Fallout Fallout General Thread - War, War Never Changes. Nor do game engines.

[S'task]

. . . Maybe someone mentioned it in the back and forth of the last few pages of shit flinging, but comparing the development and number of settlements of people between FO1/2 and FO3/4 is inherently flawed, and not due to the different developers, but due to an entirely different issue that it appears everyone has forgotten:

The scale of the maps. This isn't even a minor difference. Fallout 3's map isn't even 8500 sq miles, Fallout 4 covers around 9700 sq. miles. Fallout 1's map? Nearly 61,000 Sq miles. Fallout 2? Just over 126,000 Sq miles. This is REAL LIFE area, not "in game" map size.

So yeah, no duh would FO1 and FO2 have more development, more different locations, and see more rebuilding they're covering MASSIVELY more area than FO3 and FO4. To give a comparison, to cover a similar region size to FO2 while keeping DC roughly centered, FO3 would have covered an area from New York City to Norfolk Virginia.

Are we starting to understand why FO3/4 have less development and rebuilding yet? Complaining about the Capital Wasteland and Boston and its immediate environs being less rebuilt than ALL OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA is just... kinda ridiculous.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, yeah. First person games dont tend to be THAT large due to well...imagine walking 97k Sq miles.
Like, how big was NV?

 

[Husky_Khan]

I mean, yeah. First person games dont tend to be THAT large due to well...imagine walking 97k Sq miles.
Like, how big was NV?

As the link indicated, the Mojave setting is only slightly larger then that of the Capitol Wasteland and the Commonwealth Wasteland is like ten percent (a thousand square kilometers) larger than that.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

As the link indicated, the Mojave setting is only slightly larger then that of the Capitol Wasteland and the Commonwealth Wasteland is like ten percent (a thousand square kilometers) larger than that.

I think the commonwealth is only larger if you count interior cells. That map just feels small as hell, Also you can run across the entire thing rather quickly.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I think the commonwealth is only larger if you count interior cells. That map just feels small as hell, Also you can run across the entire thing rather quickly.

Well the link S'task provided is talking about real world size of the places. It's impossible to fairly compare the in-game sizes of Fallout/Fallout 2/Tactics with later games because the other issue is the obvious change in the game engine and art style and entire form of graphics and gameplay when it comes to Fallout 3 and beyond.

There's loads of YouTube videos out there that compare video game worlds but apparently most of them are kinda inaccurate as well.



Most of the maps of the new Fallout games have a size just under 10 kilometers it seems, with Fallout 4 surprisingly a smidgen bigger supposedly. I'm assuming it could be felt as smaller maybe because of the shift in game engine and how fast your character moves and the graphics/art style and everything. But I dunno.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Ive been thinking if there was one retcon I could make in Fallout it would be to bring horses back. Personally the way I have always looked at it is that if cows can survive then horses certainly would too, Plus I just think the setting would be better with horses in it.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Ive been thinking if there was one retcon I could make in Fallout it would be to bring horses back. Personally the way I have always looked at it is that if cows can survive then horses certainly would too, Plus I just think the setting would be better with horses in it.

Eh I don't think so it's sheer coincidence enough cows and dogs survived and cats, horses would be high maintenance because they can't survive off grass alone and they're bigger than the aforementioned creatures. Unless they mutated the horses into a different species entirely I can buy it but with shit like Radscorpions, Bloat Flies, and Death Claws plus starving people who would rather shoot and eat a horse it really wouldn't survive long.

Only way horses can exist if the Institute made synthetic hoses which would be the only lore friendly way to add them to the series.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I mean its possible horses could survive but I'd assume maybe it could be in biomes different from where they are now. The East Coast is pretty wastelandey and the West Coast fairly arid. But maybe they could be poking around the Pacific Northwest or Canadarian wilderness or something. But yeah, horses actually being used on a widespread scale could just be seen as logistically impractical with how hostile the wasteland environment is in most Fallout settings, not to mention the fauna.

I don't think any Lore actually contradicts horses existing, only that horses were used by the NCR in that one comic about the Bitter Springs Massacre. If they do exist, they'd be rare since we haven't seen any at all across multiple games in various places.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Eh I don't think so it's sheer coincidence enough cows and dogs survived and cats, horses would be high maintenance because they can't survive off grass alone and they're bigger than the aforementioned creatures. Unless they mutated the horses into a different species entirely I can buy it but with shit like Radscorpions, Bloat Flies, and Death Claws plus starving people who would rather shoot and eat a horse it really wouldn't survive long.

Only way horses can exist if the Institute made synthetic hoses which would be the only lore friendly way to add them to the series.

There are large herds of wild horses in the US that survive off eating grass and other vegetation. My thoughts are though if cows have survived then there is no good reason that horses wouldn't also survive. Plus horses are just really useful for travel, pulling plows and all of that stuff so people would have just as much of a reason to keep them alive as they do brahmin.

 

[Scooby Doo]

There are large herds of wild horses in the US that survive off eating grass and other vegetation.

Horses are literally not biologically capable of surviving just off grass alone and the biome at-least in the Eastern Coast wouldn't have enough nutritious grass to support them (I think maybe the West Coast could in small numbers), Horses aren't herbivores they're omnivores so a lot of them would just outright be killed by the mutated wildlife if they don't die from radiation or starvation.

Horses are too big and lack the biology to survive, the only way they could survive is by mutating into a different species. There is 100% no way they would survive without some magical power up.

My thoughts are though if cows have survived then there is no good reason that horses wouldn't also survive. Plus horses are just really useful for travel, pulling plows and all of that stuff so people would have just as much of a reason to keep them alive as they do brahmin.

Cows didn't survive they became a new species because of radiation, if any species would have the best chance of surviving would be birds.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Cows didn't survive they became a new species because of radiation, if any species would have the best chance of surviving would be birds.

They are literally just a cow with an additional head nothing else really changed. Regardless this is all irrelevant I just think the game would be better with horses in it for travel purposes. I also declared that it would be a retcon over something I have always viewed as a mistake in the game. Now if there was a better engine then we could just get working vehicles which would also be great.

 

[Scooby Doo]

They are literally just a cow with an additional head nothing else really changed.

Didn't you don't pay attention to the lore

{100}{}{It's a domesticated animal.}
{101}{}{There is nothing natural about these cows. The second head
can only be the result of some strange mutation.}

The Brahmin has been encountered both in domesticated and wild varieties. They are hardy animals, and their utility has made them valuable to humans, in turn allowing these animals to reproduce in quantities beyond what they would otherwise be likely to acheive. They are commonly employed as pack animals. In addition to having two heads, dissection has revealed that these creatures have eight stomachs,

They underwent mutation and Fallout Bible even mentioned they were given the ability to better digest radiated food, so yeah they got a one in a million mutation to allow them to survive. There's no guarantee horses would get the same benefit and without mutations horses can not survive.

Regardless this is all irrelevant I just think the game would be better with horses in it for travel purposes.

No that'd be stupider than any world building fuck ups that Bethesda has done in Fallout and you'd also have to retcon New Vegas to make it work

I also declared that it would be a retcon over something I have always viewed as a mistake in the game. Now if there was a better engine then we could just get working vehicles which would also be great.

Just add Synthetic Horses from the Institute (They've made Synthetic Gorillas, Birds and Brahmin already) or just introduce vehicles that run off fusion cores, but just regular horses surviving all along is stupid.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The Enclave

Maybe you should take a long look in the mirror Scoobs.

The Enclave are sick. They experiment on Dogs. They've engaged in horrible experiments upon our kind for centuries now. Don't waste oxygen on those morally bankrupt FASCISTS!

Not that the Brotherhood of Steel is any better. Their so-called founders murdered the greatest scientific mind of his generation, Leon Von Feldman, for the mere crime of following his vision of creating an underground lab where he could conduct extremely ethical experiments pertaining to FEV on illegal immigrants instead of heinous Big Pharma esque Nazi Science upon poor canines. 😔

Losing such a visionary is the greatest loss to Humanity since the Great War itself.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Maybe you should take a long look in the mirror Scoobs.

The Enclave are sick. They experiment on Dogs. They've engaged in horrible experiments upon our kind for centuries now. Don't waste oxygen on those morally bankrupt FASCISTS!

Not that the Brotherhood of Steel is any better. Their so-called founders murdered the greatest scientific mind of his generation, Leon Von Feldman, for the mere crime of following his vision of creating an underground lab where he could conduct extremely ethical experiments pertaining to FEV on illegal immigrants instead of heinous Big Pharma esque Nazi Science upon poor canines. 😔

Losing such a visionary is the greatest loss to Humanity since the Great War itself.

My friend CX404 is in the Enclave and said that they're not all that bad and that he's taken very well taken care of, he said that there are bad fascist Enclave but he assumed that some are good people.

 

[Typhonis]

Here is a strange question but...where are the clothes coming from? The Pre war stocks should have been destroyed, used, or wrecked after 200 years. The only material left is leather. Flax, wool, and cotton require farms to get from and well so far we have seen no large scale growing of cotton, flax or even keeping sheep.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Here is a strange question but...where are the clothes coming from? The Pre war stocks should have been destroyed, used, or wrecked after 200 years. The only material left is leather. Flax, wool, and cotton require farms to get from and well so far we have seen no large scale growing of cotton, flax or even keeping sheep.

I think it's mentioned or implied that the NCR use their Brahmin as a leather equivalent and also raid existing pre war reserves, the East Coast just use the clothing stores which apparently still have plenty left over lol

I think Institute is the only one that legit builds EVERYTHING from scratch which I like

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Here is a strange question but...where are the clothes coming from? The Pre war stocks should have been destroyed, used, or wrecked after 200 years. The only material left is leather. Flax, wool, and cotton require farms to get from and well so far we have seen no large scale growing of cotton, flax or even keeping sheep.

Brahmin, other animal pelts, and farmed textiles.
I don't think any of the FO games go into detail about how the clothing is made, but we see farms so that should solve that issue.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Brahmin, other animal pelts, and farmed textiles.
I don't think any of the FO games go into detail about how the clothing is made, but we see farms so that should solve that issue.

Fallout Online uses Brahmin hide and recycles clothing to make new clothing
The very canon Fallout Online mobile game that is canon.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Fallout Online uses Brahmin hide and recycles clothing to make new clothing
The very canon Fallout Online mobile game that is canon.

My dude in the late 90's internet on phones was exceedingly simple and primitive, I highly doubt they ported any Fallout games to mobile.

 

[Scooby Doo]

My dude in the late 90's internet on phones was exceedingly simple and primitive, I highly doubt they ported any Fallout games to mobile.