Terthna
Professional Lurker
No, Rufus was a duck.
French elections and politics thread.
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Very fitting for the man, wouldn't you say?
That sounds hopeful, maybe France can get an actual French government (that is a government that believes in France).
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
I am sure this will help Macron on the polls lmao
Also despite the issues Zenmour got a pretty good share of the vote when you take into account his "out of nowhere" start and constant slander by mainstream media. Given the results we have at the moment is Zenmour's people throw their weight onto LePen she has a shot but the issue is the commie and openly left candidate. I can absolutely see those votes just openly backing Macron to stop the "nazis" winning which would lead France into more of the same.
And given the current climate, that is a guaranteed bomb waiting to explode.
gral
Well-known member
I don't see Le Pen winning anything else than Zemmour's voters, while voters for all other candidates go 'anyone but Le Pen' again.
Are you sure that Melenchon's voters would prefer a neoliberal to a "fascist" in 2022 just like they did in 2017? :
Holy moly! Melenchon was less than 1.5% away from an upset and him advancing into the second round with Macron:
Zemmour's main role here was almost to act as spoiler for Le Pen, thus almost ensuring that neither of them would actually get into the second round of the election.
Zemmour's main role here was almost to act as spoiler for Le Pen, thus almost ensuring that neither of them would actually get into the second round of the election.
Agent23
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Thought so, if he doesn't throw his weight behind Le Pen then we know he is an intentional spoiler.
He apparently already endorsed her
:FWIW, I myself would vote for Marine Le Pen. Why? Because I want to stop the Great Replacement in France. Specifically, I don't want any more killers like the Chechen Muslim fundamentalist who killed Samuel Paty to end up in France. I don't want any future repeats of the Charlie Hebdo massacre. I don't want any repeats of Theo van Gogh's murder by a Muslim fundamentalist, though that one occurred in the Netherlands.
The fact that Marine Le Pen has a social democratic economic policy also significantly helps matters, of course. Caring for French workers and the like. But Yeah, maybe France's Muslim community could integrate better if the troublemakers among them got deported or at least were encouraged to leave. The same would, of course, apply to any other French troublemakers who have somewhere else to move to.
I don't like the far-right that much, but at the same time, I do wonder if it's the best response to both the spread of radical Islam and demographic change in Europe.
The fact that Marine Le Pen has a social democratic economic policy also significantly helps matters, of course. Caring for French workers and the like. But Yeah, maybe France's Muslim community could integrate better if the troublemakers among them got deported or at least were encouraged to leave. The same would, of course, apply to any other French troublemakers who have somewhere else to move to.
I don't like the far-right that much, but at the same time, I do wonder if it's the best response to both the spread of radical Islam and demographic change in Europe.
Agent23
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Yeah.
Arlos
Sad Monarchist
Everyone was surprised he did this well, as I said, he’s really hard left, even for most socialist.
Agent23
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Let me guess, he is endorsing MILFcaroni?
Arlos
Sad Monarchist
No way, his base would kill him, he did say very loudly not to give a single vote to Marine Le Pen tough.
Agent23
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So Indirect Endorsement, got it.
It's France.
They would probably riot over voting.
Yeah, I want French Muslims to successfully integrate just like Hispanics have more-or-less managed to do in the US (other than for their continuing academic underperformance). But to do that, a firmer line probably needs to be taken against their troublemakers and massively cutting Muslim immigration would probably significantly help.
Interestingly enough, the French military is the one place in France where Muslims integrate fairly well:
In France’s Military, Muslims Find a Tolerance That Is Elusive Elsewhere (Published 2021)
In a nation wary of the growth of Islam, France’s military has embraced and integrated its Muslim soldiers by facilitating their religious practice.
Maybe a part of the reason is that France is selective about which Muslims it accepts into the French military? Blacks in the US military also tend to integrate pretty well, to my knowledge, and possibly for the same reason(s).
FWIW, I do admire Macron for some of the things that he did, such as defending freedom of speech in regards to Muhammad cartoons after Samuel Paty's murder. If it's fair game to burn national flags (including the French flag) and other religious books and to make cartoons of other religions, then it seems kind of unfair to create an exception for Islam. I mean, don't get me wrong, I myself would probably never make fun of Islam in this way because I myself don't actually want to risk getting murdered for this, but I really do wish that people could do this without the risk of getting murdered or physically harmed by Muslim extremists, you know? Muslims murdering people over "Islamophobic" speech would be similar to rednecks murdering people over burning the US flag.
Ricardolindo
Well-known member
There is no Great Replacement. Muslims are not going to become the majority in France. Macron, himself, is fairly critical of Islamic communities in France.
Depends on just how much immigration we are going to see here. After all, Sub-Saharan Africa will have around four billion people by the end of this century. I have no doubt that at least one billion of them would want to move to the West if they could.