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Breaking News General Mark Milley contacted China to Avoid 'Surprise' War

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I'm not sure that "cringe" is the best way to describe this (although it fits), but seems like this is the best thread for this:

Apparently, Milley called a Chinese General to assure him that if the United States attacked China, Milley would warn him beforehand.

If Washington Post is paywalled for you (as it is for me), here's the same thing in Forbes and DailyMail. The articles focus on his "concern" that Trump would for some reason decide to attack in some sort of effort to stay in office. As far as I know, there's no support whatsoever for this alleged concern.

Curious what your thoughts are on this @Zachowon.
 

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Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley told General Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army that the United States would not strike. One call took place on October 30, 2020, four days before the election that defeated Trump. The second call was on January 8, 2021, just two days after the insurrection at the US Capitol by supporters of the outgoing chief executive.

Milley went so far as to promise Li that he would warn his counterpart in the event of a US attack, according to the book Peril, written by Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.
 

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Bypassing the chain of command to demand his subordinates ignore the Commander in Cheif and come to him if he gives any orders instead of doing whatever they were told. We already knew this since January from word of mouth and rumours, and it was confirmed in July when the humongous weasel bragged about it like a retard.



Now however we have a much worse charge, one that isn't as easy to brush aside with "muh insurrection!" line: Communicating directly with a foreign power and offering to give them intel and warnings over any military actions of the US





The first one was already bad enough, but the second chager destroys any legitimacy of the first as a good faith action. This is treason, plain and simply. The man must be hanged, and we all know he won't and instead will be hailed a hero by the Uniparty.
 
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This is why the Founders did not want a standing army.

It is far to easy for career military officers to gain enough power and institutional pull that they can begin ignoring and disobeying their civie leaders and ignore chain of command at will.

Edit: Holy crap, this was even too much for Vindman:
 

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Actually I'm curious about something, does anyone know if Milley's ever seen combat in his career? I don't mean 'commanded troops who saw combat' either, I mean 'was actually in the thick of fighting and in serious danger of getting killed at least once' like past US military luminaries Hal Moore & Norman Schwarzkopf had been on the front-lines of Vietnam. A cursory look at his list of awards on his Wiki page shows me the Purple Heart is missing, unlike those two examples.

When the generals are just bureaucrats & politicians in uniform as opposed to actual soldiers, I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise that they would be self-serving monsters playing politics like their equivalents in the civilian establishment. Up to & including spying for foreign enemies for their own benefit, and/or in an attempt to screw over countrymen they don't like.
 

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I for one am okay with hanging this fucking traitor.

This is outright treason.
Like I've said in another thread, I really don't think this is a problem that can be solved just by putting Milley's head on a spike (figuratively or otherwise). There's no way the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is a Chinese spy but nobody else high up there is, I'd bet my left nut that there's an entire apparatus of pro-Chinese fifth columnists working overtime beneath him to sabotage the US military and ensure that it'd lose any war with China before that war even begins. This is a matter that should be investigated thoroughly and a wholesale purge enacted of the military to purify it of similarly minded traitors, lest one of them replace Milley in the future, if (and I know that's a big if...) a patriotic Republican can regain power in 2024 or 2028.

Between how the withdrawal from Afghanistan played out and this, it's really starting to look as if a little bit of gekokujo might actually improve the state of the US military. Never have I seen a more justified time for the enlisted to assassinate their superiors on charges of insufficient patriotism than now - better a bunch of vacancies and chaos now than having the entirety of the armed forces run by active traitors when the shooting starts, surely?
 

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Actually I'm curious about something, does anyone know if Milley's ever seen combat in his career? I don't mean 'commanded troops who saw combat' either, I mean 'was actually in the thick of fighting and in serious danger of getting killed at least once' like past US military luminaries Hal Moore & Norman Schwarzkopf had been on the front-lines of Vietnam. A cursory look at his list of awards on his Wiki page shows me the Purple Heart is missing, unlike those two examples.

When the generals are just bureaucrats & politicians in uniform as opposed to actual soldiers, I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise that they would be self-serving monsters playing politics like their equivalents in the civilian establishment. Up to & including spying for foreign enemies for their own benefit, and/or in an attempt to screw over countrymen they don't like.
He served in Panama (Just Cause in 1989) and IFOR in Bosnia in the 1990s, then Iraqi Freedom.

The Purple Heart is for individuals who are wounded in combat, not for anyone who served in a war zone. Him not getting one just means he was lucky enough not to get shot.

That said, that he even thought this was a good idea let alone did it is absolutely insane. He needs to either resign or be relieved. He didn't *technically* commit treason, but he came AWFULLY close to suborning it.
 

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Actually I'm curious about something, does anyone know if Milley's ever seen combat in his career? I don't mean 'commanded troops who saw combat' either, I mean 'was actually in the thick of fighting and in serious danger of getting killed at least once' like past US military luminaries Hal Moore & Norman Schwarzkopf had been on the front-lines of Vietnam. A cursory look at his list of awards on his Wiki page shows me the Purple Heart is missing, unlike those two examples.
I asked my husband who served in the Army. He actually tells me that as a Brave young Officer, Milley ride in with the first wave into Panama during Operation Just Cause!!! :oops:😲

Wait there's more...

He did so on a surfboard?!?!? :unsure::cautious:
 
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Trump on the news: "If true he should be tried for TREASON!"


Trump's statement

 

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Yeah, IF IT'S TRUE*, this looks to be one of the few surprising cases that does rise to the level of treason as covered by the US Constitution.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The only potential quibble I can imagine would be whether his promise of giving information amounts to 'giving' itself. Which...For how specific the Constitution's treason clause is, having to hang up on that degree of technicality speaks volumes itself. (Course, maybe my backwoods country lawyer schtick isn't up to the task of parsing the potentials here).

Regardless of outright treason charges, seems like it'd fall under one or more offenses by UCMJ. Conspiracy, sedition/mutiny, espionage, and aiding the enemy seeming the candidates )again, to my backwoods country-lawyer schtick-reading).

Of course, I imagine that, at absolute worst, Milley will resign over this at present rank and retire onto the board of some multimillion-dollar military-contractor with his pension.

*Somewhat ironically, this being 'fake news' is really the only possible saving grace from the shitshow.
 

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Yeah, IF IT'S TRUE*, this looks to be one of the few surprising cases that does rise to the level of treason as covered by the US Constitution.
I would agree. Certainly if Flynn was racked over the coals by the FBI for simply talking to the Russians and lying about it, Milley speaking behind Trump's back to the Chinese is much worse.

The only potential quibble I can imagine would be whether his promise of giving information amounts to 'giving' itself. Which...For how specific the Constitution's treason clause is, having to hang up on that degree of technicality speaks volumes itself. (Course, maybe my backwoods country lawyer schtick isn't up to the task of parsing the potentials here).

Regardless of outright treason charges, seems like it'd fall under one or more offenses by UCMJ. Conspiracy, sedition/mutiny, espionage, and aiding the enemy seeming the candidates )again, to my backwoods country-lawyer schtick-reading).

Of course, I imagine that, at absolute worst, Milley will resign over this at present rank and retire onto the board of some multimillion-dollar military-contractor with his pension.

*Somewhat ironically, this being 'fake news' is really the only possible saving grace from the shitshow.
Has he admitted to this himself or is this simply what the author claims? If it's the latter, I doubt anything is going to happen unless Democrats also get angry about it. But given his apparent belief that Trump wanted to swarm the capital with browncoats, I'm not surprised he did this.

Most probably, I don't think Milley would actually spill to the Chinese. I think he was probably trying to ease tensions with the Chinese. He might have feared the Chinese trying to take Taiwan or otherwise more aggressively pushing against the US or possibly launching an attack against nearby US bases. As powerful as the US is, our punching power in China's neighborhood is not as great as other places and if my memory serves, a surprise attack from China could be pretty damaging. And what China might have thought as a warning, the US could very well interpret as apocalyptic.

But that's me wandering into the realm of mind reading. Milley should step down from his position for this. Whether he honestly thought he was doing the right thing for America, he should not have said that.
 

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From what has been said aides of his in the Pentagon are willing to testify under oath and the phonecall was picked up by other members of the Five Eyes alliance, so there is some very solid evidence to cover the "two witnesses" requirement making his confession unnecessary. Add that to the fact he has gone on the record about his "Reichstag" comments that really make him look sus already we are looking at a case where the only thing that might save him is some powerful alibi or the Uniparty simply agreeing to let treason slide, and that second one is looking very likely.
 

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From what has been said aides of his in the Pentagon are willing to testify under oath and the phonecall was picked up by other members of the Five Eyes alliance, so there is some very solid evidence to cover the "two witnesses" requirement making his confession unnecessary. Add that to the fact he has gone on the record about his "Reichstag" comments that really make him look sus already we are looking at a case where the only thing that might save him is some powerful alibi or the Uniparty simply agreeing to let treason slide, and that second one is looking very likely.
And won’t THAT have some knock on effects...

Hopefully.
 

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Look at everything else Milley had done in regards to pushing CRT divisive shit in the military, the bad pull out of afghanistan...With the thought that he is a Chinese agent in mind, it all makes sense.

He's been working to weaken the US military while offering information to the top Chinese military officer.

If this is real, this is HUGE.
 

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He served in Panama (Just Cause in 1989) and IFOR in Bosnia in the 1990s, then Iraqi Freedom.

The Purple Heart is for individuals who are wounded in combat, not for anyone who served in a war zone. Him not getting one just means he was lucky enough not to get shot.

That said, that he even thought this was a good idea let alone did it is absolutely insane. He needs to either resign or be relieved. He didn't *technically* commit treason, but he came AWFULLY close to suborning it.
Yes, I'm aware of all that - it was on the same article I was referencing. But as I was saying, I was curious not as to whether Milley has ever partaken in any military operation before, but did so on the ground and risked his life while a junior officer, or if he was the sort of staff officer who's never actually left base while on tour somewhere there was fighting.

I ask because I've legitimately never heard anything about him having actually fought anywhere, which is not the case with most other generals - Robert B. Abrams, for example, I can find led his unit as a lieutenant during Desert Storm (and also doesn't have the Purple Heart), and of course Jim Mattis had enough of a record to gain the Marines' reverence, regardless of his later politics. Even Hal Moore, who was such a humble dude that he tried to return his own Purple Heart because he felt he hadn't been injured badly enough to deserve it, hasn't made a secret of his combat record. The description of Milley's early military career on that Wiki article is in general much shorter and less detailed than pretty much all of his predecessors that I cared to look at just now (went as far back as Peter Pace and Richard Myers).

This is not to suggest that Milley cannot have ever seen frontline action - perhaps he has and I just didn't know about it, hence why I'm asking - or that if he did, then it somehow means he's above playing politics. There's been plenty of generals in history who saw combat and also turned out to be backstabbing, manipulative assholes. But if it turns out Milley actually is the kind of political general who never had to fear for his life on tour...well, first of all it'd be kind of ridiculous if the Joint Chiefs Chairman is a guy who's never ever seen combat, but secondly it would fit the pattern of what I've been hearing about a lot of Obama-era appointees to the military's upper echelons: that they're basically political operatives in uniform installed to ensure institutional loyalty to a partisan faction rather than actual soldiers chosen on the basis of merit.
 
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