Doomsought
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That is because terrorism only became a category in the late 90s. Not because people weren't' getting killed.Know how many Europeans died due to Islamic terrorism in the entire 20th century? 21.
That is because terrorism only became a category in the late 90s. Not because people weren't' getting killed.Know how many Europeans died due to Islamic terrorism in the entire 20th century? 21.
You'd be correct on all counts according to my understanding.Now, I'm not a gun guy by any stretch, but my understanding is that using terms like "assault weapon" or "assault-style weapon" are a telltale sign of illiteracy when it comes to firearms? (Branding them "assault rifles" is even worse, I'd think, seeing as civilians are barred from owning fully automatic weapons, save for a handful of hurdle-ridden exceptions.)
You'd be correct on all counts according to my understanding.
That's because the Right wants to try to 'conserve' society, so they do not play the same word games the Dems do to get their shit though or to rile up the base.Thought so, thanks.
Unfortunately, the Right hasn’t had nearly as much success labelling lefty activists and pundits who don’t know basic terminology that can be Googled with the click of a button as the reverse. (e.g.: Demonization of “climate-change deniers” and all that.)
We didn't force your governments to import them in the name of diversity - they did that all on their own.Know how many Europeans died due to Islamic terrorism in the entire 20th century? 21.
Know how many died after America went and started fucking up the Middle East and Europe backed them up? Enough to become a meme.
So fuck off random twitter shitbag, Europe is dealing with this shit because of America, we had this shit under control until fucking yanks started screwing things up for us. Blaming Europe for not being ready to handle the massive terrorism and immigration problems your government made is utter cuntery.
I mean really?
Know how many Europeans died due to Islamic terrorism in the entire 20th century? 21.
Know how many died after America went and started fucking up the Middle East and Europe backed them up? Enough to become a meme.
So fuck off random twitter shitbag, Europe is dealing with this shit because of America, we had this shit under control until fucking yanks started screwing things up for us. Blaming Europe for not being ready to handle the massive terrorism and immigration problems your government made is utter cuntery.
I mean really?
@Harlock
Europe was gonna get invaded/immigrated by the ME no matter what America did. It was simply a matter of time.
American adventurism created the immigrant explosion and the massive jump in Islamic extremism, two issues that caught Europe completely by surprise. European immigration laws are pretty damn tough, but those borders are huge and hard to secure. Texas can tell you the same story.We didn't force your governments to import them in the name of diversity - they did that all on their own.
As for fucking things up in the Middle East, this wasn't exactly unprovoked, and in one case was actually asked for. But to be honest this talking point is a tired old Leftist one, used to excuse Islamic terrorism and stuff like the rape gangs and other crimes, while also refusing to do anything about it.
You're right. Europe should be securing itself...But America also needs to understand the responsibility it has for fucking up European security because it didn't stop and think before acting.
Yes, Islam, which spent more than a thousand years trying to invade Europe, and has an explicit religious mandate to conquer the world and subjugate all peoples, forcing conversion or putting them to the sword, totally only started going berserk (again) because the US hit back after 9/11.
It definitely wasn't caused by the soviets invading Afghanistan.
Or what they've done to the Chechens.
Or what the Chinese have been doing to the Uighurs!
Or their religiously (and often ethnically) ingrained hate-boner for Jews.
No, it's definitely because of the US, not for any other reason, because if it was for any other reason, then the Democrats and European leftists wouldn't be able to blame American conservatives, instead muslims might actually be responsible for their own actions!
Gasp!
...More seriously, have you ever actually read any of the Koran? Or lived in Arab/other Muslim cultures?
You're right. Europe should be securing itself...
I have read the Koran in highschool, and the Bible which has some choice quotes too.
Facts are facts, America didn't make Islam what it is but it did awaken jihadism and focused it on the west, and then blew up all the dictatorships that had been keeping those immigrants where they belonged.
Why do you think so much of Europe hates you now when they were totally cool with you in the 90s?
This isn't a completely random action, it is cause and effect
European immigration laws are pretty damn tough
I don't know why you started picking up this narrative, but it is completely and utterly wrong.
Also:
That you believe this, tells me you're completely out of touch with reality on the issue.
European immigration laws and culture around those laws is so weak, that there have been active campaigns to keep convicted criminal immigrants from being deported. Other parts of the EU tried to bully Poland into accepting migrants they didn't want. Women have covered up the fact they were raped because they didn't want the migrants to get in trouble. Sweden stopped recording ethnicity in a lot of crimes because the statistics breached the politically correct narrative on migrants and crime.
Islam has never stopped being a militant and violent religion. The radicals aren't a symptom of US adventurism in the Middle East, they're the cause of US adventurism in the Middle East.
How familiar are you with the US's relationship with the House of Saud?
How familiar are you with the US's relationship with Iran before the radicals there took over?
Are you aware that Sadaam Hussein was a largely secular ruler in Iraq?
Now to be fair to you, the utter incompetence of the Obama administration, especially their outright funding of some terrorists, has made a mess of things, like the collapse of Iraq, and Biden has been Obama 2.0 with what happened to Afghanistan, but these are still third-order effects, not the source of radicalism beginning.
Also, if the islamists were to respond to provocation against muslims in general (which they rarely do, and functionally never did before they realized they could use it as political capital in the West), they would have pushed terror campaigns against Russia, not the USA. The US has handled Islam with kid gloves, even after 9/11, while the USSR and Putins Russia have happily just butchered muslims who were causing them problems.
They have been waging a terrorist campaign against Russia, you are familiar with the theatre and school sieges tied the muslim terror groups? Those are the well known ones but I can pull up others.
Islam has its violence, always has, but this stirred up a hornets nest and because they couldn't hit America itself they went for the next nearest thing.
I mean is it truly your position that the US adventurism in the Middle East was not in any way, shape or form responsible for the simultaneous surge in jihadism or refugees flooding out of those nations and into Europe?
I'm well aware of Wahabbists and the Ayotollahs big old death to America spiel and the Israel connection and so on, but I'd like to know why you seem to think America ganking the Middle East was entirely coincidental to the jump in terrorism and illegal immigration
That is at America's door, and unfortunately there isn't any way to dodge the responsibility for that. So to tie back to the original point, it is hypocritical to mock Europe for something America created.
You're treating muslims as subhuman. Stop it.
I don't really follow?
To put it another way, it's the Titanic. It sank because it had brittle metal, poor rivets, too few life boats, a dozen other things. But the main reason is that big old iceberg, if not for that none of the other factors would be applicable.
That is the analogy, you can talk about Obama making it worse, and Merkel making it worse, but ultimately those wouldn't be a factor without that America shaped iceberg
Muslims make their own choices. If this was all lashing out against US adventurism, then they would logically be targeting the US primarily.
But it isn't.
They're making their own decisions, just as you and your people have made decisions.
You can say that the Obama administration is responsible for the collapse of Iraq and for worsening the collapse in Syria. You can even say the US at large holds some responsibility for that, for allowing that traitor into the White House.
Each individual muslim has chosen how to respond to those events. Those who went to Europe made that decision. Those who went to Europe and then decided to commit terror attacks against Europeans also made their own decision.
You can fairly say the US bears some responsibility for some of the suffering in Iraq, and even in Syria. That's complicated by the fact that Saddam and his regime also caused a lot of suffering, and Syria was collapsing without US mucking things up.
You cannot fairly say that the US is responsible for a muslim that decides to move to Europe, then decides to commit a terror attack. That's on their head. If they were moving to the US and attacking military bases, you could make some kind of 'action reaction' argument, but that is not what this is.
This is Islam acting as it always does, and doing it in nations foolish enough to be wilfully blind to the nature of Islam, often because they're blinded by their hatred of Christianity.