Gun Political Issues Megathread. (Control for or Against?)

Bear Ribs

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Aren't there laws specifically prohibiting the CDC from pulling shit like this.
It's perfectly legal for them to run studies, what they can't do is lobby for said studies, nor openly admit (as they have before) that they've already decided guns are bad and are deliberately designing their studies to produce a pre-conceived conclusion.

They refused to do so for a few decades because the studies they did that weren't biased from the get-go proved that guns were a net good.

I can certainly see the benefits of them reacting to guns as quickly (Day what, 570 of 15 days to slow the spread?) as they did Coronoavirus though.
 

Captain X

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Osaul
I have no idea if any of this is true, but I could sure believe it. :D

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bintananth

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Assualt Weapon: an otherwise regular weapon dolled up to look scary and "tacticool".

Take the Kimber line of bolt action rifles. There's the regular ones which wouldn't look too out of place in a BW photo staged to look like it was taken during WWI. Then there's the tactical ones which include things like pistol grips, adjustable stocks, detachable box magazines, &c which just look silly unless you're cosplaying SWAT.
 

Bear Ribs

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Assualt Weapon: an otherwise regular weapon dolled up to look scary and "tacticool".

Take the Kimber line of bolt action rifles. There's the regular ones which wouldn't look too out of place in a BW photo staged to look like it was taken during WWI. Then there's the tactical ones which include things like pistol grips, adjustable stocks, detachable box magazines, &c which just look silly unless you're cosplaying SWAT.
Indeed. The problem is if he said that in congress on camera gun control would be hosed for decades, they really aren't going to want to admit they've been restricting constitutional rights over whether or not something looks scary.

Honestly, for the pincer he was in, that limp-wristed non-answer was probably the best reply he could make given how indefensible assault weapons bans actually are.
 

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Then there's the tactical ones which include things like pistol grips, adjustable stocks, detachable box magazines, &c which just look silly unless you're cosplaying SWAT.

I think that's going a bit too far in the other direction, those features have some utility and practical use, otherwise they wouldn't be so common.

The relevant issue is that they only provide a marginal advantage over weapons that lack them (which is not particularly relevant in a civilian context) nor are any of the features disproportionately useful to criminals vs law abiding citizens.
 

Bear Ribs

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He... um... he managed to make it worse when more senators kept asking him and he realized he wasn't going to be able to weasel forever.



Any semi-automatic rifle larger than a .22 that can accept a detachable magazine. That's... almost all of them.



Also, he thinks law-abiding civilian gun owners are just potential crimes waiting to happen.
 

bintananth

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I think that's going a bit too far in the other direction, those features have some utility and practical use, otherwise they wouldn't be so common.

The relevant issue is that they only provide a marginal advantage over weapons that lack them (which is not particularly relevant in a civilian context) nor are any of the features disproportionately useful to criminals vs law abiding citizens.
The ones I mentioned are $1,600 bolt-action hunting rifles. Spending an extra $1,000 for the tactical version isn't going to help someone put Bambi on the dinner table while the pistol grip might be a bit of a hindrance if you need a second shot.
 

LindyAF

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The ones I mentioned are $1,600 bolt-action hunting rifles. Spending an extra $1,000 for the tactical version isn't going to help someone put Bambi on the dinner table while the pistol grip might be a bit of a hindrance if you need a second shot.

With Kimber, I don't think you're paying the $1000 for the tacticalness, you're paying for it saying "Kimber" on the rifle.
 

bintananth

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With Kimber, I don't think you're paying the $1000 for the tacticalness, you're paying for it saying "Kimber" on the rifle.
A bit of both, actually. They are very good rifles to start with and they're going to make you pay through the nose for the added optional extras.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
New tactic?


Old tactic, one I think they could only do in this case because the parents begged him not to do it hours before he did it. Ie they knew and didn't call it in.

They'll prolly still not get convicted though.
 

Doomsought

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The media is going on about how the victims are angels, but I don't buy it for a second. They all sound like popular kids, the type who get away with all sorts of things. I want to know how badly they were bullying the shooter. It takes a great deal of abuse to convince someone that the only way out of their suffering is to take on the world head on.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
The media is going on about how the victims are angels, but I don't buy it for a second. They all sound like popular kids, the type who get away with all sorts of things. I want to know how badly they were bullying the shooter. It takes a great deal of abuse to convince someone that the only way out of their suffering is to take on the world head on.

That doesn't necessarily mean the shooter himself was bullied or wasn't also a popular kid. See the Columbine Shooters as an example of that. Or at least the two that got caught any way.

They weren't mega popular but they were supposedly fairly well liked.

Nicholas Cruz is the only one who comes to mind recently who was bullied and that's because that dumb "nom binary" fat ass Emma Gonzales and Delanay "my whole family was involved in one of the nastiest CPS scandals involving child trafficking in the 90s" Tar both bragged about bullying him at rallies.

Most school shooters are just autistic or schizoid

Or in the case of the STEM shooter a troon who had hormonal flair ups and coped with her poor decision making skills by worshipping satan.
 

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