Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[Terthna]

Screw them over? We sent two entire Carrier Battle Groups to warn Iran and the rest to fuck off and let Israel bomb Gaza with impunity, burning literally millions of dollars a day in Israel's defense. How is that screwing them over?

They let them bomb just enough to rouse the anger of Islamist extremists everywhere, but then do everything they can to force Israel to back off when it looks like they're ready to go in and actually solve the problem permanently. This is not the first time this has happened; it's just the first time it's happened in response to an attack on Israel this massive.

Our politicians genuflect to them in ways that are frankly nauseating to watch. Everyone had such high hopes for Mike. Was he going to put America's needs first? Was he going to hold the censorship-industrial complex and vax-pushers accountable for what they did to us? Nope! More money for Israel. What a joke.

It's all a show; a lie they sell you on for their own purposes. They don't give a crap about Israel; they just want you to waste your time hating them for supposedly siphoning off all our resources, when it's actually our own government that does that.

 

[Iconoclast]

It's all a show; a lie they sell you on for their own purposes. They don't give a crap about Israel; they just want you to waste your time hating them for supposedly siphoning off all our resources, when it's actually our own government that does that.

Well, then who is our government actually siphoning off all our resources to?

 

[mrttao]

Yes "you people". The ones who don't seem to get that Israel (or in your mind, the Jews; but you can't actually say that so you'll just use the country as a euphuism for Jews who are members of the globalist elite, who in your minds are the root causes of all the evils of the world and represent all Jews) just wants you to get the heck out of their way for once and let them do what they need to do to protect themselves, instead of continuing to try and mold the region in your own image.

To be fair, it is mostly jews controlling the west and inflicting the various woke horrors on it (trans kids, rapefugees, etc). and most jews in the west support this.

This is not a sustainable thing.
Our stupid tribesmates are dragging us down with them. And they are doing it all in the name of protecting the oligarch's interest, rather than their own interest. As the commoner gola jew is just as fucked over. But then again, they were indoctrinated through the same public school system.

We fancy ourselves a race of geniuses when we are just as prone to being gullible NPCs. Easily manipulated by the oligarchs.
We need to clean house just as much.

We need to stop screaming antisemitism and blood libel every time a jewish oligarch does something heinous. Because doing so is actually creating anti-Semites. as other people see that we support our oligarchs no matter how evil they are, and therefore the commoner jew "must be part of the problem".

This fight against antisemitism is done in the dumbest way possible (and I am half convinced this is on purpose). in a way that results in a powerful Cobra Effect.

 

[mrttao]

Well, then who is our government actually siphoning off all our resources to?

Mostly to government officials themselves.
Israel is one of many client nations used to launder said money.
But not to the benefit of its commoner citizens.

Only a small amount of the wealth the american oligarchs embezzle from america goes to (or more accurately through) israel, it is split between many nations.
And while in israel, the israeli commoners don't see a single cent of it.
A portion is used to line the pockets of the israeli oligarchs, the rest is sent back to america's oligarchs via special no bid overpriced contracts with oligarch owned corporations.

This is actually a common trick of the military industrial complex.
Lockheed martin was caught bribing govt officials in foreign nations over 180 times in just the past 10 years alone. This is part of the money laundering scheme cycle they have going on.

In israel, this so called foreign aid is seen not as aid, but as a way to entrench the corrupt politicians who suck the blood of the commoners.

 

[Terthna]

Well, then who is our government actually siphoning off all our resources to?

Themselves of course; and the rest of their globalist elite buddies. Though some of it does end up in the hands of places like China or Russia, if the bribes are good enough. You'll remember, for example, how the Clintons sold some of our uranium mines to Russia, coincidentally right after the Russians sunk millions of dollars into the Clinton Foundation.

 

[mrttao]

Mostly to government officials themselves.

Themselves of course

Speaking of... blackrock owns everything.
Most worldwide corporations.
Most of USA land, especially farmland.
Most of USA single family homes. (which are in turn rented out to commoners)

All of it is owned by blackrock and vanguard. Who are in turn umbrella corporations owned by the USA oligarchs. which is where they have been funneling the vast sums of money they have been stealing from the american public

 

[TheRejectionist]

They let them bomb just enough to rouse the anger of Islamist extremists everywhere, but then do everything they can to force Israel to back off when it looks like they're ready to go in and actually solve the problem permanently. This is not the first time this has happened; it's just the first time it's happened in response to an attack on Israel this massive.

Sure, just like 1967. http://www.gtr5.com/commentary/GetTRDoc[1].pdf

It's all a show; a lie they sell you on for their own purposes. They don't give a crap about Israel; they just want you to waste your time hating them for supposedly siphoning off all our resources, when it's actually our own government that does that.

So no different than Israelis and their lobbies and lobbyists, who want me to hate anyone criticizing them?

We need to stop screaming antisemitism and blood liable every time a jewish oligarch does something heinous. Because doing so is actually creating anti-Semites. as other people see that we support our oligarchs no matter how evil they are, and therefore the commoner jew must be part of the problem.

@mrttao that's a very well thought argument actually and approve.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Conspiracy theories rot the brain, chaps. Don’t touch them with ten foot long poles.

Anyway, Gaza still existing by this point is the most shocking thing to me.

I'm not surprised. You can't really erase something that big with artillery. Requires too many munitions, wear and tear on your equipment to fire it all, and Israel especially can't b/c they are essentially surrounded by enemies. If they focused enough on Gaza to do it, they'd leave themselves open elsewhere.

 

[Abhorsen]

Reminder that the Palestinian "people" are a lie, their "legacy" that they're trying to reclaim is an outright lie and they're trying to steal the ancestral lands of another cultural group, and that these outcasts and exiles from other countries are death cultists.

They were a lie, but once you get rejected from all countries nearby, now they are a real people. This is how you create a nation of people. It's the same with Ukraine. One could maybe argue they weren't a people, but then you add the holodomor, nationhood, and now a second invasion? They clearly now think of themselves as a people.

Conspiracy theories rot the brain, chaps. Don’t touch them with ten foot long poles.

Anyway, Gaza still existing by this point is the most shocking thing to me.

Eh, many of the recent ones came true though, so I wouldn't say that. For example, Hillary's emails, sex slavery island, and wuFlu from a lab: all true.

Dismiss this theory on it's own merits (it has little) not on that it's a conspiracy theory. For example:

Yes. In fact, I underestimated it. My old estimate was based on obsolete data. Going by Denis Rancourt and company's estimates, (1 death per 800 shots), then with the 18.64 million doses administered in Israel as of May of this year, there have been 23,000 deaths so far. We can see the all-cause mortality rate increasing as a result of the vaccination campaign.

First, ACM is a bad statistic to use, it includes gunshot deaths, for example, and it doesn't split between those who took the vaccine and those who didn't. It could easily be confounded by a summer rise in gang violence in any of the countries in the study. But even if we accept the study as fact, that still doesn't give us 23k deaths. Bluntly, the death rate varied wildly in different countries, from 1/500 to 1/5000, with the smaller number being from a nation more like Israel than the others (Australia). The 1/5000 number would instantly lower the occurrence down to about 3700 deaths.

And on top of that, the covid vaccine used will have a stark impact on what will happen, as they are pretty different.

As long as they don't get caught and they put the blame on someone else it is seems very feasable.

It's simply incredibly unlikely. Those in power don't want this to happen: it made Netanyahu look bad. The soldiers on the ground don't want this to happen: it'll cause their buddies to die.

Netanyahu did contribute to Hamas (he was fairly open about this). He saw Hamas as a way to stop any talk of a Palestinian state. On top of that, Hamas was visibly reforming, notably not contributing against Israel recently when Israel attacked the Islamic Jihad in 2022. This makes asking for money for Hamas almost reasonable. We only later found out that the reforms were an intentional lie used to deceive Israel.

But again, Netanyahu wouldn't have done this intentionally, as again, it makes him look bad.

 

[Marduk]

Screw them over? We sent two entire Carrier Battle Groups to warn Iran and the rest to fuck off and let Israel bomb Gaza with impunity, burning literally millions of dollars a day in Israel's defense. How is that screwing them over?

Our politicians genuflect to them in ways that are frankly nauseating to watch. Everyone had such high hopes for Mike. Was he going to put America's needs first? Was he going to hold the censorship-industrial complex and vax-pushers accountable for what they did to us? Nope! More money for Israel. What a joke.

The jihadi plague's spread in ME needs purging with fire and sword since decades, so i'm not gonna complain. It's not a new one, it's recurring since over a millenium now and then, and it was always driven back underground with sufficient application of violence, no other way.
It's not like carrier battle groups are needed to fight censorship and pharma bullshit, that's what lawyers and other suits are for, these are not mutually exclusive options.

 

[TheRejectionist]

But again, Netanyahu wouldn't have done this intentionally, as again, it makes him look bad.

I am not saying it was Bibi.

 

[Abhorsen]

I am not saying it was Bibi.

If it wasn't the people in power, and it wasn't those low on the totem poll, it's hard to believe that it was intentional. The far more likely explanation is a fuckup.

 

[Bacle]

They were already expressing animosity towards Netanyahu's administration due to his judicial reforms. They enjoyed controlling Israel through their courts, much like our CIA controls us through ours. To quote this article:



The sudden outbreak of heavy-handed partisanship, with conservatives lining up alongside Israel and leftists siding with Palestine, is not organic. It's a propaganda construct. A convenient distraction from the wrongdoings of the criminals in power. This whole thing is a charade, and innocent people are dying for it.

No, this is happening because Hamas are genocidal fuckheads and because the CCP wanted to see how much it took to saturate Iron Dome systems that Taiwan is looking to purchase.

 

[DarthOne]

Conspiracy theories rot the brain, chaps. Don’t touch them with ten foot long poles.

Anyway, Gaza still existing by this point is the most shocking thing to me.

According to who? The same people who say the Great Reset is a conspiracy theory?

Meanwhile, back in 2020:

The Great Reset by Klaus Schwab

 

[TheRejectionist]

If it wasn't the people in power, and it wasn't those low on the totem poll, it's hard to believe that it was intentional. The far more likely explanation is a fuckup.

I lived in Israel for a time and because of that I find it extremely hard to believe it was a fuckup. I can see your argument that Israelis are humans as much as me or you, but the level of human error is too much convenient, too good to be true : before this event it would have been unthinkable to anyone, regardless if pro-Israeli or anti-Israeli, that Hamas would get as far as they did, let alone behave like a cohort of Gengishid warriors in a style of Baghad sack.
Plus the fact that the settlers and more seemed to have been allowed to be weaponless and there was a music festival there.

 

[Abhorsen]

I lived in Israel for a time and because of that I find it extremely hard to believe it was a fuckup. I can see your argument that Israelis are humans as much as me or you, but the level of human error is too much convenient, too good to be true : before this event it would have been unthinkable to anyone, regardless if pro-Israeli or anti-Israeli, that Hamas would get as far as they did, let alone behave like a cohort of Gengishid warriors in a style of Baghad sack.

Look, that they would behave this way if they did get this far was obvious to everyone paying attention. It's just that no one thought they'd get this far. As for it being unthinkable, a lot of unthinkable things happen, because people cannot think they could happen. The 2008 financial collapse happened because it was unthinkable that so many mortgages could go under at once.

My argument is simple. None of the people who would want this to happen were in positions in the Israeli government to allow this to happen. Netanyahu was the big supporter of Hamas on the Israeli side, and he didn't want them to do this, as it would bring down his government.

Basically, you need to come up with a scenario that explains this happening with Israeli purposeful ignorance, where the Israelis are acting semi rationally. I don't think such a scenario can be constructed where it's reasonably plausible.

Also, this human error harmed Israel. I'm not talking about the dead, I'm saying that it opened up an existential threat to Israel. Israel was already winning. It was just trying to kneel and burn down the clock. This fucked it all up for Israel.

Plus the fact that the settlers and more seemed to have been allowed to be weaponless and there was a music festival there.

First, there were no settlers nearby, unless you are calling all of Israel Settlers. There were kibbutz on Israeli land. And Israel has fucking stupid gun laws also.

 

[Marduk]

I lived in Israel for a time and because of that I find it extremely hard to believe it was a fuckup. I can see your argument that Israelis are humans as much as me or you, but the level of human error is too much convenient, too good to be true : before this event it would have been unthinkable to anyone, regardless if pro-Israeli or anti-Israeli, that Hamas would get as far as they did, let alone behave like a cohort of Gengishid warriors in a style of Baghad sack.
Plus the fact that the settlers and more seemed to have been allowed to be weaponless and there was a music festival there.

I for one read quite a bit in detail about Israeli military... and readiness fuckups, after relatively calm period on Gaza border and during a holiday especially, are something i can believe in.

Contrary to what some people believe, Israeli military is not some kind of hypercompetent, hypervigilant army on an oddly low budget. They are an ok army, with a pretty high variance of quality, air force getting the first pick of recruits and resources, with Navy and Army having to take the leftovers, traditionally Navy getting the last choice, but the Army lately also not doing well though, the need for quantity and political mess impacting their quality.
Why does Israel have all these past successes?
It's not that they are so great, it's that the Arab states are so terrible at this stuff that being merely ok seems like hypercompetence when facing them.

 

[Bigking321]

Basically, you need to come up with a scenario that explains this happening with Israeli purposeful ignorance, where the Israelis are acting semi rationally. I don't think such a scenario can be constructed where it's reasonably plausible.

The Ukraine War wasn't popular anymore and the globalists needed a new distraction and thing to get the ignorant populace worked up about. The Israeli intelligence people are as bound up in the globalists as the fbi and cia. One intelligence failure later and we have another crisis and are once more on the brink of WW3.

Shrug. Makes sense to me.

It's clear the fbi and cia don't give a crap about the people they should be protecting and would rather play political games. Why wouldn't it be the same for other intelligence agencies in other countries?

 

[Abhorsen]

The Ukraine War wasn't popular anymore and the globalists needed a new distraction and thing to get the ignorant populace worked up about. The Israeli intelligence people are as bound up in the globalists as the fbi and cia. One intelligence failure later and we have another crisis and are once more on the brink of WW3.

They really aren't though? Like at all. Israel is largely hated by the international community. Globalists, including the Jewish ones, want to get rid of Israel (just look at how Soros is viewed in Israel).

Also, the people in those agencies don't view themselves as in a global conspiracy. They think that the things they do are for the good of the country (they clearly fucking aren't, but that's how they view themselves). You still cannot explain this.

Also, I couldn't stop laughing at this. FAFO:

 

[Marduk]

They really aren't though? Like at all. Israel is largely hated by the international community. Globalists, including the Jewish ones, want to get rid of Israel (just look at how Soros is viewed in Israel).

That's a very obvious aspect of the story, one many people forget about to pursue more exotic agendas and conspiracies.
Back when we weren't alive and Soviet Union was, "anti-Zionism" was created there to oppose West aligned Israel. It made sense for the Soviets, as the "socialist international" in general didn't like nationalists, in line with what it was.
Zionism means nothing more than "Jewish nationalism".
Who hates nationalism very much these days?
Left wing internationalists of all stripes, and not just about the Jewish nationalists, see what they say about nationalists in Germany, Sweden, Poland, USA, UK or anywhere else, it's not that different.