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bintananth
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Hmm ...
If the draft comes back that'll have to change or there will be a whole bunch of conscripts who want to get caught.
I am pretty sure they will be a lot stricter and also a lot looser. probrably make them continue because everyone will be needed
I read book about soviet intelligence during and after 1926 Piłsudzki putch - first they knew nothing about it till it started,then they alarmed that Piłsudzki did so as...England puppet to lead polish 60 dyvisions/we have 30/ combined with German 60 dyvisions/had 10,could mobilise another 10/ and combined Baltic armies to conqer soviets.
Pity,that kind of fairy-tale was not real,we would live in better world.
P.S Mistake that we have 60 dyvisions - probably from captured 1925 plan - we really plan to have 60 dyvisions - in 1938.
But Piłsudzki happened,and becouse he fucked military and economy we have 39 in 1939.
Germans also belived that we have 840 planes in line/we have 315/ and P.24 fighters/none in reality/ with Potez 63 ligh bombers/we do not plan to buy them/
Buba
A total creep
True.
TBH this was a very easy mistake to make - it was quite common at that time to double the number of active Divisions at mobilisation. Hence assuming Poland expanding from 30 to 60 InfDiv seemed logical.
IIRC the actual plan in the mid 1930s was for Poland to raise 37 Divisions at mobilisation. Two of the historical 39 were last minute additions to the Plan.
I recommend the forum I mentioned. Taking sedatives while reading it is IMO a good idea, as several posters make very convincing arguments that post-1926 Poland was half way (if not better) to being a failed state.
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If they say after 1933,i would partially agree.Piłsudzki fucked economy and army,but do not made Poland failed state.Unfortunatelly from 1933 he was unable to lead,and when he declared that his power should be inherited by Walery Sławek,Rydz-śmigły,Beck and Moscicki made alliance to made that impossible.
But becouse they fought each other who would be next Piłsudzki,Poland as state drifted and have problems with unity.
If Piłsudzki made Sławek next leader in 1932,things could be better.
Bassoe
Well-known member
The corporatist foreign legion has realized almost nobody wants to die for it, if a draft was called, most men would just say they identified as women and therefore couldn’t be drafted. So suddenly, there's a totally organic push for changing the laws so women and self-identified women can also be fed to the meatgrinder.
Senate panel votes to make women register for draft
The Senate Armed Services Committee has approved language in its annual defense policy bill that would require women to register for the draft.The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) approved…thehill.com
How does women getting drafted work? They also take up guns to shoot at people or take the easier jobs too?
That isn't why but okay
Too bad they didn't succeed.
The second a draft is even floated in the US in the modern political climate, is the second the group suggesting burns a massive amount of political capital, and alienates a lot of the youth.
The only people who think a draft would realistically happen these days are people who are already fixated on a 'conventional' war happening as a foregone conclusion, and just want to make sure they have enough bodies for the grinder.
A conventional war will happen.
That is what any modern warfare will become
A 'war' may happen, but that does not mean a draft will.
Lot easier to buy more drones, and increase the load on existing soldiers/sailors, than it is to deal with the domestic backlash from even hinting that a draft may be on the table.
If you think people who believe the US is a racist nation and that it 'oppresses' minorities are going to be willing to be forced to die for it via a draft, you need to think again.
And if you think conservatives and centrists should be/are likely to be eager or willing to make up the manpower shortage for a gov that views them as possible domestic extremists, you seriously underestimate how many people of those sorts no longer believe the US gov is worth dying to protect.
Hinting at a draft be enacted would be a good way to get bipartisan rioting in the streets, as a lot of people on both sides are not going to go along with it.
Bacle.
You are saying in a war against, say China should they try to tke over the world.
That we will be throwing more and more stuff at them tech wise but have less and less numbers to replace any losses and they overwhelm us.... OR we enact a draft and have the numbers to fight a war.
I do not think you really get how out of touch with the civie side of things you sound like when you say stuff like that.
You really do not get how unpopular even mentioning a draft as a possibility would be, or how few people are willing to die on the front-lines to stop China, when most civies still expect MAD, do you?
Pretty much all civies expect war with China to end in MAD, thus they do not see the point of even contemplating a draft, because they expect the war is likely to be over before a draft could even matter.
Also, trying to enforce a draft on the current US, in the event of a 'conventional war', would be a good way to spark ACW 2.0.
You think the same people worried the Feds are going to take their guns on false red flag or extremist law grounds, or that feel the US is a racist nation that oppresses them, are going to be willing to fight and die as draftee's?
I think you need to recalibrate your expectations for how the civie side of things see any sort of conflict that makes DC even contemplate a draft, and adjust your expectations accordingly.
Unless China does something really stupid (in terms of direct, attributable military action), like on par with Pearl Harbor or the Lusitania, do not count on public support for a war with China, no matter what they do to Taiwan.
Uh. China is already hated by a lot, so them attacking Taiwan will get a stir, and since Japan and Aussie will get invovled. Two big allies Americans love...
PsihoKekec
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Sure, Winnie the Pooh will go on TV and declare they are going to conquer the world next Tuesday. Lay of the Clancy, will you? Cause it's rotting your brain.
If anything there will be series of proxy wars, which will see more of what we see now: drones, local forces, lots of contractors and minimal involvement of regular forces. Not as sexy as a full scale war, but that's a disappointment we will all have to live with.
Conventional attacks on Taiwan, Japan, or Australia will most likely result in people calling for sanctions, maybe a blockade; it won't create support for a draft or a full on war.
China may be hated by a lot of people in the US for various reasons, but that hate is not so deep many will be ok with being drafted to fight them, or risking MAD for our Pacific allies. Plus, Aussie's are often 'white oppressors', while Japan has it's own unfavorable rep with the Woke crowd; do not count on 'love' for those nations to get people to be ok with a draft.
People who could be motivated to join up by hate for China are not going to need to be drafted, because they are probably already in the military or in the process of joining.
Most others are going to be trying to find a way to 4F themselves, or just leave the country to dodge the draft like they have before, and that's not even counting states that may be unwilling to enforce draft orders in their borders.
I was using it as an example.
Not being super serious about said example.
Full scale war is going to happen.
And should China hit Guam?
You say this like it's a matter of faith, or a foregone conclusion; that is not the view of much of the public and they are not going to live their lives as though it is. Stop thinking the civies exist to serve as bodies for military actions; the military serves the civies, not the other way around.
The reality is we probably won't see a full scale war, but an increase in proxy wars, grey conflicts, and 4th/5th gen warfare via social media and corporate groups on both sides.
If they are stupid or crazy enough to attempt to strike Guam with overt military force, without a declared state of war, then everything in regards to the US response is up in the air.
However, the CCP is not so dumb as that, and people are not going to operate on the assumption they are.
The CCP will keep the conflicts in the grey zone and diplo/economic arena as long as they can, while doing everything possible to muddy the waters domestically and internationally, like with the whole Kinman Islands issue they seem to be looking at.
You treat 'conventional' war with China as a foregone conclusion, when most of the public does not, and do not seem to be able to understand, or you don't want to understand, the actual political realities of how the public views things and is likely to respond to things.