Vyor
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Define "Cult"
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King Arts
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It's easier to define religion. For that I would have it be any belief that upholds that there is a supernatural with either an afterlife o a God, or gods. This belief must be olde than 100 years.
mrttao
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It is more than though.
In most places religion has already been banned, except satanism.
Some sects of Christians would be labeled as cults, as would sects of Islam.
Then you get into that whole argument again.
Horrible way of thinking
King Arts
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Fine those can be cults. So what?
mrttao
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Some ARE cults.
Although knowing liberals, they would of course ignore the actual cults and try to label any true believers as cultists instead.
King Arts
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The govt. genius.
Not everyone is a worthless cuck to "Muh modern interpretation of da constitution!"
Christians can support the govt. adopting their religion, it's not a sin to get power.
While many are condemning the beheading of the satanic statue by citing 'religious liberty', it's worth remembering the following from John Locke—aka "the father of liberalism"—in his Letter Concerning Toleration:
"Those are not at all to be tolerated who deny the being of a God. Promises, covenants, and oaths, which are the bonds of human society, can have no hold upon an atheist."
If the pioneer of liberalism and 'toleration' never thought for a second to legitimize atheism, then on what grounds do liberals, libertarians, neocons, etc. claim that defending satanism has any principled, historical support?
mrttao
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The smart way to do it is directly via supermajority vote.
if 80%+ of the voters say it is a cult, then it is one.
The stupid way to do it is to let the current beurocrats do it. Which will immediately be abused.
I should also note that you don't actually need to destroy the 1st amendment, just apply it equally. Currently satanism gets a pass while christianity is outright banned in any govt location due to "seperation of church and state" argument
There are literally examples of govt entities explicitly banning christians and allowing satanists
Probably going to start a fire by saying this, but any religion made post 1700's or something is just a retarded cult. Proper full-fledged religions started a REALLY long time ago and love em or hate em, they're part of traditions for many cultures.
But shit like mormonism and stuff? Jesus christ, stahp! And it goes without saying that 'satanism' is nonsense.
But shit like mormonism and stuff? Jesus christ, stahp! And it goes without saying that 'satanism' is nonsense.
Vyor
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When and where?
mrttao
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Age is a good indicator.
This also helps prevent perverse incentive.
Cult leaders create cults in order to exploit their worshippers for their money and 90%+ of the time for sex.
By having an age requirement it means that it can only become a religion after the founder is long dead and thus cannot receive any govt benefits that real religions get.
Hot take, but I think in public spaces/within the purview of the state, Christianity Uber Alles isn’t such a bad thing. Bi-cultural societies can only work if there is one dominant culture under which other cultures are permitted to prosper. In private, in their own communities they may do as they wish within reason, but it remains subordinate to the host culture (which they can roast on social media to their heart’s content).
The Constitution was written for a Christian Republic. Even if it tolerates other religions or views of the world, its institutions and public spaces should remain Christian on no uncertain terms.
TL;DR, worship your Gods as you will, but remember to Hail Caesar at the end of the day.
The Constitution was written for a Christian Republic. Even if it tolerates other religions or views of the world, its institutions and public spaces should remain Christian on no uncertain terms.
TL;DR, worship your Gods as you will, but remember to Hail Caesar at the end of the day.
That would lead to a war with one of the most heavily armed populations in the US
King Krávoka
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King, I don't need to send out my vivisected concept of a religion to figure this out. All religions need believers to exist in real life, and if it's impossible to understand and practice it at the same time because it's fake by its own admission, you can say that it's practiced in bad faith, then it's impossible for it to have believers. It's a practical joke instead of a belief system. The sect in question fits this definition, it's like Pastafarianism if it were based on horror movies instead of 2000s randumb jokes, so it's possible to throw it out of question without hurting any minorities.
The dictionary. And it says that all theistic religions and most atheistic ones are cults. If you're even drawing a line between a 'religion' and a 'cult' then you're perpetuating the same antitheistic ideas that lead to this conversation because you are using it as a slur. If you said 'only some black people are niggers' then you'd be called a racist because you're still using a racial slur. Because you're still using a worldview that is formed from a prejudice.
mrttao
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did you just not read the therad?
several people here in the thread gave several different answers already.
including pointing out the issue of govt overreach and abuse. And methods to curtail it.
ultimately, we are discussing what is possibly a hypothetical constitutional amendment that would require a lot of careful though and hammering out.
and realistically is not going to even happen.
However, what we CAN do is start to apply things equally. as currently "seperation of church and state" only applies to christianity and nobody else.
And Vyor asked for examples
You speak of what I see as an envitable future which is ceasarism.