Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[willdelve4beer]

One could argue that their actions (as well as France's) in the Middle East are what caused Islamic extremism to seize power in the region and flourish in the first place.

An appreciable portion (not all, but more than a little) of the fucked-up-edness of Africa and the Middle East today can be laid at the feet of the British and French, with their divide and conquer approach to colonial governance. They deliberately drew colony lines in a manner to maximize fractitiousness of colonial populations, so as to prevent them from uniting against their overseas rulers. Then as colonization came to an end, the soon-to-be-former colonial powers did everything possible to ensure that the emergent nations would keep to the same, inherently destabilizing, borders. What the Middle East and Africa both need, in many places, is to wipe the slate clean and redraw borders to better match local loyalty groups. If Europe and Asia can have ethnic nation states, there is no reason that the Middle East and Africa can't as well. The sacralization of borders drawn up in the 19th and 20th centuries by european imperialists has always been absurd, and it has long since become actively murderous.

 

[mrttao]

An appreciable portion (not all, but more than a little) of the fucked-up-edness of Africa and the Middle East today can be laid at the feet of the British and French, with their divide and conquer approach to colonial governance. They deliberately drew colony lines in a manner to maximize fractitiousness of colonial populations, so as to prevent them from uniting against their overseas rulers. Then as colonization came to an end, the soon-to-be-former colonial powers did everything possible to ensure that the emergent nations would keep to the same, inherently destabilizing, borders. What the Middle East and Africa both need, in many places, is to wipe the slate clean and redraw borders to better match local loyalty groups. If Europe and Asia can have ethnic nation states, there is no reason that the Middle East and Africa can't as well. The sacralization of borders drawn up in the 19th and 20th centuries by european imperialists has always been absurd, and it has long since become actively murderous.

Oh hey... it is literally the meme.

 

[Jormungandr]

London November 11: ONE MILLION march for Palestine

The barbarians aren’t at the gates. They’ve moved into the house and made themselves at home. And we helped them and let them do it.

Fucking disgraceful.

Additionally, an MP was unceremoniously fired for openly stating what everyone who isn't in government or a Leftist is thinking: Multiculturalism is not just an utter farce but a complete failure, migrants do not integrate but segregate, and they've ultimately been a fucking disaster for Britain.

To top it all off, an unelected Prime Minister has brought back David fucking Cameron to an important post as a Lord -- you know, the guy who everyone fucking hated more than Theresa May for fucking things up constantly?

Let's not go into Saddiq fucking Khan, who has Islamist tendencies ("Terrorism is just a part of living in a big city" my fucking arse!).

We're just as fucked as the Americans.

 

[LordsFire]

An appreciable portion (not all, but more than a little) of the fucked-up-edness of Africa and the Middle East today can be laid at the feet of the British and French, with their divide and conquer approach to colonial governance. They deliberately drew colony lines in a manner to maximize fractitiousness of colonial populations, so as to prevent them from uniting against their overseas rulers. Then as colonization came to an end, the soon-to-be-former colonial powers did everything possible to ensure that the emergent nations would keep to the same, inherently destabilizing, borders. What the Middle East and Africa both need, in many places, is to wipe the slate clean and redraw borders to better match local loyalty groups. If Europe and Asia can have ethnic nation states, there is no reason that the Middle East and Africa can't as well. The sacralization of borders drawn up in the 19th and 20th centuries by european imperialists has always been absurd, and it has long since become actively murderous.

I do not understand why so many people keep repeating leftist clap-trap blaming whitey for all the problems of the world.

1: Do you really think peace is the default state of mankind?
2: Do you really think those tribes were all hunky-dory with each other before the Europeans showed up?
3: Once the Europeans were gone, what stopped the locals from immediately redrawing borders however they pleased?
4: Has it occurred to you that one of the effects of colonialism might have been temporarily stopping constant tribal warfare?

In the decades immediately foll.owing the end of colonialism, some degree of blame could be reasonably put on what the Europeans did before pulling out, and the manner in which they pulled out.

That was seventy years ago now. Given what life expectancy is like in most former colonial possessions, as well as the population growth rate, you've got what, 0.1% of the population who was even alive back then, and a tenth of that who were old enough to have even vague memories of what life was like?

You'd have to be almost ninety to have adult memories of what happened back then.


No, the problems such nations have at this point are almost exclusively their own fault. I'll give westerners a small sliver of remaining responsibility because almost nothing is absolute, but in all seriousness, stop blaming whitey for everything. That's ultimately just repeating communist propaganda from the Cold War.

 

[Largo]

An appreciable portion (not all, but more than a little) of the fucked-up-edness of Africa and the Middle East today can be laid at the feet of the British and French, with their divide and conquer approach to colonial governance. They deliberately drew colony lines in a manner to maximize fractitiousness of colonial populations, so as to prevent them from uniting against their overseas rulers. Then as colonization came to an end, the soon-to-be-former colonial powers did everything possible to ensure that the emergent nations would keep to the same, inherently destabilizing, borders. What the Middle East and Africa both need, in many places, is to wipe the slate clean and redraw borders to better match local loyalty groups. If Europe and Asia can have ethnic nation states, there is no reason that the Middle East and Africa can't as well. The sacralization of borders drawn up in the 19th and 20th centuries by european imperialists has always been absurd, and it has long since become actively murderous.

What kind of person looks at the process of how Europe ended up redrawing their borders to match nationalities and conclude "Yes, this is good, this is what we should do?"

 

[King Arts]

An appreciable portion (not all, but more than a little) of the fucked-up-edness of Africa and the Middle East today can be laid at the feet of the British and French, with their divide and conquer approach to colonial governance. They deliberately drew colony lines in a manner to maximize fractitiousness of colonial populations, so as to prevent them from uniting against their overseas rulers. Then as colonization came to an end, the soon-to-be-former colonial powers did everything possible to ensure that the emergent nations would keep to the same, inherently destabilizing, borders. What the Middle East and Africa both need, in many places, is to wipe the slate clean and redraw borders to better match local loyalty groups. If Europe and Asia can have ethnic nation states, there is no reason that the Middle East and Africa can't as well. The sacralization of borders drawn up in the 19th and 20th centuries by european imperialists has always been absurd, and it has long since become actively murderous.

To be fair to the French they tried they did try to civilize Algeria and tried to make the people more modern it was not just oppression like the British did. It's just that the French did not have enough time, they also had to deal with British sabatoge.The British only did one good thing in colonialism and it was in India when they banned Sati. Otherwise they left everything the same.

I'm not condemning colonialism or divide and conquer thats how you get an empire. I'm condemning the British being racist about it. The Romans actually civilized the places they conqured into the Empire and made them better. The British did not do the same to Africa or the middle east.

Oh hey... it is literally the meme.

To be fair memes are based on reality.

Fucking disgraceful.

Additionally, an MP was unceremoniously fired for openly stating what everyone who isn't in government or a Leftist is thinking: Multiculturalism is not just an utter farce but a complete failure, migrants do not integrate but segregate, and they've ultimately been a fucking disaster for Britain.

To top it all off, an unelected Prime Minister has brought back David fucking Cameron to an important post as a Lord -- you know, the guy who everyone fucking hated more than Theresa May for fucking things up constantly?

Let's not go into Saddiq fucking Khan, who has Islamist tendencies ("Terrorism is just a part of living in a big city" my fucking arse!).

We're just as fucked as the Americans.

Hey do you have a licence for you online bigotry sir!

I do not understand why so many people keep repeating leftist clap-trap blaming whitey for all the problems of the world.

1: Do you really think peace is the default state of mankind?
2: Do you really think those tribes were all hunky-dory with each other before the Europeans showed up?
3: Once the Europeans were gone, what stopped the locals from immediately redrawing borders however they pleased?
4: Has it occurred to you that one of the effects of colonialism might have been temporarily stopping constant tribal warfare?

In the decades immediately foll.owing the end of colonialism, some degree of blame could be reasonably put on what the Europeans did before pulling out, and the manner in which they pulled out.

That was seventy years ago now. Given what life expectancy is like in most former colonial possessions, as well as the population growth rate, you've got what, 0.1% of the population who was even alive back then, and a tenth of that who were old enough to have even vague memories of what life was like?

You'd have to be almost ninety to have adult memories of what happened back then.


No, the problems such nations have at this point are almost exclusively their own fault. I'll give westerners a small sliver of remaining responsibility because almost nothing is absolute, but in all seriousness, stop blaming whitey for everything. That's ultimately just repeating communist propaganda from the Cold War.

Now this is a bit of a silly argument isn't it? I mean you acknowledge that 70 years ago the place was fucked up. Things don't just magically clean themselves up. Cleaning up is hard work, and it's even harder when you are stuck as a pawn between U.S. and Communist interests.

What kind of person looks at the process of how Europe ended up redrawing their borders to match nationalities and conclude "Yes, this is good, this is what we should do?"

Well what else would you base nationhood on?

 

[King Arts]

Actually, those cowboys who went to help in Israel are likely people who are Jewish, or have Jewish friends or neighbors.

A lot of Jewish immigrants moved out to the Great Plains and Rockies in the late 1800s, during the frontier days, and Jewish settlers also set up National Jewish Respiratory Hospital and others in Denver during the TB epidemic during the late 1800s, where hundreds and thousands of TB sufferers were able to recover in the thin, dry air not available on the coasts.

The gratitude they will get for helping out in Israel is the gratitude not just of people in Israel, but gratitude back home as well; you really don't seem to get how many people in the US support Israel because we know people who are dual US/Israeli citizens and consider them part of our communities, even when they are in Israel.

Hmm so are dual citizens in all countries great and are "part of our communities" even Chinese who live in China? Or Russians in Russia? You and many evangelicals seem to give a double standard that favors the Jews.

 

[Largo]

Well what else would you base nationhood on?

You could, I dunno, go with what the African countries have actually decided. Which is that even if the political boundaries don't exactly match up with national boundaries, reenacting the World Wars to fix it is not worth it.

 

[Bacle]

Hmm so are dual citizens in all countries great and are "part of our communities" even Chinese who live in China? Or Russians in Russia? You and many evangelicals seem to give a double standard that favors the Jews.

It's not a double standard, it's understanding friend/enemy distinctions and the different cultural background involved. Israel is not a hostile culture or military power; Russia and the CCP are both.

The fact is many of Jewish families came to the US before modern Israel was established, and when Israel was establish some became dual citizens and have had kids who are dual citizens (or just do the whole Return trip to Israel at least once).

But this was just another lame gotcha attempt by you, so I doubt you will accept that context matters in why your example is farcical.

 

[King Arts]

You could, I dunno, go with what the African countries have actually decided. Which is that even if the political boundaries don't exactly match up with national boundaries, reenacting the World Wars to fix it is not worth it.

Possibly but eventually those countries will turn into nations then. After all whether it's worth it or not is a matter of opinion people want to be with their kin. And making the borders so that groups are seperate was cruel, it even did lead to many wars in Africa.

And again it does bring up the question why are these legitimate nations? Why should it's citizens sacrafice for it or give it more loyalty than mere obedience to laws? Why should they enlist in it's armies or be patriotic?

 

[King Arts]

It's not a double standard, it's understanding friend/enemy distinctions and the different cultural background involved. Israel is not a hostile culture or military power; Russia and the CCP are both.

The fact is many of Jewish families came to the US before modern Israel was established, and when Israel was establish some became dual citizens and have had kids who are dual citizens (or just do the whole Return trip to Israel at least once).

But this was just another lame gotcha attempt by you, so I doubt you will accept that context matters in why your example is farcical.

All nations are hostile potentially, and all are allies potentially in real poltic. And Israel and it's supporters HAVE harmed the U.S.

Jonathan Pollard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Many on the right warn of Chinese influence(and to be fair there is some truth to this) World Journal - Wikipedia

Yet they seem to either be silent or welcome influence of Israel. Honestly the FBI is wasting it's time watching traditional Catholics, instead they should look at Evangelicals like John Hagee and other people who believe your praise Israel no matter what ideology that seems like a bigger threat to national security.

 

[Bacle]

All nations are hostile potentially, and all are allies potentially in real poltic. And Israel and it's supporters HAVE harmed the U.S.

Jonathan Pollard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Many on the right warn of Chinese influence(and to be fair there is some truth to this) World Journal - Wikipedia

Yet they seem to either be silent or welcome influence of Israel. Honestly the FBI is wasting it's time watching traditional Catholics, instead they should look at Evangelicals like John Hagee and other people who believe your praise Israel no matter what ideology that seems like a bigger threat to national security.

Compared to what the Russians and CCP have done to the US, this barely even registers, as almost no one has ever even heard of this dude; I had not until now.

It also is no where near enough reason to stop supporting Israel.

In fact, most support for Israel in the US is down to shared culture and the fact that Israel and the US are have the two largest populations of Jews anywhere in the world.

Viewing Israel through the 'military ally' lens is something not many in the US do, compared to the cultural and social ties.

In fact the only people I see bitching about US support for Israel tend to be people who want an isolationist US and want to screw all our allies for being 'imperfect', or people who simply hate Jews but know they cannot outright call for a Second Holocaust.

So which are you, the first or second?

 

[King Arts]

So which are you, the first or second?

Go cry "Muh Natzee, mut antisemtism!" somemore. Here's the thing actual Jew haters who are on the down low as opposed to open about it, will support Hamas. I've never supported Hamas they are terrorists who murdered innocent Jews. Does that answer your question? Also I'm not an isolationist. I want to maintain alliances with most of our European allies as well as South Korea and Japan. I just don't care about Israel.

Compared to what the Russians and CCP have done to the US, this barely even registers, as almost no one has ever even heard of this dude; I had not until now.

It also is no where near enough reason to stop supporting Israel.

In fact, most support for Israel in the US is down to shared culture and the fact that Israel and the US are have the two largest populations of Jews anywhere in the world.

Viewing Israel through the 'military ally' lens is something not many in the US do, compared to the cultural and social ties.

In fact the only people I see bitching about US support for Israel tend to be people who want an isolationist US and want to screw all our allies for being 'imperfect', or people who simply hate Jews but know they cannot outright call for a Second Holocaust

It does not "barely even register" it's quite severe also there are more. I'm not going to waste my time digging and listing everything when you are a dishonest debater who won't change your mind no matter what, and are also racist against arabs. Also you being ignorant about it does not matter, your lobby making sure it is more silent than usual and pointing to other groups like the Chinese or Russians to deflect also doesn't matter, don't you usually bitch about mainstream news?

Anyway seeing Israel as a "cultural" ally seems to only be a thing with boomers and neocons. And at least one good thing about the young is that they are going to cut those ties. Hopefully the Americans who are lobbying hard will be investigated, and be monitored like the Catholics are and Muslims were.

 

[LordsFire]

Now this is a bit of a silly argument isn't it? I mean you acknowledge that 70 years ago the place was fucked up. Things don't just magically clean themselves up. Cleaning up is hard work, and it's even harder when you are stuck as a pawn between U.S. and Communist interests.

If a thief comes into your house and ransacks it, you don't leave it a mess and complain until the thief comes back to clean it up for you.

You clean the mess up yourself. You need to live there, it's your bloody house.

It's not your fault that the thief came in and messed the place up, but it is your fault if you don't clean, especially for weeks, months, or years afterwards.


And this is an extremely uncharitable metaphor towards the Europeans. While some ruled as murderous thugs, particularly the Belgian Congo, most nations were left with more technological and civil infrastructure after the Europeans left than when they first arrived, and were not as universally bad as leftists like to make out.

A bad/abusive roommate who left a lot of their valuable stuff behind when they moved out would be a better comparison for most former colonies.

 

[Bacle]

Go cry "Muh Natzee, mut antisemtism!" somemore. Here's the thing actual Jew haters who are on the down low as opposed to open about it, will support Hamas. I've never supported Hamas they are terrorists who murdered innocent Jews. Does that answer your question? Also I'm not an isolationist. I want to maintain alliances with most of our European allies as well as South Korea and Japan. I just don't care about Israel.

And yet you seemed really upset by my position on supporting Ukraine and calling out vatnik/people who are taking the Kremlin's line at face value multiple times, and tend to try to gotcha me with your BS in multiple threads.

And your posts about the Hamas and Israel conflict are more about trying to 'gotcha' people or act as a contrarian for the sake of trolling, than anything else. You condemnation of Hamas seems to be secondary to trying to pull some sort of 'gotcha' on people.

In fact most of your posts on this forum are one type of 'gotcha' attempt or similar against posters here, rather than anything else.

It does not "barely even register" it's quite severe also there are more. I'm not going to waste my time digging and listing everything when you are a dishonest debater who won't change your mind no matter what, and are also racist against arabs. Also you being ignorant about it does not matter, your lobby making sure it is more silent than usual and pointing to other groups like the Chinese or Russians to deflect also doesn't matter, don't you usually bitch about mainstream news?

You notice I haven't disparaged the Arab-Israeli's; so your supposition that I hate Arabs is a complete falsehood and you making shit up. I haven't shit on the Hashemite's or Bedouins either, you may have noticed.

But that's par for the course with you; if it wasn't for attacking strawmen and 'gotcha' attempts, you'd barely have any posts at all.

Anyway seeing Israel as a "cultural" ally seems to only be a thing with boomers and neocons. And at least one good thing about the young is that they are going to cut those ties. Hopefully the Americans who are lobbying hard will be investigated, and be monitored like the Catholics are and Muslims were.

Wow, you really hate Israel influence in the US and the influence of US Jews on foreign policy, don't you?

And that you see people buying into the lies of Hamas and friends as a 'good thing' is horrendous; because when you say:

And at least one good thing about the young is that they are going to cut those ties.

You drop the mask and let out what you really feel, which is that it is better for people in the US to dislike Israel than it is for them to consider Israel an ally.

Your mindset would fit right in at one of the anti-Israel/pro-Hamas rallies that have been happening in the west; your ideology gives the jihadi's free reign to fuck with Israel and want the US to let them.

 

[King Arts]

And yet you seemed really upset by my position on supporting Ukraine and calling out vatnik/people who are taking the Kremlin's line at face value multiple times, and tend to try to gotcha me with your BS in multiple threads.

And your posts about the Hamas and Israel conflict are more about trying to 'gotcha' people or act as a contrarian for the sake of trolling, than anything else. You condemnation of Hamas seems to be secondary to trying to pull some sort of 'gotcha' on people.

In fact most of your posts on this forum are one type of 'gotcha' attempt or similar against posters here, rather than anything else.

I was supporting American's right to be neutral in the Ukraine conflict, something you vehemently hate. I myself support giving weapons and aid to Ukraine, I do not support bringing them in NATO or fighting Russia ourselves. I want buffers between NATO and Russia. You see this as some grand crusade against the Russian barbarian orcs. Your ideology is dangerous and likely to lead to Americans dying to feed your self important ego.

You notice I haven't disparaged the Arab-Israeli's; so your supposition that I hate Arabs is a complete falsehood and you making shit up. I haven't shit on the Hashemite's or Bedouins either, you may have noticed.

But that's par for the course with you; if it wasn't for attacking strawmen and 'gotcha' attempts, you'd barely have any posts at all.

You've made countless racist statements about Palestinians, Chinese and Russians. Calling you a racist is not a falsehood. Honestly your ploy about not talking about one group is no diffrent than if someone who hates Jews was called an anti semite and they say "I haven't disparaged Arabs, so your supposition that I am an anti semite is a complete falsehood."

You obviously see them as less worthy of life and freedom compared to others particularly Israeli Jews.

Oh and on attacking strawmen pot meet kettle just look at your next quotes.

Wow, you really hate Israel influence in the US and the influence of US Jews on foreign policy, don't you?

And that you see people buying into the lies of Hamas and friends as a 'good thing' is horrendous; because when you say:

You are accusing me of saying there is some Jewish conspiracy?
But anyway why should Israeli influence in the U.S. be good. Are you America first or are you just a foreign agent bacle. Maybe we should deport the neocucks and evangelicals to Israel since they love it so much.

I mean why can't we use this argument with the Chinese? "China is our ally we should support them over Taiwan we helped them against the Japanese in ww2. Why do you really hate Chinese influence in the US?"

You drop the mask and let out what you really feel, which is that it is better for people in the US to dislike Israel than it is for them to consider Israel an ally.

Your mindset would fit right in at one of the anti-Israel/pro-Hamas rallies that have been happening in the west; your ideology gives the jihadi's free reign to fuck with Israel and want the US to let them.

Yes why should we consider Israel an ally many people see no reason too. It's only a certain demographic that thinks otherwise.

And Israel can handle the Jihadi's themselves, U.S. does not need to let anything we don't need to be world police to let people do anything. Let nations stand or fall on their own unless we ACTUALLY HAVE a friendship/alliance with them.

 

[Jormungandr]

To be fair to the French they tried they did try to civilize Algeria and tried to make the people more modern it was not just oppression like the British did. It's just that the French did not have enough time, they also had to deal with British sabatoge.The British only did one good thing in colonialism and it was in India when they banned Sati. Otherwise they left everything the same.

I'm not condemning colonialism or divide and conquer thats how you get an empire. I'm condemning the British being racist about it. The Romans actually civilized the places they conqured into the Empire and made them better. The British did not do the same to Africa or the middle east.

To be fair memes are based on reality.

Hey do you have a licence for you online bigotry sir!


Now this is a bit of a silly argument isn't it? I mean you acknowledge that 70 years ago the place was fucked up. Things don't just magically clean themselves up. Cleaning up is hard work, and it's even harder when you are stuck as a pawn between U.S. and Communist interests.


Well what else would you base nationhood on?

You know, I'll reply to you for once because I accidentally clicked on "show ignored content" and noticed my name there. I'll get a warning/points from the staff here for numerous rule-breakings, but I'll gladly take the hit because I need to say this before I stick you back on ignore.

Bigotry? This is incredibly ironic coming from the guy who thinks Europe's native populations (especially the UK's) deserve to be basically genocided and replaced by migrants for both what happened in history and because of Left-aligned cultural/societal values currently reigning throughout Europe (which I also personally mostly disagree with, but that's neither here nor there).

This is coming from the guy who is rabidly anti-British to the point of hilarity/a comedy sketch.

And, yes, these are from your own fucking posts.

You know what the funny thing is? On this board, I like to think I get along with everyone active here; sure, we have disagreements and arguments, but I like the people active on here.

You're the only one on the board I personally dislike because you, in my view and looking at your posts, are either a long-term troll attempt or are an utterly repugnant piece of shit person.

And I never say the last thing lightly. Ever.

So, I can happily say "go fuck yourself with a billy club and have a nice day" before I stick you back on ignore.

Don't bother replying. I won't see it.

 

[Bacle]

I was supporting American's right to be neutral in the Ukraine conflict, something you vehemently hate. I myself support giving weapons and aid to Ukraine, I do not support bringing them in NATO or fighting Russia ourselves. I want buffers between NATO and Russia. You see this as some grand crusade against the Russian barbarian orcs. Your ideology is dangerous and likely to lead to Americans dying to feed your self important ego.

Russians made themselves into orks and their nation into Mordor, no one else.

And there is no 'neutral' position on Ukraine, just like there is no 'neutral' position on Israel vs Hamas.

You've made countless racist statements about Palestinians, Chinese and Russians. Calling you a racist is not a falsehood. Honestly your ploy about not talking about one group is no diffrent than if someone who hates Jews was called an anti semite and they say "I haven't disparaged Arabs, so your supposition that I am an anti semite is a complete falsehood."

You specified Arabs, no one else, and now you expand the scope to attempt another 'gotcha' because I caught you in said falsehood.

And I specify the CCP, not the Chinese people as a whole, for damn good reason; West Taiwan is an illegit gov and the gov of Taiwan is the legit gov of the Chinese people.

Also, if Russian's didn't want to be viewed as orks, maybe they should stop acting like them. I mean Russians are even calling the UA troops 'elves' now, which I guess mean the US is the Valar and Putin is a pathetic version of Sauron or Morgoth.

You obviously see them as less worthy of life and freedom compared to others particularly Israeli Jews.

I see Hamas members and supporters as less valuable then the lives of IDF personnel, which includes Israeli-Arabs in their ranks.

That you conflate that with me hating all Arabs is on you.

Oh and on attacking strawmen pot meet kettle just look at your next quotes.

You mean where I call out your mindset and how Hamas supporters/anti-Israel groups like having people like you around.

You are accusing me of saying there is some Jewish conspiracy?

No, just saying that your views are very much of the sort that wants the US to abandon Israel as an 'ally' and that you obviously resent the fact that Jewish people in America generally support policies that support Israel.

That's not a conspiracy, it's your politics and rhetoric put into context of what it would actually mean and what it means to people in the US who do support Israel.

But anyway why should Israeli influence in the U.S. be good. Are you America first or are you just a foreign agent bacle. Maybe we should deport the neocucks and evangelicals to Israel since they love it so much.

Israeli influence in the US is no more harmful than the Japanese influence or Irish influence.

Also, good luck deporting people for supporting Israel, that you thought that was a good argument alone shows how much you resent the non-isolationist parts of the US political spectrum.

I mean why can't we use this argument with the Chinese? "China is our ally we should support them over Taiwan we helped them against the Japanese in ww2. Why do you really hate Chinese influence in the US?"

Because the CCP have undertaken massive intellectual property theft, have occupied Tibet illegally, and have been gutting the oceanic biome with their poacher fleets.

Taiwan hasn't done any of that.

Of course none of that matters, because all you want is your stupid 'gotcha' attempts to make you seem 'oh so enlightened'.

Yes why should we consider Israel an ally many people see no reason too. It's only a certain demographic that thinks otherwise.

Most people in the US do consider Israel an ally, and if they are part of the anti-Israel crowd, they are also probably part of the wokies who have crossed their social streams with jihadi supporters.

Or did you miss the BLM money going to Hamas and friends?

Most of the people who are against Israel are already my political enemies, and will drive large parts of the sane liberals away from the progressives when they don't want to be stuck with the 'Hamas supporter' label.

And Israel can handle the Jihadi's themselves, U.S. does not need to let anything we don't need to be world police to let people do anything. Let nations stand or fall on their own unless we ACTUALLY HAVE a friendship/alliance with them.

Israel needs the US because of the massive anti-Israel bias in the UN General Assembly and the fact that US veto power is routinely used to tamp down anti-Israel/antisemetic bullshit in the UN.

And we do have a friendship and alliance with Israel, even if you and people like you do not want to acknowledge that.

 

[Grimalkin]

An appreciable portion (not all, but more than a little) of the fucked-up-edness of Africa and the Middle East today can be laid at the feet of the British and French, with their divide and conquer approach to colonial governance. They deliberately drew colony lines in a manner to maximize fractitiousness of colonial populations, so as to prevent them from uniting against their overseas rulers. Then as colonization came to an end, the soon-to-be-former colonial powers did everything possible to ensure that the emergent nations would keep to the same, inherently destabilizing, borders. What the Middle East and Africa both need, in many places, is to wipe the slate clean and redraw borders to better match local loyalty groups. If Europe and Asia can have ethnic nation states, there is no reason that the Middle East and Africa can't as well. The sacralization of borders drawn up in the 19th and 20th centuries by european imperialists has always been absurd, and it has long since become actively murderous.

Well that's largely because they weren't fucking morons, the muslims were the greatest threat to their own civilisation and the colonial authorities back then were smart enough to recognise that fact and take preventative actions against it. The only thing that's changed is that the population and the politicians have become complacent, I've made the point before on this thread that the instability of muslim nations is largely due to western interference but that doesn't mean it wasn't in the west's best interest to cause instability in those regions.

The only flaw in that strategy was the fact that they let immigrants and refugees invade their culture immediately after causing that instability.

Bigotry? This is incredibly ironic coming from the guy who thinks Europe's native populations (especially the UK's) deserve to be basically genocided and replaced by migrants for both what happened in history and because of Left-aligned cultural/societal values currently reigning throughout Europe (which I also personally mostly disagree with, but that's neither here nor there).

Honestly I kind of agree with the guy, not because anything that happened in history but mostly because Europe is fucking weak and we don't seem to have the spine to stand up for ourselves. This is just natural selection on a larger scale as far as I'm concerned, and the superior culture is the one who fucking survives.

We're too fucking civilized, and our ideas don't have any teeth behind them anymore.

 

[King Arts]

If a thief comes into your house and ransacks it, you don't leave it a mess and complain until the thief comes back to clean it up for you.

You clean the mess up yourself. You need to live there, it's your bloody house.

It's not your fault that the thief came in and messed the place up, but it is your fault if you don't clean, especially for weeks, months, or years afterwards.


And this is an extremely uncharitable metaphor towards the Europeans. While some ruled as murderous thugs, particularly the Belgian Congo, most nations were left with more technological and civil infrastructure after the Europeans left than when they first arrived, and were not as universally bad as leftists like to make out.

A bad/abusive roommate who left a lot of their valuable stuff behind when they moved out would be a better comparison for most former colonies.

Ahh I see what you mean and you do have a bit of a point, and other peoples/ethnic groups would be able to bounce back faster. But also you have to recognize that Africa and the middle east did not do NOTHING. They did clean up some of the mess, in other words they did advance and improve themselves economically to a degree. It's just that they aren't where the West is at.

They will eventually come to the area we are at now, as long as nothing causes them to stall or stop.

Honestly I kind of agree with the guy, not because anything that happened in history but mostly because Europe is fucking weak and we don't seem to have the spine to stand up for ourselves. This is just natural selection on a larger scale as far as I'm concerned, and the superior culture is the one who fucking survives.

We're too fucking civilized, and our ideas don't have any teeth behind them anymore.

The reason I harp on the British because of their history is because if I did not I would be incompetent. To anyone who sees how a people act and the patterns they make to ignore that makes you foolish. The English have betrayed and caused chaos in Europe so wouldn't I be inferior to trust them? Wouldn't a strong person/society recognize an untrustworthy group of people, based on their repeated bad actions?