Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[IndyFront]

From what I have heard - and I haven’t had the time to dig deeply into this to double check- supposedly there’s a rather large amount of people of Jewish descent in influential positions the US government.

Also, supposedly, the AIPAC group, which is distinctly Jewish and pro-Israel, wields a disproportionate amount of power over funding up and coming politicians. Supposedly. As I said, I haven’t dug into this to see how true it is, and it could just be nonsense.

Why does it matter if they're Jewish? Just because someone is not Christian does not mean they can't have Christians' best interests and human rights in mind. I'm not Christian but I am fiercely protective of my Christian friends and family. I'm also not Jewish but I am also fiercely protective of my Jewish friends and family. I don't know anyone from Israel but I would be fiercely protective of them if I knew them, despite not being Israeli and having my own set of criticisms of the Israeli gov't. Why do humans suck so bad at being human?

 

[LordsFire]

Why does it matter if they're Jewish? Just because someone is not Christian does not mean they can't have Christians' best interests and human rights in mind. I'm not Christian but I am fiercely protective of my Christian friends and family. I'm also not Jewish but I am also fiercely protective of my Jewish friends and family. I don't know anyone from Israel but I would be fiercely protective of them if I knew them, despite not being Israeli and having my own set of criticisms of the Israeli gov't. Why do humans suck so bad at being human?

Inherent tendency towards sin.

 

[DarthOne]

Why does it matter if they're Jewish? Just because someone is not Christian does not mean they can't have Christians' best interests and human rights in mind. I'm not Christian but I am fiercely protective of my Christian friends and family. I'm also not Jewish but I am also fiercely protective of my Jewish friends and family. I don't know anyone from Israel but I would be fiercely protective of them if I knew them, despite not being Israeli and having my own set of criticisms of the Israeli gov't. Why do humans suck so bad at being human?

The issue is that of a massive in-group preference.

From what I've heard (including from a Jewish person), Jewish culture is one of persecution. "Everyone is out to get us". While it's understandable given history, it has gotten to the point where it fosters paranoia and frankly excessive levels of in-group preference.

Meaning you've got a lot of normal-jews who will support more wealthy ones just because they're both Jewish, because they've been indoctrinated all their lives to think that They Must Stand Together, No Matter What.

(Which, so I am told, often results in the wealthy/influential ones running off whenever they've stirred up shit that get too hot for them, leaving the normal Jews holding the bag as the metaphorical/literal angry mob closes in).

But it also means that anyone who's Jewish that gets into a position of power in an organization will overwhelmingly tend to promote other Jews over anyone else. As well as to protect them from criticism, even to insane levels that frankly do more harm than good. See the sheer backlash Yee got for pointing out that Hollywood is for all intents and purposes, run by Jews. Which did nothing but make Yee look right.

(Not to say that other ethnic groups don't do that- Asians, Arab Muslims, Indians do it too. Though there's not the same knee-jerk backlash against pointing it out, for some reason.)

This also translates to mass support for Israel and using whatever means necessary to do so. Which is a problem if they're manipulating politics of other nations (AIPAC). As is the case with any other nation/groups that does this.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Plus it ironically plays into the hands of anti-Semites who screech about Jews being in control of all levers of society despite being a tiny minority.

 

[strunkenwhite]

From what I have heard - and I haven’t had the time to dig deeply into this to double check- supposedly there’s a rather large amount of people of Jewish descent in influential positions the US government.

Also, supposedly, the AIPAC group, which is distinctly Jewish and pro-Israel, wields a disproportionate amount of power over funding up and coming politicians. Supposedly. As I said, I haven’t dug into this to see how true it is, and it could just be nonsense.

Disproportionate membership and influence in the halls of power? Sure, I'm convinced of that. Disproportionate to the point that it amounts to a controlling interest? That's a horse of another color. (And even that is a generous interpretation of what mrttao said.)

Part of the success of AIPAC and fellow travelers has historically been that Israel has long enjoyed bipartisan support, even as fewer and fewer issues could match that boast. AIPAC could put its thumb on the scale without turning into a partisan flashpoint. But the left wing of the Democratic Party has been becoming increasingly uncomfortable with tolerating Israeli policy with respect to Palestinians. (Neither party liked it but neither party was willing to make a diplomatic issue out of it.) We appear to be seeing the IDF's prosecution of the invasion of Gaza shatter that status quo. The Democratic Party is increasingly split on how to treat Israel. (I don't think it will tear the party apart; there have been many issues where one party or the other had to deal with two camps with widely differing opinions.) For a while now, there have been subdued complaints about Israel favoring the Republican Party over the Democratic Party; this trend will now likely intensify and become a feedback loop turning Israel into a partisan issue.

But "lol jews control everything" is a simpler narrative. If American Jews contolled America like that, I'd expect if anything a harsher stance on Israel. If Israeli Jews controlled America I imagine the student protests would be suppressed a lot more brutally, among many other things.

 

[DarthOne]

But "lol jews control everything" is a simpler narrative. If American Jews contolled America like that, I'd expect if anything a harsher stance on Israel. If Israeli Jews controlled America I imagine the student protests would be suppressed a lot more brutally, among many other things.

I mean, compare the reaction to this to the George Floyd riots and protests, which were just as if not more violent.

But as I said, a lot of this stuff is just what I’ve heard and I haven’t gotten around to looking into this stuff. And I’m going to leave it there before my sleep-deprived self opens his mouth and really puts his foot in it.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Why does it matter if they're Jewish? Just because someone is not Christian does not mean they can't have Christians' best interests and human rights in mind. I'm not Christian but I am fiercely protective of my Christian friends and family. I'm also not Jewish but I am also fiercely protective of my Jewish friends and family. I don't know anyone from Israel but I would be fiercely protective of them if I knew them, despite not being Israeli and having my own set of criticisms of the Israeli gov't. Why do humans suck so bad at being human?

You're conflating jew the religion vs jew the ethnicity.

If the American political system was full of, say, Irish people who were jewish, German people who were jewish and British people who were jewish, not too odd because those peoples make up a large portion of the population. Odds would still be stacked but not obscenely so.

Instead its jewish people (jewish or secular) in the positions of power.

To put it another way, imagine if significant portions of America's political system was controlled by pacific islanders so the cabinet looks like an army of The Rock or something, would that not be a little bit odd to see? Because those absurd and obviously artificial odds are currently in place. Make if it however you want but it's just the facts.

 

[Terthna]

I mean, compare the reaction to this to the George Floyd riots and protests, which were just as if not more violent.

But as I said, a lot of this stuff is just what I’ve heard and I haven’t gotten around to looking into this stuff. And I’m going to leave it there before my sleep-deprived self opens his mouth and really puts his foot in it.

It's not that much different; regressive leftists committing violence and destroying property are still getting away with it. It's just that many haven't received the firmware update that was supposed to inform them that they hate Jews; and of those who did, some found that it was incompatible with their hardware (much like many feminists did when they got the pro-Trans update).

 

[IndyFront]

Hard to predict how this particular conflict is going to play out, considering the fact that Turkey supports Hamas and is in NATO simultaneously...

 

[DarthOne]

Hard to predict how this particular conflict is going to play out, considering the fact that Turkey supports Hamas and is in NATO simultaneously...

This could just make thing spiral further.

 

[IndyFront]

This could just make thing spiral further.

Agreed. Just not sure how the world is going to look after Turkey announces a new defense alliance with Iran against Israel/US

 

[Marduk]

Hard to predict how this particular conflict is going to play out, considering the fact that Turkey supports Hamas and is in NATO simultaneously...

So lets look at some statistics to see if this means anything or is just an empty gesture to islamist retards who vote for Erdogan by what's an economic mess regardless of that.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-turkey-israel-sanctions-impact-bilateral-trade

Turkey stops all trade with Israel over âhumanitarian tragedyâ in Gaza

Israeli foreign minister strongly criticises decision by President ErdoÄan, accusing him of acting like a âdictatorâ

www.theguardian.com

So last year trade between them was $5.4bn from Turkey to Israel, $1.4bn the other way around. Fraction of a percent of GDP for either country, may hit Turkey a bit more than Israel ironically enough considering their mess.
Long story short, more gesture than anything meant to have significant effects.
Historically Turkey did far more controversial stuff regarding the Palestinian mess, remember the drama with MV Mavi Marmara?

 

[ATP]

Hard to predict how this particular conflict is going to play out, considering the fact that Turkey supports Hamas and is in NATO simultaneously...

Do not matter.Turkey is still Izrael ally against Iran,and Izrael support genocide of armenians,too.
Stupid,becouse now everybody could support genocide of jews.But - if they were smart,they would implement Rabin plan,and had peace.And never gave gaza to Hamas,too,or help them become rival of Fatah.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Interesting profile on one of the Columbia University Protesters, of whom over a third are apparently outside of campus.

‘Violent’ Columbia protester is heir to ad empire, has mansion, model babymama — and long rap sheet

A longtime anarchist who was believed to be a leader at the protests in Hamilton Hall was born with a silver spoon his mouth and owns a $3.4 million home in Brooklyn, The Post has learned.

nypost.com

A forty year old millionaire Trust Fund Baby with a criminal record going back to 2005 with his pro-anarchist protests and criminal behavior.

One of the most violent leaders of the Columbia University riots is allegedly a professional agitator and limousine liberal — the scion of millionaire ad execs who owns in a $3.4 million Brooklyn townhouse, has a model babymama and a stepmom dating John Cougar Mellencamp.

James Carlson, aka Cody Carlson, aka Cody Tarlow, is "a longtime anarchist," a high-ranking police source said.

He bought his 2,893-square-foot, three-story townhouse with four wood-burning fireplaces and a carriage house in Park Slope in 2019 for $2.3 million, according to property records and online listings.

His family estate was reportedly worth more then $20 million from their work with developing and running several companies including Ralph Lauren, Cuisinart, Revlon and Pottery Barn as an advertising executive.

James or "Cody" is apparently estranged from his family and is a leader in various far-left anarchist movements. He is supposedly an Attorney as well.

The article actually has a picture of him trying to resist a University Janitor pinning him to a wall.

EDIT:

Might as well throw up the picture.

This Janitor is about to FAFO. He don't even realize he's messing with a forty year old anarchist attorney trust fund baby!!!

 

[DarthOne]

Interesting profile on one of the Columbia University Protesters, of whom over a third are apparently outside of campus.

‘Violent’ Columbia protester is heir to ad empire, has mansion, model babymama — and long rap sheet

A longtime anarchist who was believed to be a leader at the protests in Hamilton Hall was born with a silver spoon his mouth and owns a $3.4 million home in Brooklyn, The Post has learned.

nypost.com

A forty year old millionaire Trust Fund Baby with a criminal record going back to 2005 with his pro-anarchist protests and criminal behavior.



His family estate was reportedly worth more then $20 million from their work with developing and running several companies including Ralph Lauren, Cuisinart, Revlon and Pottery Barn as an advertising executive.

James or "Cody" is apparently estranged from his family and is a leader in various far-left anarchist movements. He is supposedly an Attorney as well.

The article actually has a picture of him trying to resist a University Janitor pinning him to a wall.

I'd ask why so many rich people are so determined to play as anarchists/ communists, but I know the answer is virtue signaling, a desire for more power and just being delusional over what would happen.

 

[strunkenwhite]

If this guy has a 20 year criminal record of being involved in violent protests, I question the NY Post's definition of "limousine liberal".

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I'd ask why so many rich people are so determined to play as anarchists/ communists, but I know the answer is virtue signaling, a desire for more power and just being delusional over what would happen.

Mostly, it usually starts as a way to get mommy and daddy's attention. After that it's because it hurts them.

 

[DarthOne]

If this guy has a 20 year criminal record of being involved in violent protests, I question the NY Post's definition of "limousine liberal".

...No, I'd say it still works.

He rich, so that part checks out. He's left wing, and a lot of modern liberals are basically communists/ left-anarchists of some stripe these days. Now, the hypocrisy aspect...well, he's violently protesting a wrecking stuff instead of using his money or influence in any way that will actually change anything. Be that through legal means, like sending money or setting up some sort of aid. Or doing something like, in this case, smuggling weapons so that the Palestinians can better resist their supposedly 'genocidal oppressors'.

EDIT:

There is also this:

One Procaccino campaign memo attacked "rich super-assimilated people who live on Fifth Avenue and maintain some choice mansions outside the city and have no feeling for the small middle class shopkeeper, home owner, etc. They preach the politics of confrontation and condone violent upheaval in society because they are not touched by it and are protected by their courtiers".[5]

Sounds familiar.

 

[DarthOne]

Might as well throw up the picture.

This Janitor is about to FAFO. He don't even realize he's messing with a forty year old anarchist attorney trust fund baby!!!

...now I want to go with the gym.

 

[Bacle]

So apparently it seems like the Nork's are arming and training Hamas and friends, if what is said here is true.

Guess we need to maybe be a little more forceful about interdicting North Korean activities outside their nation, they are able to assist in training Hamas.