Bank.

(Obviously, if you want to engage in active military incursions, that's an option, but I doubt it would be usefull. Regardless, I strongly advise against ever negotiating with terrorists. Treat all hostages as if they're already dead. Always do that. Hostage-taking stops if there's no way it gets results!)

Annex the Gaza Strip, but (being reasonable), remove the Jewish settlers from the West Bank. Move those to the former Gaza Strip, to colonise that land for Israel. Fully annex East Jerusalem and surroundings, though, and remove all Muslims therefrom (and from anywhere else in Israel) to the West Bank. Wall it off completely, and declare the West Bank to be Palestine. Again, level the Al-Aqsa mosque and rebuild the temple. Issue a decree that for every attack from Palestine on Israel, there will be punitive action and subsequent annexations. (This is something @Abhorsen suggested as a primary strategy, but I consider this plan to be second-best, because it demands that the will to actually follow up without mercy has to be maintained indefinitely. I prefer to solve the issue in one fell swoop, by removing all Muslims from the region forever.)



Scenario "Alesia"

If the second-best plan outlined above is still too hardcore for the pussies in charge, then at least make the "starvation strategy" for the Gaza Strip your main approach. Shut everything down and tell the fuckers that unless and until they release all living hostages, and all members of Hamas surrender in their underwear, you'll let everyone in the Gaza Strip starve to death. This doesn't solve the issue of all so-called "Palestinians", but it's at least a thorough and pretty definitive response to the terrorism of Hamas. And you don't have to send your own soldiers in to die.



...The main point here is that Gaza relies fully on water and food (and other supplies) from the outside. If you follow the principles of (any of) the scenarios briefly outlined above, the matter would be over in a month at the very most. Less, if you effectively target (especially) their pre-existing water supply. For instance, by air-dropping aggressive poison in all reservoirs. But instead, this shit has been dragged out for over half a year now. There is no good reason for this. All the above would result in condemnation from foreign actors, but... who cares? The current, weak and hopeless approach is also getting that condemnation!

I add that my preferred approach -- the most drastic one -- will of course yield the strongest push-back, but it conversely has the inherent advantage that it ultimately presents the world with a fait accompli. It might make Israel a bit of a 'black sheep' for maybe 20 years or so, but after that... people have moved on. Relations are normalised. And there will never again be talk of "Palestinians". They'll all just be Arabs, now living among other Arabs, to the East of Israel. Where they belong. The other scenarios might face less push-back, but they also address the problem less comprehensively. Leaving a rotting wound to fester is never good.

As such, my advice to the Israelis remains what it has been from the start: solve the matter, and solve it for good.

Your main solution isn't going to happen in an israeli democracy which Is why I think said democracy is going to be replaced by a strong man who will forcibly use such methods.
 

Skallagrim

Well-known member
Your main solution isn't going to happen in an israeli democracy which Is why I think said democracy is going to be replaced by a strong man who will forcibly use such methods.

A David to crush the barbarians; a Solomon to build the temple.

Let it be so.
 

DarthOne

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Some times in order for a country and civilization to survive you have to go into dark places.

That is true. And America and Europe are, unfortunately no exception. No matter how much, I or any of you might wish otherwise. Though there may still be time to make such methods unnecessary.
 

Jormungandr

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No. Europe is already dealing with Muslim refugees and the socio-political fallout already.
We're being swamped with the fucking barbarian hordes.

The elites and deluded Leftists think that's a good thing; meanwhile, the native populations across Europe and the UK are suffering from rapes, attacks, murders, and thievery on a scale like Robocop's Detroit. smh
 

TheRejectionist

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What I don't get is: why have the Israelis been -- essentially -- pussying around the matter, while still suffering the supposed fall-out of the "hard-line" approach, namely considerable push-back from the international community? Literally every other approach would have been better than what the Israeli government is currently doing. Consider options such as:



Scenario "Carthage"

When this whole thing started, I opined that the only way Israel will ever have stable peace is to remove all muslims from its territory, and deport all of them to the Arab regions to the East. (A viable way to do this without effective and organised state opposition is to forcibly march them all into Syria, which is in turmoil anyway.) Not just the Gaza Strip, mind you, but the West Bank as well. (And as I suggested then: an ideal follow-up move, if feasible, would be to occupy Lebanon, deport all Muslims therefrom as well, and make that into a state for Christian Arabs -- also with zero Muslims ever to be allowed in again.) Of course, make sure to destroy all mosques, and especially the Al-Aqsa mosque. After that, rebuild the Jewish temple to make a clear statement: no place for Islam is this region, ever again.

Fortunately, Israel has an active nuclear deterrent to keep the Muslim states from playing stupid games when this plan gets carried out. It's always essential that you are able to 100% guarantee the annihilation of anyone who would existentially threaten you. Getting nukes and never giving them has probably been the wisest decision Israel ever made, and it's what would enable them -- if they ever stop being foolish -- to carry out a real solution to their festering problem.



Scenario "Poznań"

If this approach is too hardcore for weak leaders to carry out (presumably due to a desire to avoid "internationalising" the conflict in any way), then the second-best option would be to destroy only the Gaza Strip. This could be achieved by cutting off all access and utilities. Nothing in, nothing out. No water, no electricity, no internet. It would be necessary to ensure full control of the Egypt-facing border, but otherwise, no direct action needed. It would be best to actively bomb known food storages and water reservoirs, of course. They quicker they face thirst and hunger, the quicker they yield. When they do, forcibly deport them to the West Bank.

(Obviously, if you want to engage in active military incursions, that's an option, but I doubt it would be usefull. Regardless, I strongly advise against ever negotiating with terrorists. Treat all hostages as if they're already dead. Always do that. Hostage-taking stops if there's no way it gets results!)

Annex the Gaza Strip, but (being reasonable), remove the Jewish settlers from the West Bank. Move those to the former Gaza Strip, to colonise that land for Israel. Fully annex East Jerusalem and surroundings, though, and remove all Muslims therefrom (and from anywhere else in Israel) to the West Bank. Wall it off completely, and declare the West Bank to be Palestine. Again, level the Al-Aqsa mosque and rebuild the temple. Issue a decree that for every attack from Palestine on Israel, there will be punitive action and subsequent annexations. (This is something @Abhorsen suggested as a primary strategy, but I consider this plan to be second-best, because it demands that the will to actually follow up without mercy has to be maintained indefinitely. I prefer to solve the issue in one fell swoop, by removing all Muslims from the region forever.)



Scenario "Alesia"

If the second-best plan outlined above is still too hardcore for the pussies in charge, then at least make the "starvation strategy" for the Gaza Strip your main approach. Shut everything down and tell the fuckers that unless and until they release all living hostages, and all members of Hamas surrender in their underwear, you'll let everyone in the Gaza Strip starve to death. This doesn't solve the issue of all so-called "Palestinians", but it's at least a thorough and pretty definitive response to the terrorism of Hamas. And you don't have to send your own soldiers in to die.



...The main point here is that Gaza relies fully on water and food (and other supplies) from the outside. If you follow the principles of (any of) the scenarios briefly outlined above, the matter would be over in a month at the very most. Less, if you effectively target (especially) their pre-existing water supply. For instance, by air-dropping aggressive poison in all reservoirs. But instead, this shit has been dragged out for over half a year now. There is no good reason for this. All the above would result in condemnation from foreign actors, but... who cares? The current, weak and hopeless approach is also getting that condemnation!

I add that my preferred approach -- the most drastic one -- will of course yield the strongest push-back, but it conversely has the inherent advantage that it ultimately presents the world with a fait accompli. It might make Israel a bit of a 'black sheep' for maybe 20 years or so, but after that... people have moved on. Relations are normalised. And there will never again be talk of "Palestinians". They'll all just be Arabs, now living among other Arabs, to the East of Israel. Where they belong. The other scenarios might face less push-back, but they also address the problem less comprehensively. Leaving a rotting wound to fester is never good.

As such, my advice to the Israelis remains what it has been from the start: solve the matter, and solve it for good.
Yeah you forget that not all Israeli have been on board on this or at least not the way it has been conducted.
You entered a room with two Israeli, regardless of sex or age, and you are going to have 7 opinions each with own clauses and variations.
Some countries hold grudges for almost a century : see Poland everytime the EU wanted to do something and it said "WW2". Or Turks who still can't politically recognize the genocide (even though a larger number of the new generations disagree) and so on.
Serbs, Bosniaks, Croats in Bosnia still hold a grudge against each other for what happened 30 years ago. Some Hutus that fled Rwanda after committing the genocide are still of the same opinion of their fathers or grandfathers and the Tutsi are forgiving as long as they don't pull another one and Kagame stays President.
20 years is an optimistic scenario. Not everybody is Henry Kissinger. Not everyone, be politician or regular folks can be a Bismarckian cold-blooded prostitute like Boris Johnson.

Israel has lost the optics war, it looks bad even to people on the in Europe and the West (see Candance Owens, Carlson and even Alex Jones. Even here, a notorious and well known conservative YT channel, they are criticizing and asking questions about Israel :

 

Marduk

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What I don't get is: why have the Israelis been -- essentially -- pussying around the matter, while still suffering the supposed fall-out of the "hard-line" approach, namely considerable push-back from the international community? Literally every other approach would have been better than what the Israeli government is currently doing. Consider options such as:



Scenario "Carthage"

When this whole thing started, I opined that the only way Israel will ever have stable peace is to remove all muslims from its territory, and deport all of them to the Arab regions to the East. (A viable way to do this without effective and organised state opposition is to forcibly march them all into Syria, which is in turmoil anyway.) Not just the Gaza Strip, mind you, but the West Bank as well. (And as I suggested then: an ideal follow-up move, if feasible, would be to occupy Lebanon, deport all Muslims therefrom as well, and make that into a state for Christian Arabs -- also with zero Muslims ever to be allowed in again.) Of course, make sure to destroy all mosques, and especially the Al-Aqsa mosque. After that, rebuild the Jewish temple to make a clear statement: no place for Islam is this region, ever again.

Fortunately, Israel has an active nuclear deterrent to keep the Muslim states from playing stupid games when this plan gets carried out. It's always essential that you are able to 100% guarantee the annihilation of anyone who would existentially threaten you. Getting nukes and never giving them has probably been the wisest decision Israel ever made, and it's what would enable them -- if they ever stop being foolish -- to carry out a real solution to their festering problem.



Scenario "Poznań"

If this approach is too hardcore for weak leaders to carry out (presumably due to a desire to avoid "internationalising" the conflict in any way), then the second-best option would be to destroy only the Gaza Strip. This could be achieved by cutting off all access and utilities. Nothing in, nothing out. No water, no electricity, no internet. It would be necessary to ensure full control of the Egypt-facing border, but otherwise, no direct action needed. It would be best to actively bomb known food storages and water reservoirs, of course. They quicker they face thirst and hunger, the quicker they yield. When they do, forcibly deport them to the West Bank.

(Obviously, if you want to engage in active military incursions, that's an option, but I doubt it would be usefull. Regardless, I strongly advise against ever negotiating with terrorists. Treat all hostages as if they're already dead. Always do that. Hostage-taking stops if there's no way it gets results!)

Annex the Gaza Strip, but (being reasonable), remove the Jewish settlers from the West Bank. Move those to the former Gaza Strip, to colonise that land for Israel. Fully annex East Jerusalem and surroundings, though, and remove all Muslims therefrom (and from anywhere else in Israel) to the West Bank. Wall it off completely, and declare the West Bank to be Palestine. Again, level the Al-Aqsa mosque and rebuild the temple. Issue a decree that for every attack from Palestine on Israel, there will be punitive action and subsequent annexations. (This is something @Abhorsen suggested as a primary strategy, but I consider this plan to be second-best, because it demands that the will to actually follow up without mercy has to be maintained indefinitely. I prefer to solve the issue in one fell swoop, by removing all Muslims from the region forever.)



Scenario "Alesia"

If the second-best plan outlined above is still too hardcore for the pussies in charge, then at least make the "starvation strategy" for the Gaza Strip your main approach. Shut everything down and tell the fuckers that unless and until they release all living hostages, and all members of Hamas surrender in their underwear, you'll let everyone in the Gaza Strip starve to death. This doesn't solve the issue of all so-called "Palestinians", but it's at least a thorough and pretty definitive response to the terrorism of Hamas. And you don't have to send your own soldiers in to die.



...The main point here is that Gaza relies fully on water and food (and other supplies) from the outside. If you follow the principles of (any of) the scenarios briefly outlined above, the matter would be over in a month at the very most. Less, if you effectively target (especially) their pre-existing water supply. For instance, by air-dropping aggressive poison in all reservoirs. But instead, this shit has been dragged out for over half a year now. There is no good reason for this. All the above would result in condemnation from foreign actors, but... who cares? The current, weak and hopeless approach is also getting that condemnation!

I add that my preferred approach -- the most drastic one -- will of course yield the strongest push-back, but it conversely has the inherent advantage that it ultimately presents the world with a fait accompli. It might make Israel a bit of a 'black sheep' for maybe 20 years or so, but after that... people have moved on. Relations are normalised. And there will never again be talk of "Palestinians". They'll all just be Arabs, now living among other Arabs, to the East of Israel. Where they belong. The other scenarios might face less push-back, but they also address the problem less comprehensively. Leaving a rotting wound to fester is never good.

As such, my advice to the Israelis remains what it has been from the start: solve the matter, and solve it for good.
Those plans have two fatal problems. The internal and international political fallout of destroying Islam's holy site combined with actual grand war crime of starving a civilian population would be devastating to Israel and likely lead to loss of power by whoever started this plan. Israel is highly dependent on western countries for its economy and the sheer amount of related costs involved in this would be challenging to it even if their economics and logistics were assured to remain unaffected otherwise, which in such scenario would be very much untrue.

Even going to less ambitious variations, there comes the second problem - *where* to deport the few millions of Palestinian Arabs?
The other Arabs don't want them, they didn't help train them to be as much trouble as possible to suffer their presence themselves after all.
We're talking full scale war on some nearby Arab state and anyone who feels like joining in on its defense.
You barely touched on it with Hezbollah, we're talking conquering Lebanon completely and massively restructuring it on all levels, including demographics. And that may not be enough, it's barely functional without war, squeezing in all the Arabs that would need to be moved there in even remotely politically acceptable manner (as in it won't be equivalent to killing a good chunk of them) would be near impossible with the existing infrastructure.
Maybe throw in a chunk of Syria and dump some into West Bank too and you may get close to sensible numbers.
Israel has lost the optics war, it looks bad even to people on the in Europe and the West (see Candance Owens, Carlson and even Alex Jones. Even here, a notorious and well known conservative YT channel, they are criticizing and asking questions about Israel :


Anti-establishment, not staunch right wing or conservative ones. Center or center right at most.
 

Abhorsen

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The issues with the approaches above is that Israel is winning. Long term, because of the Iran/Saudi hate, Israel's win con is to take a knee and let the clock run out, while it normalizes relations with a bunch of different countries.

In an ideal world, all Israel needs to do is wrap this up and get back to status quo, and they win after another few decades.

Even here, a notorious and well known conservative YT channel, they are criticizing and asking questions about Israel :
That's not a conservative YT channel. At all. That's a progressive and a cucked conservative's channel.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
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Called this months ago.

The remaining missing hostages are either ash and bone fragments, buried in a hole (like the hospital pit they found), or entombed in sealed off tunnels or rooms somewhere... after being raped and tortured, of course.

Israel just needs to fucking end this. The rats are just stalling for time because they know the executioner's blade is hanging above their heads, ready to drop.

Their expected "jihad" didn't materialize because the other Middle-Eastern nations didn't want to know or rug-pulled promised support (e.g. Iran) at worst, condemned them at best, and they're realizing that they're nothing but expendable cats' paws.
Yeah, I expected very few hostages would be found alive or returned, once they were in Gaza.

The ones Israel did get out are miracles really.
Send them to Europe with the other refugees?
Nah, send them back where they came from Egypt or Jordan or other Arab nations; 'Palestinians' don't exist, just Egyptian, Jordanian, and other Arab nationals who got sent to those areas as catspaws against Israel.
Those plans have two fatal problems. The internal and international political fallout of destroying Islam's holy site combined with actual grand war crime of starving a civilian population would be devastating to Israel and likely lead to loss of power by whoever started this plan. Israel is highly dependent on western countries for its economy and the sheer amount of related costs involved in this would be challenging to it even if their economics and logistics were assured to remain unaffected otherwise, which in such scenario would be very much untrue.

Even going to less ambitious variations, there comes the second problem - *where* to deport the few millions of Palestinian Arabs?
The other Arabs don't want them, they didn't help train them to be as much trouble as possible to suffer their presence themselves after all.
We're talking full scale war on some nearby Arab state and anyone who feels like joining in on its defense.
You barely touched on it with Hezbollah, we're talking conquering Lebanon completely and massively restructuring it on all levels, including demographics. And that may not be enough, it's barely functional without war, squeezing in all the Arabs that would need to be moved there in even remotely politically acceptable manner (as in it won't be equivalent to killing a good chunk of them) would be near impossible with the existing infrastructure.
Maybe throw in a chunk of Syria and dump some into West Bank too and you may get close to sensible numbers.

Anti-establishment, not staunch right wing or conservative ones. Center or center right at most.
It's time to stop humoring the false 'nationality' of 'Palestine', and treat them as the Egyptian, Jordanian, or Arab nation nationals the 'Palestinians' actually are.

Expelling the 'Palestinians' is going to happen after all this shit, the only question is whether the people end up in Jordan, Egypt, or other home nations, once their farce of a 'nation' meets it's deserved end.

Warfare is going to be going back to Mongol types of mindsets in most of the world, with the way things are going; the 'nice, clean' warfare of the 20th century West is going to be a thing of the past, more people will just go full Mongol on their enemies if they get a chance.
 

Jormungandr

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Yeah, I expected very few hostages would be found alive or returned, once they were in Gaza.

The ones Israel did get out are miracles really.

Nah, send them back where they came from Egypt or Jordan or other Arab nations; 'Palestinians' don't exist, just Egyptian, Jordanian, and other Arab nationals who got sent to those areas as catspaws against Israel.

It's time to stop humoring the false 'nationality' of 'Palestine', and treat them as the Egyptian, Jordanian, or Arab nation nationals the 'Palestinians' actually are.

Expelling the 'Palestinians' is going to happen after all this shit, the only question is whether the people end up in Jordan, Egypt, or other home nations, once their farce of a 'nation' meets it's deserved end.

Warfare is going to be going back to Mongol types of mindsets in most of the world, with the way things are going; the 'nice, clean' warfare of the 20th century West is going to be a thing of the past, more people will just go full Mongol on their enemies if they get a chance.
Basically, the Palestinians originated as cast-offs from other countries' populations; they're false inheritors, and their claims that the land belonged to them are lies.

However, time has basically forged these cast-offs into their own cultural identity/group in the current day, even if their founding were all based on lies.

Unfortunately for the world at large, that cultural identity/group are batshit insane, inbred religious fundamentalists ultimately driven by falsehoods and deception.
 

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