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Someone mentioned in the comments that some of the members of the Choir have been matched to Commiefornia's sex-offender registry, but obviously I don't know if that's true or not. So, um.
Yeah.
the lyrics, if anyone doesn't want to listen:
I perceived it as a joke but not really a joke.
As in, the song was written as a joke, but the writers are joking about it because they really believe it.
This was before I heard about the sex offender thing. If the sex offender thing turns out true, then I have no doubt my interpretation was correct.
Context: the San Francisco Gay Men's Choir released an original song about coming for your children. No, really, "we’re coming for them, we’re coming for your children" is an actual lyric from the song. So is "But you’re just frightened, you think that we'll corrupt your kids if our agenda goes unchecked. Funny, just this once, you’re correct." and "we don’t care… we’ll convert your children". I wish I was fucking joking.
As if on cue, our friends over on /pol/ did some investigating and found that at least one of them is a convicted felon on charges of...you guessed it, pedophilia. The slippery slope is no longer a logical fallacy, it's an observable fucking phenomenon. Shove this photo into the faces of anyone that tries to claim otherwise. I'd say it's unbelievable, but I've seen fags operate for years. The word I'd use now is "sickening".
SIX AND COUNTING!
I also found this post as well, which, at least to my read through seems to stand up. Needless to say the conclusions it points to are...alarming to say the least.
The ratio of homosexual pedophiles to heterosexual pedophiles is 11:1 which means gays are 5 times more likely to molest children assuming gays comprise about 2% of the population.
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756
and myself:
To add to that, [the most important part]
Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescence Molestion in Heterosexual adn Homosexual Persons Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescence Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons
In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of homosexual men in contrast to 7% of heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation. This research is apparently the first survey that has reported substantial homosexual molestation of girls. Suggestions for future research were offered.
So basically it's very likely that homosexuals themselves are a product of molestation (and obviously molestation has negative consequences on psyche - but they can, in theory, be corrected/healed).
There are legitimate concerns oversampling, however, given the enormous difference in between groups, that becomes less relevant.
And this would also explain the skewed ration of 11:1 in pedophilia, considering the theory that generally abused people tend to repeat the act they've been subjected to.*
They probably had the cognition scheme for sexuality and intimacy messed up and they're simply acting on it.
*This is what u/Ghost_Goggles added when we were talking in PMs in regards to legacy and cycle of abuse:
There's a NY Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/01/24/science/sad-legacy-of-abuse-the-search-for-remedies.html?pagewanted=all
And a government sponsored domain: Cycle of Abuse - Child Welfare Information Gateway
More context (previous researches) for the second research paper (Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescence Molestion in Heterosexual adn Homosexual Persons ):
Bradford et al. (1994) reported that 25% of 1,925 lesbians surveyed had been sexually abused or raped as children. They said that 31% of the perpetrators were male relatives, 45% other known men, 45% male strangers, and 1% women (it is not known why this totaled 122%). In interviews with 35 lesbian women in alcoholic recovery, 16 (46%) revealed sexual abuse, even though they were not asked about sexual abuse (Hall, 1996). The onset of the molestation ranged from <4 years to 12 years, with 10 of the women being younger than 7 years at the time of the molestation. Fourteen of the 16 women were molested only by men. One was molested by multiple intrafamilial males and one extrafamilial female. Another was molested by her father and by one extrafamilial female.
Simari and Baskin (1982) determined the extent of incestuous experiences in 54 gay men and 29 gay women. Twenty-?ve (46%) of the gay men reported experiencing incest, all of the homosexual sort, between 9 and 16 years of age with a mean age of 13 years. Twenty-four (96%) of the 25 men who experienced incest viewed themselves as homosexual before the incest. Eleven (38%) of the 29 gay women reported experiencing incest, heterosexual in seven (64%) of the cases, with two (29%) of these women regarding themselves as homosexual before the incest. Four (36%) of the 11 women experienced homosexual incest, with 3 (25%) of them regarding themselves as homosexual before the incest.
In research by Doll et al. (1992), 1,001 homosexual and bisexual men in sexually transmitted disease clinics were interviewed. Thirty-seven percent of these men reported having been forced or encouraged to have sex by an older and more powerful person, before the age of 19. The median age of these events was 10 years. The median age difference between the younger and older participants in the sex acts was 11 years. In 94% of the cases, the older person was male, in 5% female, and 1% involved both male and female perpetrators. Cameron and Cameron (1995) surveyed 5,182 adults and found a history of incest in 22.3% of homosexual men, 1.2% of heterosexual men, 3.4% of homosexual women, and 0.3% of heterosexual women. The authors did not provide any information about the age of molestation.
Cameron and Cameron pointed out that their findings are consistent with the findings of Bell et al. (1981) who reported a history of sibling incest in 15.6% of homosexual men, 9.0% of heterosexual men, 10.4% of homosexual women, and 5.6% of homosexual women. Bell et al. did not specify the gender of the other partner in the incestuous acts.
Gundlach (1977) surveyed 225 lesbian and 233 heterosexual women, and found that 30% of the heterosexual women and 21% of the lesbians had been raped. Of the 30 women who had been raped before the age of 14, 26 had an adult homosexual orientation while 9 had an adult heterosexual orientation.
On the basis of the previous literature, it would appear that gay men and lesbian women have a greater history of molestation than do heterosexual persons. The perspective from the previous studies, however, is unclear. Not all of the cited studies employed a heterosexual control group, specified the criteria of molestation, specifed the gender of the perpetrator, specifed the present sexual preference, and that before the molestation, and employed both gay men and lesbian participants. Furthermore, some of the studies focused only upon rape or incest.
3 meta-analyses
Prevalence of Childhood Sexual Abuse among Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual People: A Meta-Analysis http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10538712.2015.1006746
This is the full text (on discussion):
This meta-analysis revealed no signifcant difference between the prevalence of CSA across lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals. This was true for both sexes; the prevalence of CSA among male sexual minorities was 22.2% and for female sexual minorities was 36.2%. These values appear to differ widely from those of heterosexual people: Pereda and colleagues (2009b) found that the prevalence of CSA was 7.9% in men and 19.7% in women in general sample, and Stoltenborgh and colleagues (2011) found that the prevalence of CSA was 7.6% in men and 18.0% in women. Thus, we might conclude that the prevalence of CSA among sexual minorities is higher than that among heterosexuals.
More so, there are references made to two former meta-analyses, which both conclude there is a significant difference for CSA and homosexuality. Those ones are arguably more robust because they consider only the US, so no cross-cultural differences.
The prevalence of sexual assault against people who identify as Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual in the United States: A systematic review http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3118668/
This article systematically reviews 75 studies that examine the prevalence of sexual assault victimization among gay or bisexual (GB) men, and lesbian or bisexual (LB) women, in the United States. All studies were published between 1989 and 2009 and report the results of quantitative research. The authors reviewed the reported prevalence of lifetime sexual assault victimization (LSA), and where available, childhood sexual assault (CSA), adult sexual assault (ASA), intimate partner sexual assault (IPSA), and hate crime-related sexual assault (HC). The studies were grouped into those that used a probability or census sampling technique (n=25) and those that used a non-probability or “community-based” sampling technique (n=50).
A total of 139,635 GLB respondents participated in the underlying studies reviewed. Prevalence estimates of LSA ranged from 15.6–85.0% for LB women, and 11.8–54.0% for GB men. Considering the median estimates derived from the collective set of studies reviewed, LB women were more likely to report CSA, ASA, LSA and IPSA than GB men, whereas GB men were more likely to report HC than LB women. Across all studies, the highest estimates reported were for LSA of LB women (85%), CSA of LB women (76.0%), and CSA of GB men (59.2%). With some exceptions, studies using non-probability samples reported higher sexual assault prevalence rates than did population-based or census sample studies. The challenges of assessing sexual assault victimization with GLB populations are discussed, as well as the implications for practice, policy and future research.
and
A meta-analysis of disparities in childhood sexual abuse, parental physical abuse, and peer victimization among sexual minority and sexual nonminority individuals. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21680921
Sexual minority individuals were on average 3.8, 1.2, 1.7, and 2.4 times more likely to experience sexual abuse, parental physical abuse, or assault at school or to miss school through fear, respectively. Moderation analysis showed that disparities between sexual minority and sexual nonminority individuals were larger for (1) males than females for sexual abuse, (2) females than males for assault at school, and (3) bisexual than gay and lesbian for both parental physical abuse and missing school through fear. Disparities did not change between the 1990s and the 2000s.
CONCLUSIONS: The higher rates of abuse experienced by sexual minority youths may be one of the driving mechanisms underlying higher rates of mental health problems, substance use, risky sexual behavior, and HIV reported by sexual minority adults.
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