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ShieldWife
Marchioness
I said until recently.
You're right though, I thoroughly disapprove of that. I make reference to that in my above post, but I didn't want to go into too much detail because of Boot's requests about not dwelling on the past.
As per Boot's request, let me speak about how I would do things here rather than criticize past mod/admin actions, I would reverse all permanent bans and would only hand them out in the future for egregiously bad behavior with direct reference to the rules which were violated, with open transparency, and with forewarning unless the behavior was so bad it justified immediate banishment - like posting real child pornography or deliberate real identity doxxing.
I agree with some of the current rules restricting free speech slightly. I agree that we should prohibit soft doxxing, I agree that we shouldn't have hard core pornography or any sexualization of minors. I also agree that we need to restrict flaming, rudeness, so called hate speech, and trolling to at least some degree - though not to the extent of limiting the expression of people's legitimate opinions or beliefs.
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I haven’t posted on the thread which isn’t usually like me.
Anyway, I won’t get into the details but I am seriously considering leaving TS. I have had sustained and from what I can tell nearly irreconcilable disagreements with the staff, and concerns over the users as well.
Not because of the direction of the site, but due to other concerns, of conflicting expectations(a theme really), and attitudes and reactions experienced.
TBH, I have always felt like somewhat of an interloper. An outsider, even though I had my own SB drama, and faced substantial persecution and a conscious conspiracy, I was only a PM member for a few days. This has meant I don’t particularly feel like I belong, and many many users have subtly or overtly indicated to me they consider me a tolerated outsider. Whose presence is tolerated so long as he stays within the rules and less due to shared politics or nerd interests. What this means in plain English, is I don’t feel particularly welcome here, and none of the staff or users have made any sustained effort, beyond the most facile and pro forma efforts to convince me it’s a misconception on my part. So I have to conclude my perception is correct.
I had my disagreements and criticisms of Zoe, but felt she was someone whom I could rely on as a patron. If not a friend, as she did not see me as one. I do not have the same relationship with either the new owner, or the rest of the staff.
In fact, from repeated conversations with the staff, I get the honest impression I am rather disliked to put it mildly, and that they regret my presence here.
This means my future here is in doubt. I have said I will stay to the end of the first quarter of next year, most likely.
As it is, I wish the Sietch well regardless. But whether I am a part of that future, will come down to determining what is good for my own spiritual and mental well-being, and whether or not my perceptions of staff and user attitudes are borne out or not.
Lord Invictus,
Anyway, I won’t get into the details but I am seriously considering leaving TS. I have had sustained and from what I can tell nearly irreconcilable disagreements with the staff, and concerns over the users as well.
Not because of the direction of the site, but due to other concerns, of conflicting expectations(a theme really), and attitudes and reactions experienced.
TBH, I have always felt like somewhat of an interloper. An outsider, even though I had my own SB drama, and faced substantial persecution and a conscious conspiracy, I was only a PM member for a few days. This has meant I don’t particularly feel like I belong, and many many users have subtly or overtly indicated to me they consider me a tolerated outsider. Whose presence is tolerated so long as he stays within the rules and less due to shared politics or nerd interests. What this means in plain English, is I don’t feel particularly welcome here, and none of the staff or users have made any sustained effort, beyond the most facile and pro forma efforts to convince me it’s a misconception on my part. So I have to conclude my perception is correct.
I had my disagreements and criticisms of Zoe, but felt she was someone whom I could rely on as a patron. If not a friend, as she did not see me as one. I do not have the same relationship with either the new owner, or the rest of the staff.
In fact, from repeated conversations with the staff, I get the honest impression I am rather disliked to put it mildly, and that they regret my presence here.
This means my future here is in doubt. I have said I will stay to the end of the first quarter of next year, most likely.
As it is, I wish the Sietch well regardless. But whether I am a part of that future, will come down to determining what is good for my own spiritual and mental well-being, and whether or not my perceptions of staff and user attitudes are borne out or not.
Lord Invictus,
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I’m sure there are a few that do. But I am concerned about the community as a whole.
Thing is, I don’t want to hang around where I am unwelcome. And the staff and dozens of users have made the implication of the above very clear to me.
Not to mention, very heated disagreements with the staff, have convinced me I have no supporters on staff. Disagreements over policy, and expectations.
Expectations that one way or another will not be met.
Anyway, I set the date as it is to prevent hasty or emotional decisions, and whether I’m on TS April 1st 2021 will tell you what it is.
But the bottom line is, I don’t feel welcome, I have been made to feel unwelcome, my expectations will not be conceded, and my self respect is in tatters. So I have to decide, what is best for me.
Thing is, I don’t want to hang around where I am unwelcome. And the staff and dozens of users have made the implication of the above very clear to me.
Not to mention, very heated disagreements with the staff, have convinced me I have no supporters on staff. Disagreements over policy, and expectations.
Expectations that one way or another will not be met.
Anyway, I set the date as it is to prevent hasty or emotional decisions, and whether I’m on TS April 1st 2021 will tell you what it is.
But the bottom line is, I don’t feel welcome, I have been made to feel unwelcome, my expectations will not be conceded, and my self respect is in tatters. So I have to decide, what is best for me.
Harlock
I should have expected that really
If you're going to go, just go.
One thing you're going to have to realise about the internet is that by and large nobody cares. You aren't going to find validation and fulfilment in an anonymous bubble of random people who are here for their own reasons. Go looking for that and you'll be disappointed.
Frankly you are an abhorrent human being, and no don't take that as some sort of medal, feel shame that you are seen as such. If you want to be respected become respectable. If you want to be admired be admirable. If you want to be valued become valuable.
Don't blame others for what you have brought upon yourself. You are a grown man, not a child. Start taking responsibility for your words and deeds and be a man. Nothing is more pathetic than watching a grown man scrabbling for some sort of recognition. Earn it.
One thing you're going to have to realise about the internet is that by and large nobody cares. You aren't going to find validation and fulfilment in an anonymous bubble of random people who are here for their own reasons. Go looking for that and you'll be disappointed.
Frankly you are an abhorrent human being, and no don't take that as some sort of medal, feel shame that you are seen as such. If you want to be respected become respectable. If you want to be admired be admirable. If you want to be valued become valuable.
Don't blame others for what you have brought upon yourself. You are a grown man, not a child. Start taking responsibility for your words and deeds and be a man. Nothing is more pathetic than watching a grown man scrabbling for some sort of recognition. Earn it.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Hey, I like you Lord Invictus. I really do, every post you make is interesting to read. Sometimes I disagree with you, sometimes I agree, usually it’s a combination of both. You have a world view that we don’t see every day on most forums or most ideological discussions and I feel like it’s one of the strengths of the Sietch to have you here and let you express your views. I hope that doesn’t change.
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I’m sure you felt good you resigned from staff to be able to say that.
As for your actual point, I have my principles, others have theirs.
I personally think your, one unprincipled, intellectually unserious, a grasping toady, and you have not evaluated either yourself or the world in which you live in a genuine way, merely repeating official shibboleths to broaden your popular appeal.While not actually critically examining said shibboleths, or maybe you have and fear social ostracism. Your a man with neither imagination, or true conviction. A company drone, empty as spiritually as he is intellectually. In return for scraps at the table from your peers and your superiors. And there is nothing more pathetic or sad than an otherwise intelligent man who surrenders his own mind for so little.
I’m not afraid of ostracism, only Judgement. From the One.
So...thank you for your opinion I wish everyone was as honest.
I like you as well, strange as it is a traditionalist such as yourself is an atheist. But hey, that’s my tendency to want everything to fit into recognizable patterns and categories, so don’t feel offended. Your curious in that regard, and have broadened my conceptions, something I appreciate.
The issue is, I don’t feel a majority of the users think this way. And you just saw Harlock, I can only imagine what people say about me which they do not dare tell to my face.
So I have to decide on the basis of, self respect and community will.
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O... kay, I guess? Do you feel like this site has some kind of obligation to prostrate itself at your feet and ask your forgiveness? If you're not feeling comfortable here, then feel free to leave, and I'll wish you good luck finding an online community to belong with in the future. This thread is about The Sietch's future, not Lord Invictus' future.
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Hence my not posting until today. Of course not.
Strangely, your the only one who has given me the courtesy of wishing me well.
Telling isn’t it?
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
I think frankly you need mental help, and no I don't mean you need to be tossed into an asylum. I mean I think you need to talk to a physiologist or at the very least an elder of your church. I've watched you over the past couple of years rapidly degrade from someone who was simply disgruntled to someone who seemingly screams out curses towards the human race while shouting out super villain plans about using genetic engineering and mind control drugs to turn the human race into some kind of angelic hybrid.
To be frank, I look at your post and they way you condone yourself and I see somebody who in a few years time if not sooner is going to start experimenting with God only knows what until it gets to the point where you end up homeless somewhere or worse. You've talked about having a hard time fitting in and if I remeber correctly holding down a job, and while many of us here can relate at some point you have to stop asking "What is wrong with the world?" and start asking "Is there maybe something wrong with me?
You say you only fear judgment from the One, good but know this. If you wait until the Lord holds you judgment on that final day to be held accountable, then it'll be too late.
I wish you well, and I hope one day you can find peace. But if your asking me to wish you well in your endevors as they are. I can't.
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TBH, I’m still in graduate school. So I have no idea where you heard that.
Anyway thank you for your honesty.
KilroywasNOTHere
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apologizes could be I am thinking of someone else. I do wish you luck in graduate school. That I see no harm in. Best thing I can suggest is unplug and unwhine for a bit, and again talk to your church elders.
Buba
A total creep
Going back to the OP:
1 - I have nothing of value to contribute;
2 - IMO a site can do much worse than copying SB's breakdown. I'm new here hence not used to the layout, but I have a feeling that there is some duplication and/or too fine hair splitting. Or that's simply me being the FNG. There could be/should be an AU section as otherwise I suspect that - just as at SB - the War Room will end up being the place for all such threads. So, maybe a Historical/Milhist section and one for AUs? Maybe with time an ASB section?
3 - due to a long history of uncivil engagement with members on other boards I do not put myself forward for any sort of position requiring tact and tolerance
1 - I have nothing of value to contribute;
2 - IMO a site can do much worse than copying SB's breakdown. I'm new here hence not used to the layout, but I have a feeling that there is some duplication and/or too fine hair splitting. Or that's simply me being the FNG. There could be/should be an AU section as otherwise I suspect that - just as at SB - the War Room will end up being the place for all such threads. So, maybe a Historical/Milhist section and one for AUs? Maybe with time an ASB section?
3 - due to a long history of uncivil engagement with members on other boards I do not put myself forward for any sort of position requiring tact and tolerance
Harlock
I should have expected that really
The best thing about people is they can change, right now yeesh, but that doesn't mean it will always be so. This is after all the season of reflection and personal growth, try it out.
As for me, I don't even know what shibboleth means
I'd probably have just used a word which makes me look less pretentious and desperate to look clever. The difference I think between us is that I haven't shared anything about my philosophy, my lifestyle, my visions, so any assessment you make is going to be speculation. Whereas you seem quite keen to speak your mind, so it becomes easy to measure it.Now perhaps that isn't the full you, it probably isn't, but it is what people judge you on and thats what they take away. It is the basis for how they treat you and why you see the reactions you do.
You can be a better person, but you first have to figure out why you aren't one already and I don't think you'll ever have the humility to consider that maybe all those people on your 'enemy' list might have a point.
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Judges 12 NABRE - Chapter 12 - The Shibboleth Incident. - Bible Gateway
Can also mean some form of self or group identification, connotation of being unquestioned.
Shibboleth - Wikipedia
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Guys, let's not let this turn into a personal battle between Lord Invictus and Harlock. This a thread for the future, so let's try to put negativity behind us and talk about what we hope to see here in the months to come. As LI has said, he wants to wait a few months to make any decisions and I think that we should all basically do the same. Before any of us leave, close our accounts, or burn any bridges let's first find out where those bridges might be leading.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
As far as general human interaction goes (regardless of where you are posting), there is one thing anyone has to understand: humans are idiots. Accept that fact, and everything will be better. Idiots make mistakes, so no need to be hard on yourself if you make one, nor to hold a grudge if somebody else makes one. Idiots act like assholes, so no need to be worried / incensed at people being assholes - that is just human nature. It seems to me that you have expected too much of people. I used to be that way, myself; but then I realized that I am not making myself, nor anybody else, any favours by doing so.
As far as The Sietch itself goes, I cannot say that I really understand your position. I have not had any negative experiences on this forum, at all. In fact, the atmosphere of The Sietch as a forum is rather reminiscent of other forums I like: it is familial and relaxed. Of course, this also means that some disagreements can turn ugly: but I have yet to see one which sticks in such a mode, and I frankly think that the staff had been a little too paranoid about the possibility of forum turning into an insult-throwing tantrum dome (but then, better to prevent than to cure).
So the best way is to leave whatever grudges are there behind, try to learn from any mistakes potentially made, and move forward.
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Back onto topic:
1) Creative Section and Alternate History section expansion, yes, I agree with it. In fact, I would suggest having both visual arts (drawing, painting and video) and music sections, or at least sticky threads, in the creative section.
2) What about a dedicated worldbuilding discussion (and worldbuilding) section, or that would be too much?
Harlock
I should have expected that really
That's nice, so if we're on an education spree will you at least try to have a little reflection this season? Try to consider that if a number of people from widely different places think the same thing maybe there's a point to it?
There's is a difference between being a bad person and simply having bad opinions and making bad choices. Those latter are easily changed and go a long way. Believe it or not I would prefer to see you a productive and respected member of society, but you really do need to understand first that change is needed.
Buba
A total creep
Speaking of sticky threads - how about axing/merging 9/10ths of existing ones. I personally find it off putting when half of the 1st page is made up of stickies. Or maybe the sticky section could be collapsable (a setting remembered by the forum)?
IMO would be nice.