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[Bigking321]

A foetus is no more alive than an appendix.

So what happens to a appendix if you let it develop normally?

Nothing? It remains a appendix?

Well, what happens to a fetus if it develops normally?

Oh. It develops into a entirely separate person.

Not very similar at all.

I think you may be somewhat of a dullard if you truly think what you say you think.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

So what happens to a appendix if you let it develop normally?

Nothing? It remains a appendix?

Well, what happens to a fetus if it develops normally?

Oh. It develops into a entirely separate person.

Not very similar at all.

I think you may be somewhat of a dullard if you truly think what you say you think.

But until it does become a separate being, I won't call it a living thing.

At any rate, it's an issue of bodily autonomy. You can't force someone to support someone else from their body. Even if that leads to death.

 

[Marduk]

Yes, I'm sure that birthrate will tell in....what, a hundred years?

IOW, please don't repeat alarmist statements. Those are just plots to demoralize you, make you think the West is weak. That its opponents are strong.

That's false.

This is not an alarmist statement, this is a hard fact, and may in fact be a major future challenge, as this is a problem that applies to all even moderately developed countries, not just western ones.

Women are no more or less vile and corrupt than men. Which is why I'm against giving them any more or less consideration than any man.

In other words, I hate the reactionary antifeminist that wants to destroy feminism just as much as I hate the twisted radfem that wants women to get Affirmative Action in jobs or education, or thinks that women are the primary victims of war.

Cool story "enlightened centrist".

And because of my own personal experiences, I'm automatically against anyone that thinks men tormenting and abusing women isn't a major societal issue in every society on the planet.

I'd disagree a bit here, it is merely a minor societal issue in some societies on the planet. Don't validate the left's propaganda to shit on western countries.

 

[Bigking321]

But until it does become a separate being, I won't call it a living thing.

That's your perogative but taking that to extremes is where you get people that think killing small children is perfectly fine because they can't survive on their own.

I find the entire concept worthless and vile.

It's how new people are made.

It's not a cancer or parasite or any other dismissive terms used by truly horrible people.

 

[Poe]

@Poe Fascism is the only way to make socialism "work." it throws out the smokescreen of bullshit that that's used to hide the true face of socialism and tells you exactly what you're getting when you sign up.

Its more that fascism is the right wing equivalent of socialism, fascism reinforces (or in the case of nazism rebuilds) traditional caste/class systems but attempts to do so in a modern way. The only things it has in common with socialism are pretty typical of authoritarianism in general. Remember the left/right divide was initially about whether or not to keep the monarchy, in the abstract this is still true but about the aristocracy in general.

 

[Vyor]

Political Compass brainrot has got the lot of you. Who cares? Left and right are arbitrary labels anyway.

In the same way that "a vacuum" is an arbitrary label for a zone of a negative pressure differential. Or that "east and west" are arbitrary depending on where you draw a line on a map.

 

[Zachowon]

Isn't killing a pregnant woman considered double homicide?

 

[Terthna]

Then you've been tricked by the bible thumpers. A foetus is no more alive than an appendix.

Considering many of the people pushing for the acceptance of abortion don't even believe it (just look on social media at those pleasuring themselves in public with their glee, at having murdered an infant by getting an abortion), that seems to be one of those blatantly disingenuous arguments the regressive left like to push to keep people too distracted to address the actual issue.

 

[Typhonis]

If you really want you eyes opened, look at abortion in Colonial America and who had it legalized and under what conditions.

 

[Skitzyfrenic]

Isn't killing a pregnant woman considered double homicide?

Yup.

 

[Rocinante]

That's bullshit and you know it, and if you genuinely believe that I want to sniff whatever glue you've been huffing.

I'm atheist, and pretty much every religious person on this forum can completely agree with me that I'm atheist, and even I see abortion as basically ending a human life.

I'm with you on this. I am also an atheist who believes that abortion is murder.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

If you really want you eyes opened, look at abortion in Colonial America and who had it legalized and under what conditions.

OK, that's a part of history I haven't looked at. Start me off in the right direction please.

 

[Rocinante]

OK, that's a part of history I haven't looked at. Start me off in the right direction please.

Abortion was basically started as an anti black eugenics program.

 

[RenegadeInterrupt]

I'm a libertarian and an American who believes in freedom to whatever fucked up thing you want so long as it is not bringing harm to a conscious and self-aware subject and the government can't tell you what to do with your own insides, however, does not mean I'm going to go out of my way to defend the utterly repugnant and disgusting act of abortion like Soli here does. He's got libtard brain and thinks that anything that pisses off conservatives is automatically "based" and "redpilled", much like the incels he likely rails against. It is in fact childish and trollish behavior and you're all better off just ignoring him. Edgy troll loser is edgy troll. Nuff said.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Abortion was basically started as an anti black eugenics program.

I'm aware of what Sanger started with Planned Parenthood, but it sounds like you're referencing something much earlier in our history. What would that be?

 

[Rocinante]

I'm aware of what Sanger started with Planned Parenthood, but it sounds like you're referencing something much earlier in our history. What would that be?

I wasn't the one you originally posted, so if he was referring to something different, I am not sure what.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I wasn't the one you originally posted, so if he was referring to something different, I am not sure what.

Point.

@Typhonis
What were you referencing in the Colonial times about abortion.

 

[Jormungandr]

I'm with you on this. I am also an atheist who believes that abortion is murder.

It's ending a human life, yeah.

It's horrific that people have taken the view that "it's just a clump of cells, man!" when, left unimpeded, those "clumps of cells" turn into people. It's just as horrific that a lot of women see it as merely "birth-control" instead of a heavily weighted choice to end a life that's yet to be.

"Whoopsie, looks like the condom broke when I was being railed in a three-way with Chad and Tyrone a few weeks back; looks like it's time for another procedure! I wonder if they'll give me a discount, given I've been here five times this year already?"

It's also why I'm against fixing cats when they're confirmed to be pregnant because that's basically the same thing; you're still killing kittens.

Don't get me wrong, I am pro choice, but as I've said before:

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Eh, to me its just a video game creation of the old "Bard seducing the dragon" in DnD.

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Women considering it should heavily think about and, to be frank, agonize over the decision. They are looking to terminate a life, regardless of what other people say about it "just being a cluster of cells" (something I disagree with other pro-choicers, since those cells can and will become a human being).

If, for example, a pair discuss this weighted situation and agree to go through with it, I understand, respect, and agree with this, since they did not take the decision lightly. They'd understand the ramifications of what they're about to consent to. That's choice. This also includes medical reasonings too, such as the child being severely deformed or mutilated (but this also runs the risk of going into eugenics territory, too -- "Oh, I don't want a Down Syndrome baby" for example, instead of "if my baby doesn't have a fully formed brain or heart, then we should be merciful", et cetera).

It's an agonizing, weighted choice to have an abortion. It's not fucking birth control.

 

[Terthna]

Reading the comments of this video on how Jeremy Clarkson's farming show has shone a light on the existential struggles experienced by British farmers, it's interesting how many people settle on blaming everything on Brexit; and not, you know, the British government intentionally trying to kill off the entire profession (there's even some people trying to argue in there that all local governments should be abolished, and that more power should be given to a central government that's currently screwing them over). Especially considering the same thing is happening in all the countries still part of the European Union; so I'm not sure what exactly they expect would have changed with the UK still being part of the EU.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Hahahahhahahahahah

If they don't "you know what" like 2020, they are going to the shitter.