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[ThatZenoGuy]

This is one of those things where I truely disagree with you.

Every society every culture every country has a fuck it point. A point where you have so pissed off the relevant people that this kind of moral grandstanding no longer works. Historically speaking fucking over your own military in favor of hoodlums typrically ends with said military killing the civilian leadership and taking power.

Oh in that regard I am not disagreeing with you at all, that is how things should be and I approve of such.

But most armies nowadays are trying their best to remove nationalists and other peoples who would put the people over the government. Nigel Stevenson might want to defend Britain from the tyrannical hordes, but Dequan Desquarious Jackson might be less inclined. Just a hunch though.

 

[Zachowon]

What do you mean? There feral pack completely kicked the shit out of the marines. Soldiers are trained to fight and kill, but they aren't sci-fi supersoldiers. Even a 2 to 1 advantage requires extreme skill to get out of unscathed.
Frankly the marines should've been packing.

And if anybody tries anything with these ferals now, they'll get their asses destroyed in court.
Imagine the headlines, "Racist White soldiers brutally beat up innocent 240 pound 20 year old teens in unprovoked supremacist conflict"

If the Marines live on post they wouldn't be carrying because it is night impossible to get your weapon out of the armory to carry on a night out

Oh in that regard I am not disagreeing with you at all, that is how things should be and I approve of such.

But most armies nowadays are trying their best to remove nationalists and other peoples who would put the people over the government. Nigel Stevenson might want to defend Britain from the tyrannical hordes, but Dequan Desquarious Jackson might be less inclined. Just a hunch though.

You would be surprised on what kinda soldiers join the combat arms compared to the ones that dont

 

[Rocinante]

What do you mean? There feral pack completely kicked the shit out of the marines. Soldiers are trained to fight and kill, but they aren't sci-fi supersoldiers. Even a 2 to 1 advantage requires extreme skill to get out of unscathed.
Frankly the marines should've been packing.

And if anybody tries anything with these ferals now, they'll get their asses destroyed in court.
Imagine the headlines, "Racist White soldiers brutally beat up innocent 240 pound 20 year old teens in unprovoked supremacist conflict"

People think just because someone is in the armed forces, they can fight.

The truth is, they get essentially a crash course and a little practice in hand to hand.

They'd probably take your average dude on a 1 on 1 fight 7 out of 10 times. If that dude has any kind of wrestling or athletic background that number drops.

I'd give 50/50 odds of soldier vs guy who watches lots of UFC and "trains" with youtube videos and a few friends in his back yard.

I was tearing apart armed forces types with ease when I trained Bjj/mma, even with only like 3-6 month in. They'd come in thinking the army/marines made them tough and then get fucking smoked. The ones that stuck around after being humbled, though, became pretty bad ass.

 

[King Arts]

People think just because someone is in the armed forces, they can fight.

The truth is, they get essentially a crash course and a little practice in hand to hand.

They'd probably take your average dude on a 1 on 1 fight 7 out of 10 times. If that dude has any kind of wrestling or athletic background that number drops.

I'd give 50/50 odds of soldier vs guy who watches lots of UFC and "trains" with youtube videos and a few friends in his back yard.

I was tearing apart armed forces types with ease when I trained Bjj/mma, even with only like 3-6 month in. They'd come in thinking the army/marines made them tough and then get fucking smoked. The ones that stuck around after being humbled, though, became pretty bad ass.

Because again war fighting power is not based on physical strength anymore, now a strong army requires high technology drones, computer systems advanced tanks helicopter planes and artillery systems. Infantry with rifles is the last thing and even then the fighting is at a distance. Hand to hand combat and physical strength is not important. That’s why I’m not opposed to women in combat arms.

 

[Wargamer08]

Because again war fighting power is not based on physical strength anymore, now a strong army requires high technology drones, computer systems advanced tanks helicopter planes and artillery systems. Infantry with rifles is the last thing and even then the fighting is at a distance. Hand to hand combat and physical strength is not important. That’s why I’m not opposed to women in combat arms.

No, the Ukrainian war has proven that dead wrong. You need infantry by the tens of thousands to take and clear cities. Honestly it's further proven out that infantry small arms doesn't need more then 200 meters of effective range. Basically you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

No, the Ukrainian war has proven that dead wrong. You need infantry by the tens of thousands to take and clear cities. Honestly it's further proven out that infantry small arms doesn't need more then 200 meters of effective range. Basically you couldn't be more wrong.

Russian/Ukrainian incompetence hardly applies to other armies. For christ sake in year of our lord 2023 Russians still don't have a tank with blowout panels.

America figured this shit out in the 70's.

 

[King Arts]

No, the Ukrainian war has proven that dead wrong. You need infantry by the tens of thousands to take and clear cities. Honestly it's further proven out that infantry small arms doesn't need more then 200 meters of effective range. Basically you couldn't be more wrong.

The infantry is needed to hold the ground you take and that makes them almost glorified police.
The Russian military is incompetent the Ukrainians don’t have advanced technology if they had advanced fighters the Russians would have their land forces wiped out.

 

[Typhonis]

The problem with the whole after me the deluge is that the deluge always ends up coming.

The other problem? The deluge tends to not be seen coming. So they will look surprised to be holding an empty bag when the time comes.

Was there a base nearby? Because the base commander can refuse to allow military personnel to visit the town. I'm sure that will do wonderful things to the local economy.

 

[Bacle]

Hah that just gets you more no win headlines. You end up with brutal, babykilling fascist troops gun down youthful vibrant teens who were just jogging.

Insanity is doing the same old thing and expecting different innercity outcomes.

Yeah, that's how you end up with Kent State 2.0 or worse, when it finally goes bad.

If troops want to carry personally bought firearms off-base, that's their 2A right.

However carrying their duty weapons on outings in the local communities due to fear of 'unfriendly' locals is where it becomes less a 2A issue, and more a 'why are you guys acting like occupation forces' issue.

It would only widen the already existing gulf between the US civies and the military in the areas around those bases.

 

[Zachowon]

People think just because someone is in the armed forces, they can fight.

The truth is, they get essentially a crash course and a little practice in hand to hand.

They'd probably take your average dude on a 1 on 1 fight 7 out of 10 times. If that dude has any kind of wrestling or athletic background that number drops.

I'd give 50/50 odds of soldier vs guy who watches lots of UFC and "trains" with youtube videos and a few friends in his back yard.

I was tearing apart armed forces types with ease when I trained Bjj/mma, even with only like 3-6 month in. They'd come in thinking the army/marines made them tough and then get fucking smoked. The ones that stuck around after being humbled, though, became pretty bad ass.

Depends if those soldiers are actually combative trained or just thinking thier hot shit because they learned a little.

There is a vast diffrenxe between someone Combatives level 1 trained and someone level 3 trained.

 

[Rocinante]

Depends if those soldiers are actually combative trained or just thinking thier hot shit because they learned a little.

There is a vast diffrenxe between someone Combatives level 1 trained and someone level 3 trained.

I've trained with them all. The better trained ones know some sloppy bjj basics and do know some stuff about fighting dirty for survival. They'll take a random dude on the street any day.

Still will get smoked by a dude with 3-6 months self defense oriented BJJ training.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

You're likely going to see targeted reprisals by the Marines...unofficially and completely deniable of course.

 

[Wargamer08]

Russian/Ukrainian incompetence hardly applies to other armies. For christ sake in year of our lord 2023 Russians still don't have a tank with blowout panels.

America figured this shit out in the 70's.

The Filipino army clearing out their cities of Islamic terrorists and the US Marines in Iraq. Cities held by committed infantry need to be cleared by infantry. Both had a hyper over match in air and armor. Both needed lots of burly men with small arms to get it done.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

The Filipino army clearing out their cities of Islamic terrorists and the US Marines in Iraq. Cities held by committed infantry need to be cleared by infantry. Both had a hyper over match in air and armor. Both needed lots of burly men with small arms to get it done.

Cities held by infantry can be wiped off the map by strikes over a hundred kilometers away.
Now it isn't very pretty to do so, so most people don't do it nowadays. But if you want a square on the map grid gone, you can make it disappear.

 

[Wargamer08]

Cities held by infantry can be wiped off the map by strikes over a hundred kilometers away.
Now it isn't very pretty to do so, so most people don't do it nowadays. But if you want a square on the map grid gone, you can make it disappear.

Lol what. Yes I guess if you're dropping megaton yield nukes on cities it makes infantry pointless. 80 years of city fighting prove you wrong otherwise. It's been the lie of the air force for almost a hundred years that air power would make urban fighting irrelevant. It's still not happened.

 

[Zachowon]

I've trained with them all. The better trained ones know some sloppy bjj basics and do know some stuff about fighting dirty for survival. They'll take a random dude on the street any day.

Still will get smoked by a dude with 3-6 months self defense oriented BJJ training.

How long ago was this?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Lol what. Yes I guess if you're dropping megaton yield nukes on cities it makes infantry pointless. 80 years of city fighting prove you wrong otherwise. It's been the lie of the air force for almost a hundred years that air power would make urban fighting irrelevant. It's still not happened.

The battles that have taken place for the past while were usually battles where 'wipe that city lmao' was not an option for optics reasons.
The exception is basically vietnam because 'remove an entire nation's forest' was not an option with the exception of nukes.

 

[King Arts]

Depends if those soldiers are actually combative trained or just thinking thier hot shit because they learned a little.

There is a vast diffrenxe between someone Combatives level 1 trained and someone level 3 trained.

I mean yes the special forces guys are bad ass in what they do but again they are mortal the strongest man in the world can’t beat 40 other guys hanging up on him at the same time. Sorry Zach I too wish we lived in an anime.

You're likely going to see targeted reprisals by the Marines...unofficially and completely deniable of course.

Against who? Like all we know is that it’s a gang of “youths” do they have the names of these people?

 

[Bear Ribs]

Cities held by infantry can be wiped off the map by strikes over a hundred kilometers away.
Now it isn't very pretty to do so, so most people don't do it nowadays. But if you want a square on the map grid gone, you can make it disappear.

So can the airstrip launching drones, the base where tanks are maintained and fueled, the aircraft carrier group patrolling the seas, and the launchpad sending satellites into space. If we used "can be destroyed by nukes" as a standard for something being obsolete there aren't any usable military assets anymore.

Ironically, that argument actually makes infantry the best military asset as they can both be put next to/inside an asset the enemy doesn't want destroyed and can be spread out enough to make nuking that vast an area both unappealing and too expensive to be worth it, unlike, say, drones that can't survive without large amounts of infrastructure.

Against who? Like all we know is that it’s a gang of “youths” do they have the names of these people?

I mean, the Marines were there in-person and military training includes a lot of situational awareness so the odds that they have more information than us who just read an article and watched a short video is pretty high.

 

[Zachowon]

Infantry hold the land the air force bombs to smitherings