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Breaking News General Mark Milley contacted China to Avoid 'Surprise' War

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Actually I'm curious about something, does anyone know if Milley's ever seen combat in his career? I don't mean 'commanded troops who saw combat' either, I mean 'was actually in the thick of fighting and in serious danger of getting killed at least once' like past US military luminaries Hal Moore & Norman Schwarzkopf had been on the front-lines of Vietnam. A cursory look at his list of awards on his Wiki page shows me the Purple Heart is missing, unlike those two examples.

When the generals are just bureaucrats & politicians in uniform as opposed to actual soldiers, I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise that they would be self-serving monsters playing politics like their equivalents in the civilian establishment. Up to & including spying for foreign enemies for their own benefit, and/or in an attempt to screw over countrymen they don't like.
Yes, I'm aware of all that - it was on the same article I was referencing. But as I was saying, I was curious not as to whether Milley has ever partaken in any military operation before, but did so on the ground and risked his life while a junior officer, or if he was the sort of staff officer who's never actually left base while on tour somewhere there was fighting.

I ask because I've legitimately never heard anything about him having actually fought anywhere, which is not the case with most other generals - Robert B. Abrams, for example, I can find led his unit as a lieutenant during Desert Storm (and also doesn't have the Purple Heart), and of course Jim Mattis had enough of a record to gain the Marines' reverence, regardless of his later politics. Even Hal Moore, who was such a humble dude that he tried to return his own Purple Heart because he felt he hadn't been injured badly enough to deserve it, hasn't made a secret of his combat record. The description of Milley's early military career on that Wiki article is in general much shorter and less detailed than pretty much all of his predecessors that I cared to look at just now (went as far back as Peter Pace and Richard Myers).

This is not to suggest that Milley cannot have ever seen frontline action - perhaps he has and I just didn't know about it, hence why I'm asking - or that if he did, then it somehow means he's above playing politics. There's been plenty of generals in history who saw combat and also turned out to be backstabbing, manipulative assholes. But if it turns out Milley actually is the kind of political general who never had to fear for his life on tour...well, first of all it'd be kind of ridiculous if the Joint Chiefs Chairman is a guy who's never ever seen combat, but secondly it would fit the pattern of what I've been hearing about a lot of Obama-era appointees to the military's upper echelons: that they're basically political operatives in uniform installed to ensure institutional loyalty to a partisan faction rather than actual soldiers chosen on the basis of merit.
As others have explained.
You can tell if someone saw action by certain badges they earned.
The CIB or the CAB for POGs.
He has the CIB, Combat Infantry Badge. It means as someone below the rank of colonal had been in active Combat. Though one can get it from mortar shots and he like, he still was shot at and I'm an active firefight. Dude js Infantry, so definitely saw combat
 

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I would agree. Certainly if Flynn was racked over the coals by the FBI for simply talking to the Russians and lying about it, Milley speaking behind Trump's back to the Chinese is much worse.



Has he admitted to this himself or is this simply what the author claims? If it's the latter, I doubt anything is going to happen unless Democrats also get angry about it. But given his apparent belief that Trump wanted to swarm the capital with browncoats, I'm not surprised he did this.

Most probably, I don't think Milley would actually spill to the Chinese. I think he was probably trying to ease tensions with the Chinese. He might have feared the Chinese trying to take Taiwan or otherwise more aggressively pushing against the US or possibly launching an attack against nearby US bases. As powerful as the US is, our punching power in China's neighborhood is not as great as other places and if my memory serves, a surprise attack from China could be pretty damaging. And what China might have thought as a warning, the US could very well interpret as apocalyptic.

But that's me wandering into the realm of mind reading. Milley should step down from his position for this. Whether he honestly thought he was doing the right thing for America, he should not have said that.
Any attack China would do on a US base or Taiwam would have to be big enough to take on 2 full carriers. As well as multiple B52s and B2s from the US.

Let's put it this way. INDOPACOM is not weak
Look at everything else Milley had done in regards to pushing CRT divisive shit in the military, the bad pull out of afghanistan...With the thought that he is a Chinese agent in mind, it all makes sense.

He's been working to weaken the US military while offering information to the top Chinese military officer.

If this is real, this is HUGE.
He talked about it.
I have never seen anything training wise about CRT or anything like that happen.
Because CRT already goes against an older and very effective policy the Army has. EO.
 

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Any attack China would do on a US base or Taiwam would have to be big enough to take on 2 full carriers. As well as multiple B52s and B2s from the US.

Let's put it this way. INDOPACOM is not weak
The Chinese have more than enough firepower to give us a bloody nose and plunge us into a hot war. They won't win, but there is enough firepower there that the Chinese could kill a fair amount of service men. Of course, we would see any sort of mobilization like that coming.
 

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The Liberty Tree HUNGERS.
I have the distinct feeling that the Liberty Tree is going to be very disappointed for the foreseeable future.

Unless someone in the current administration decides that they need a scapegoat to distract from Biden’s failings, Miley probably isn’t going anywhere.
 

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The Chinese have more than enough firepower to give us a bloody nose and plunge us into a hot war. They won't win, but there is enough firepower there that the Chinese could kill a fair amount of service men. Of course, we would see any sort of mobilization like that coming.
A bloody nose is what Japan did as well.
And yes we would.
A attack we wouldn't see coming would be a lot harder and no where near as large
 

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I have the distinct feeling that the Liberty Tree is going to be very disappointed for the foreseeable future.

Unless someone in the current administration decides that they need a scapegoat to distract from Biden’s failings, Miley probably isn’t going anywhere.
I mean... this could be used to completely shuffle the blame of the Afghanistan withdraw onto Miley and from Biden, especially if the media aids in the blame shift.
 

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I knew that Milley was human excrement, but this takes things to a new level. If our country wasn’t utterly controlled by traitors and enemies, Milley would spend the rest of his life behind bars. But since we are, he probably won’t even lose his job and may even become a heroic figure with all kinds of big book deals and speaking fees.
 

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PS

The Chinese aren’t suicidal or crazy, they wouldn’t want a hot war with us. However, I’m sure they were overjoyed to hear what a traitorous bastard Milley is and I’m sure it made them feel more confident about taking actions against us or against other nations in the region - like Taiwan.
 

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I mean... this could be used to completely shuffle the blame of the Afghanistan withdraw onto Miley and from Biden, especially if the media aids in the blame shift.
Probably too early to tell, but I'm not sure that Biden is going to want to serve Milley up on a silver platter. Especially if he'd warned the admin about certain actions that they'd taken in the withdrawal that they'd ignored behind closed doors. If this were two or three weeks ago maybe, but there's no reason to oust him unless this gains momentum. If he goes, it's because of this. Tacking on extra blame would be counterproductive.
 

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Probably too early to tell, but I'm not sure that Biden is going to want to serve Milley up on a silver platter. Especially if he'd warned the admin about certain actions that they'd taken in the withdrawal that they'd ignored behind closed doors. If this were two or three weeks ago maybe, but there's no reason to oust him unless this gains momentum. If he goes, it's because of this. Tacking on extra blame would be counterproductive.
The military is going to be up in arms (not literally) about this
 

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I bet they are, but it needs to gain momentum. We'll probably get an idea of how bad this is by tomorrow or the day after.
I won't be in work until next week, and by then it will have spread far
 

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The military is going to be up in arms (not literally) about this.
Na, the media spin's already started, and they are completely ignoring the China phone call and only talking about the nuke lecture part.
 

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They are, but they hear about stuff through the media.

Heck, even the military reddits are spamming the nuke lecture instead of the phone call story.
It's reddit.
The people at the level I am at, the nuke angle doesn't mean much
 

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They are, but they hear about stuff through the media.

Heck, even the military reddits are spamming the nuke lecture instead of the phone call story.
You have to be pretty fucking ignorant or full on in the genera's corner to accept that argument. The US and China are not ever going to start lobbying nukes against each other.
 

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Multiple Threads about General Milley and his TREASON Merged Together.
 
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