Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[Prince Ire]

Yes, keep providing rhetorical cover to Hamas days after they undertook the slaughter of Jews on a scale not seen sense the Holocaust.

Do you also think acknowledging Algerian nationhood means "providing rhetorical cover" for the Isly Massacre of pied-noirs? Palestinians are a nation, see themselves as a nation, and act like a nation. Hamas murdering civilians doesn't change that, no matter how many appeals to emotion you make.

In a lot of the ways that matter, there wasn't a "Ukrainian" nationality in 1910, but the Soviet apparatchiks in Moskow got up to a lot of shenanigans with language barriers and minor regional differences to divert unrest to local infighting instead of revolts against the USSR. Historically, the Cossacks make tracing the concept of "Ukrainian" into the Tsarist period a hopeless clusterfuck.

And because of aforementioned relocations, steppe nomad migrations (Crimean Khanate, lol), and more than a little action from Scandinavians ("the Rus"), calling any nation in the area a clear ethnicity is a bold-faced fucking lie. You're not getting clear haplogroups with any meaningful relation to modern borders there. Way too much traveling dickery going around, rarely entirely consensual.


There's a reason we're called "The United States of America": The bedrock of the federal government is actually a coalition much like the EU (our current Constitution is actually the replacement to the comparably-toothless Articles of Confederation). With how intense the regional differences are, we're at least three nations in a trenchcoat. Had a civil war over it, in fact.


Meanwhile, you're trying to excuse a "nation" defined chiefly by indoctrination from genocidal warmongers as no different from a secession movement that took over a century plus the bloodiest-to-us war in our history to start seriously looking at ourselves as one cultural body, or from exploiting mild language barriers and the narcissism of small differences to outsource oppression to local strongmen in a process that forces a lot more codification of regional habits than remotely natural.

Ukraine is a quirk of imperial retention policies, the United States is the long-term aftermath of Colonial policy breakdown, while Palestine is the present catspaw for the Arabs attempting to exterminate the Jews. They are still, right this second, as the actions responsible for this thread show, defined primarily by refusing to let the loss in 1948 go.

Yes, Ukraine is a relatively recent nation. It's still a nation. All nationhoods are constructed, not natural occurrences, whether that construction is done by external powers or the middle classes of the group who are declaring themselves a nation.

Also, you vastly overestimate the amount of regional difference in the US. The 13 colonies weren't that different from each other. Just compare them to say, France at the same time, where the majority of the population couldn't speak what we'd recognize as French. The fact that the South hasn't tried seceding since 1865 shows that they aren't a separate national identity. Genuine national uprisings aren't one and done affairs barring genocide.

And literally none of that changes that Palestine is a nation. And yes, nationalists tend to not let go of defeats, as studying nationalist rebels and nationalist terrorists throughout the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries should show. Nationalist rebels and nationalist terrorists also frequently engaged in massacres and mass murders of civilians throughout that time period too.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

The EU continues to prove that they're not fit to be called a Great Power. They're only slightly less helpless and self-sabotaging than freaking India.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Why did Israel think a border fence would protect it from an army of terrorists?

Once an offensive-minded force, the IDF thought it could hunker down behind walls and the Iron Dome, while the threat grew on the other side

www.timesofisrael.com

There is another dimension to the the border wall issue - Israel needed to be economical with it's manpower - constant expansion of the settlements in the West Bank meant that IDF and border police needed to dedicate more and more troops to checkpoints and outpost defending these settlements so the border wall was seen as a solution to economize defenses on the Gaza borders and free more manpower for the continuous encroachment in the West Bank. The relative success of wall in keeping the ground incursions and Iron Dome in shooting down the Hamas rockets vindicated this approach, until now.

Another issue is that Israeli population is disarmed, so when the Hamas fighters came, the only option people had was to try to flee, try to hide or beg for mercy. From the start the Israeli authorities have been leftist and very collectivist, so private firearm ownership was highly undesirable, but civilians could get firearms issued to them via myriad of defence organisations, especially in kibutzim. After Oslo accords, the government decided all of this is unneeded and gradually got rid of all these organisations, so these days pretty much the only civilians carrying guns are professional security guards and West Bank settlers.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

I think the European parties are going to continue their appeasement of Jihadis for a while now. At least until there's an equally ferocious terror campaign in Europe - but considering how said campaign is unlikely to hurt the people who spread the propaganda, I wouldn't be too sure of it.

Jesus, what is the Right Wing in Europe doing? It's like the Tories are doing all the work in holding the Left off.

 

[Agent23]

I genuinely can't comprehend the idea of manipulating people for aid and then using said aid for military purposes.

Even the Taliban didn't stoop that low, and the Taliban could stoop VERY low.

There are just too many bleeding heart morons and a diaspora, plus the Palestinians are smart enough to ree about muh genocide against them.

Frankly I think we should cut off all foreign aid and put taxes on private initiatives for foreign aid NGOs.

 

[Cherico]

There is another dimension to the the border wall issue - Israel needed to be economical with it's manpower - constant expansion of the settlements in the West Bank meant that IDF and border police needed to dedicate more and more troops to checkpoints and outpost defending these settlements so the border wall was seen as a solution to economize defenses on the Gaza borders and free more manpower for the continuous encroachment in the West Bank. The relative success of wall in keeping the ground incursions and Iron Dome in shooting down the Hamas rockets vindicated this approach, until now.

Another issue is that Israeli population is disarmed, so when the Hamas fighters came, the only option people had was to try to flee, try to hide or beg for mercy. From the start the Israeli authorities have been leftist and very collectivist, so private firearm ownership was highly undesirable, but civilians could get firearms issued to them via myriad of defence organisations, especially in kibutzim. After Oslo accords, the government decided all of this is unneeded and gradually got rid of all these organisations, so these days pretty much the only civilians carrying guns are professional security guards and West Bank settlers.

that's going away base survival has a way of trumping ideology.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

bleeding heart morons

No, stop. We clearly saw this week that these aren't just silly but good hearted people. That was just the con to make us underestimate just how vile they are.

What we see is a Molotov-Ribbentroep Pact in action. And it shouldn't be treated as lightly as the last one was.

The world has already suffered long enough for its naive belief in the benevolent intentions of the Left. No more.

 

[Jormungandr]

Just had a pro-Israel YouTube ad pop up.

It started off as a kids' cartoon with rainbows and unicorns and bright colours, but the text was basically, "we know your kids can't read this but you can. Hamas/ISIS killed 40 babies today. Hug your baby and stand with us. As you'll protect your children, we'll do everything to protect ours".

I don't know if Hamas killing babies is fake news or not, but given that they're no better than rabid animals that deserve nothing but a bullet to the balls and head respectively, it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

 

[PsihoKekec]

It started off as a kids' cartoon with rainbows and unicorns and bright colours, but the text was basically, "we know your kids can't read this but you can. Hamas/ISIS killed 40 babies today. Hug your baby and stand with us. As you'll protect your children, we'll do everything to protect ours".

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Yeah I don't remember the widespread atrocity propaganda in Israel as endless hordes of islamists and black supremacists burned entire cities to the ground.

Odd...

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I don't know if Hamas killing babies is fake news or not, but given that they're no better than rabid animals that deserve nothing but a bullet to the balls and head respectively, it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

The BBC, Hamas sympathisers extraordinaire, appear to have verified the story from a coroner at the sight.

So it‘s real by the looks of it. And I don’t know why many are so shocked by it. When a group like Hamas so thoroughly dehumanise their enemy, this sort of action is inevitable.

 

[PsihoKekec]

You can't trust a single word from either side in this conflict, if you think that Russians and Ukrainians are bad with their lying, Arabs and Israelis are much worse, they had decades of experience of trying to outpropaganda each other. Of course supporters of each side will believe that theirs are the paragons of truthfulness who never lie, but in a war truth dies before the first bodies hit the floor.

It might be true, it might be not. It doesn't matter though as disparity of force is massive enough for Israel to have it's way with Gaza regardless of what the rest of the world says.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Basically what @PsihoKekec said but in meme format :

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Given how disastrously the “both sides” thing went for you lot with Ukraine, do you really want to do this song and dance again?

Edit: Suffice it to say, the Israelis are usually the more reliable of the two. Given what the fuck just happened to them, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt over an organisation like Hamas who’d use peace talks to prepare for another assault.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Why not? It's fun to sometimes go back and read the morality plays people put up as part of their struggle for their side.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Plus no one hàs ever the ethicàl high ground ever.

 

[Agent23]

No, stop. We clearly saw this week that these aren't just silly but good hearted people. That was just the con to make us underestimate just how vile they are.

What we see is a Molotov-Ribbentroep Pact in action. And it shouldn't be treated as lightly as the last one was.

The world has already suffered long enough for its naive belief in the benevolent intentions of the Left. No more.

Ok, what do the leftoid "in it for the money and power" get from all of this?
Importing low quality migrants is probably the only benefit, and that is a short-term one.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Edit: Suffice it to say, the Israelis are usually the more reliable of the two. Given what the fuck just happened to them, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt over an organisation like Hamas who’d use peace talks to prepare for another assault.

Uhhh, when was the last time Palestine was caught repeatedly false-flagging, spying on US/Western citizens, sending crucial military secrets to China, and is involved in about a dozen human trafficking, child trafficking, and organ harvesting schemes?

Palestine is a savage backwards place, but at least they're contained by their own insufficiencies. Even in regards to islamic terrorism in Europe they can't shoulder most of the blame, looking at YOU Saudi Arabia...

 

[mrttao]

Uhhh, when was the last time Palestine was caught repeatedly false-flagging, spying on US/Western citizens, sending crucial military secrets to China, and is involved in about a dozen human trafficking, child trafficking, and organ harvesting schemes?

Palestine is a savage backwards place, but at least they're contained by their own insufficiencies. Even in regards to islamic terrorism in Europe they can't shoulder most of the blame, looking at YOU Saudi Arabia...

Different kinds of evil. Israel is an oligarch ruled corrupt woke hellhole where gays and pedophiles run rampant with police protecting them.
Whose leaders are short sighted and stupid and keep on back stabbing their only allies while fucking over the economy. Where most drink the coolaid on their death cult (woke cult)

While gaza is just barbarians who are killing heretics all day while drinking the coolaid on their death cult (genocidal jihad cult).

Just had a pro-Israel YouTube ad pop up.

It started off as a kids' cartoon with rainbows and unicorns and bright colours, but the text was basically, "we know your kids can't read this but you can. Hamas/ISIS killed 40 babies today. Hug your baby and stand with us. As you'll protect your children, we'll do everything to protect ours".

I don't know if Hamas killing babies is fake news or not, but given that they're no better than rabid animals that deserve nothing but a bullet to the balls and head respectively, it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

It is real. Hamas are savage barbarians.
Baby killing is also more common then you think. And I am not just referring to the mass moloch sacrifices that happen in abortion temples (planned parenthood buildings are literally ziggurat pyramids).

There are many many cases of white babies being killed in africa or even in the USA over racial motives. Mainstream media just never reports it.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

"Ukrainian is not a real ethnicity, it is a fiction created by the Austrian Empire to weaken their Russian rivals." "American is not a real nationality, it is a fiction created by the British colonial elite to justify not paying taxes."

This is what you sound like right now.

Note that ethnicity can be be endlessly deconstructed, and that even applies to Jews.