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[Morphic Tide]

College does not produce scientists, it literally can't produce scientists.
Science requires genius and creativity. And college stifles creativity.
What it can produce is sheep with a diploma who repeat the govt party line while wearing a scientist costume.

Probably the weirdest thing to realize about modern academia is that this is not the case for most fields. Oh sure, the diversity hires leave you with dead weight in bad scientists, but the sheer distance between the logic in use in stuff like particle physics or geology and what has a meaningful party line means that most science is minimally affected by DIE shenanigans. Even in biology and meteorology, it's strangely well-contained to very specific subsets.

What ultimately ends up happening is that most scientists are very narrowly focused, rarely bothering to get in the way of The Narrative because there's a bunch of unnecessary tangential connections to do that. So we keep getting evidence for counter-claims to The Narrative all over the place, because the people generating that evidence don't think about what it implies for other fields or wider society.

 

[mrttao]

Probably the weirdest thing to realize about modern academia is that this is not the case for most fields. Oh sure, the diversity hires leave you with dead weight in bad scientists, but the sheer distance between the logic in use in stuff like particle physics or geology and what has a meaningful party line means that most science is minimally affected by DIE shenanigans. Even in biology and meteorology, it's strangely well-contained to very specific subsets.

What ultimately ends up happening is that most scientists are very narrowly focused, rarely bothering to get in the way of The Narrative because there's a bunch of unnecessary tangential connections to do that. So we keep getting evidence for counter-claims to The Narrative all over the place, because the people generating that evidence don't think about what it implies for other fields or wider society.

You are assuming someone with a diploma in particle physics is a scientist.
He isn't, he is just someone who memorized answers from a textbook that compiled theories of particle physics invented by actual scientists.

Albert einstein wrote the theory of relativity while he working as a clerk
Nikola Tesla? he was not in academia when he made all his inventions.
The wright brothers who invented the airplane were literally farmers who built their first airplane in their farm. (in fact academia has convinced the press that this is a hoax and the claims are impossible)

This "not from academia" trend is very common in the history of science.
Most famous scientists were not from academia.
And college does not deserve credit for their genius.

At absolutely best a college can provide a foundation of common knowledge for students to build upon if they have the spark of genius...
but by and large it doesn't. It works via "memorize the book and regurgitate the answers in the test".

If you want to learn a foundation just literally buy college textbooks and read them at home. You do not HAVE to go to college to learn that stuff. It will cost you a tiny fraction of the price than attending college.

 

[King Arts]

College does not produce scientists, it literally can't produce scientists.
Science requires genius and creativity. College stifles creativity and does nothing for genius.
What it can produce is sheep with a diploma who repeat the govt party line while wearing a scientist costume.

Colleges do produce doctors and engineers...
but the quality of those varies greatly from "competent" to "menace to society"
It does not matter how dangerous it is to think or say, it is fact.
The woke inquisition fucked over colleges. Which has very bad consequences.

In Isreal, there were waves of immigration. "israel will not survive without mass migration". one of those waves of mass imported migrants was from russia the moment the sovient union fell. followed by an ongoing trickle of more russian migrants ever since. (they just make up a jewish grandpa to get a visa)

Many of those had college degrees... but they were from communist schools. it was an utter mess.

You had people going "I am a doctor and the only job I can get is a cab driver".
You had a fuckton of medical malpractice where completely unqualified "doctors" taught by communist universities did not know what the fuck they were doing. (I personally experienced multiple cases of malpractice by a russian "doctor")

It was a really painful decade to get everyone retrained enough to be at least somewhat competent in their degree, and kick out those too inept to even teach.

Well, western universities are rapidly getting there too. There is a lot more medical malpractice in usa today than there was a few decades ago. and it is only going to get worse. Expect to also see a lot more engineering disasters too as colleges become ever more shitty.

In china, they keep on having massive disasters. you saw that video of the train that got flooded and everyone died? this is what communist education + govt corruption does to a nation. And anyone who complains gets arrested because you can't persecute the people actually responsible.

Wow there is a lot wrong with what you said literally the majority of physicists and chemists, and all other types of scientists went to university, hell some of them were professors. Like my God Albert Einstein, Heisenberg, Von Braun, and Chernikov

Albert Einstein - Wikipedia

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Werner Heisenberg - Wikipedia

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Wernher von Braun - Wikipedia

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Pavel Cherenkov - Wikipedia

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The days of scientists self learning like the 1800's are gone.
As for soviet science being shit that's also wrong. You don't become the second most powerful nation in the world by being dumb and lacking in power or knowledge. The Soviets meddled in science because of political reasons true and that held them back. But for the most part they did not, after all they were able to send people to space.

Science and technology in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

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Why was school education in Eastern Europe during Socialism so much better than it is nowadays within EU? Why was the Western educational...

Answer (1 of 7): I do not agree with the premise of the question, at least if the situation in Polish education is concerned. It is true that the curriculum in Polish schools today (2020) is narrower than it was under Soviet proxy rule. For example, there is no integral calculus in high school a...

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Many people felt that the schools in the communist period were better than what came before. The issue is complex. The Schools in the warsaw pact were generally good as only the top 10% usually got to move forward to university so even though it was free it was not given to everyone. No communisms failure is from other reasons it's economics and mismanagement, not education that brought down the soviets.

 

[mrttao]

Wow there is a lot wrong with what you said literally the majority of physicists and chemists, and all other types of scientists went to university, hell some of them were professors. Like my God Albert Einstein, Heisenberg, Von Braun, and Chernikov

> Some historical inventors went to university at some point in their life

This does not mean that college made them into a scientist.
This is the part you are not getting.

You cannot take a random person, sit him in a class, make him memorize a book, and thus magically turn him into a scientist who invents new scientific advances.

Einstein went to college. He needed that piece of paper diploma to get a job... as a clerk.
Many other inventors didn't... and regardless of whether they went to college or not, it was not college that made them into geniuses who explored the laws of the natural world.

The days of scientists self learning like the 1800's are gone.

Have you actually been to a college? Serious question here.
Do you know what happens in college?

You go to a class, the teacher reads an excerpt from a book that he expects you to memorize (if he doesn't just have his teacher assistant do it instead). You memorize the book, and then you get tested on having memorized the book.

In harder classes, you need to do some math too. Which... you mostly learn from the book because the teacher just demonstrates an equation on the board and has no time to answer questions because there are 150 students per teacher

 

[mrttao]

Many people felt that the schools in the communist period were better than what came before.

Feelings does not make a competent doctor. your injury and disease do not care about anyone's feelings.

That collapsing bridge or train tunnel does not give a fuck about your feelings. it cares about physics only.

Corrupt shithole 3rd world countries have trash colleges that produce incompetent doctors and engineers which result in dead people. this is a fact.

 

[King Arts]

> Some historical inventors went to university at some point in their life

This does not mean that college made them into a scientist.
This is the part you are not getting.

You cannot take a random person, sit him in a class, make him memorize a book, and thus magically turn him into a scientist who invents new scientific advances.

Einstein went to college. He needed that piece of paper diploma to get a job... as a clerk.
Many other inventors didn't... and regardless of whether they went to college or not, it was not college that made them into geniuses who explored the world.

Have you actually been to a college? Serious question here.
Do you know what happens in college?

You go to a class, the teacher reads an excerpt from a book that he expects you to memorize (if he doesn't just have his teacher assistant do it instead). You memorize the book, and then you get tested on having memorized the book.

In harder classes, you need to do some math too. Which... you mostly learn from the book because the teacher just demonstrates an equation on the board and has no time to answer questions because there are 150 students per teacher

Yes there needs to be that spark of genius. But if that genius is left to just wither without knowledge being a farmer or whatever they won't be a scientist either. Universities are supposed to teach advanced subjects to people, then those some of those people will improve on what they learned later in life.

You listed off many examples of scientists but the only ones that did not go to higher education were the wright brothers.

Feelings does not make a competent doctor. your injury and disease do not care about anyone's feelings.

That collapsing bridge or train tunnel does not give a fuck about your feelings. it cares about physics only.

Corrupt shithole 3rd world countries have trash colleges that produce incompetent doctors and engineers which result in dead people. this is a fact.

These oppinions were from people who actually lived there. It's possible they are just boomers with rose tinted glasses and in some cases probably, but not in every instance. Many things that were built in the communist era were to a superior standard than what came after in the capitalist era. Again do you actually know why communism failed? Do you think just adopting communism gives you a minus 50 debuff in everything and it's just shittier?

Also China is not a 3rd world nation, it's 2nd at worst.

 

[mrttao]

Yes there needs to be that spark of genius. But if that genius is left to just wither without knowledge being a farmer or whatever they won't be a scientist either. Universities are supposed to teach advanced subjects to people, then those some of those people will improve on what they learned later in life.

This is university propaganda.
But is not true.

1. plenty of farmers were scientists on the side.

2. I said myself that under ideal conditions a university may provide a foundation for a scientist. BUT:

a. that does not mean the university created the scientist.
by your logic I could argue that farmers create scientists because they feed the scientist food, without which he would wither, unable to produce science.
providing some material assistance is not the same as creating something.
You cannot take a random person and go "I will make him into a scientist".
You take a potential scientist and provide him the environment to flourish. But that does not give you the right to claim that you created him

b. university is not that environment.
- the teaching in university is just regurgitating what is found in books. a prospective scientist who self studies would save massive massive amount of money on student loans so they could actually do science.
- very few scientists did their scientific work in the university itself. they left it as soon as they were able to and did their research outside of academia. they either did it at home, or in a business.

You listed off many examples of scientists but the only ones that did not go to higher education were the wright brothers.

4 is not exactly many.

albert einstein = got a PHD (he later disavowed his doctoral dissertation as worthless).
got a job as a clerk filing paperwork.
spent his free time inventing.

Nikola Tesla = dropout out of college

Wright brothers = did not go to college

I felt there was no list to make a full compendium of every famed scientist that did not go to college or dropped out.

 

[Jormungandr]

Just a quick plug, but if you want to read college textbooks without having to spend dozens of dollars/pounds, there's a service called Perlego that allows you to read a lot of them (unless they're very, very specialized, like a college professor forcing students to buy their book in a racketeering plot) for a small price per month.

I'm thinking about signing up for it because why the fuck not? shrug

 

[mrttao]

(unless they're very, very specialized, like a college professor forcing students to buy their book in a racketeering plot)

I hate this... had a couple of professors who did that.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

One big problem with College/University is that is forces hours on a student that aren't necessary. So charge for a butt load more hours which raises the cost of the degree.

 

[bintananth]

One big problem with College/University is that is forces hours on a student that aren't necessary. So charge for a butt load more hours which raises the cost of the degree.

Eh, Yes and No.

For a typical 4yr BA/BS it's roughly:
- 60hrs of general requirements
- 30hrs of courses in your major
- 30hrs of free electives

The general requirements indicate that someone is well rounded and educated enough for a job where having a degree matters more than what the degree is in. Superfluous if you're thinking of college as a more thinky analogue of trade school, which it is not.

Classes also have pre-requisites. A typical art/sci student is probably taking 1-2 classes in their major each semester because of this. Since full-time tuition is generally $X/semester ~= 15hrs part-time there's no good reason to not include the other stuff as part of getting a degree.

Sure, someone could go part-time and only take the classes needed for the desired major. You're not going to get any financial aid which isn't a loan if you do this. This is mostly done by people who don't need the degree and can afford to pay for 30+ hours of college tuition out of pocket on a whim.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The ending of this video is like the most shocking reveal since the finale of the first season of The Mandalorian.

 

[Blasterbot]

there is less latitude given to mannish women now. people just assume they're trans. sucks for them.

 

[bintananth]

The ending of this video is like the most shocking reveal since the finale of the first season of The Mandalorian.

Someone getting upset and throwing a hissy fit because a stranger misgendered them by using the "wrong" pronouns is all on them.

I hate to brake it to you babe, but it happens to people who aren't in the T+ part of the LGBT+ alphabet soup all the time because there are a shit-ton of names which can be given to both boys and girls without anyone batting an eye.

If all you know about someone is that their name is Ariel you're probably going to think "that's a gal" because of Disney's the The Little Mermaid. If the Ariel in question was born before 1990 you're almost always going to be wrong. That's just one example.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

The general requirements indicate that someone is well rounded and educated enough for a job where having a degree matters more than what the degree is in. Superfluous if you're thinking of college as a more thinky analogue of trade school, which it is not.

Nah..that's mostly BS, and I'm not talking about the degree.

Your STEM fields don't need the 30 hours of electives for sure. That's 2 full semesters AT LEAST you can cut out.

The 60 hours of 'general requirements are overfull of crap...mostly leftist indoctrination crap. You don't need the extra english, just decent writing courses specifically geared towards the chosen degree. Extra language...not a requirement. It should be completely optional. Requirements outside your field should be limited to very basic things that enable a student no matter what field they end up in.
-Finance and a more developed understanding of personal money management...such as home ownership, retirement planning and available tools. Single course there would work wonders for many students.
-Basic understanding of our Constitutional Republic (it ain't a Democracy!) and how it's supposed to work, as well as the horrors of Communism & Socialism (USSR/China & Nazi Germany)
-the value of Integrity, Discipline and Charity: basically a philosophy course that teaches why these things are important.
-Self Maintenance: basic phys-ed course that will be joined to a nutritional course. Teaches how to eat healthy and exercise without needing to kill yourself.

 

[Zachowon]

Some states snd colleges require you take a government class, like GA requires a GA government class.

 

[Morphic Tide]

He isn't, he is just someone who memorized answers from a textbook that compiled theories of particle physics invented by actual scientists.

The amount of this required to get anywhere new makes college or university ties rather important, because the up-to-date textbooks and studies are not easy to get elsewhere. There is no longer a reasonable expectation of "law hanging fruit", testing theories takes large sums of money to pay for the equipment and cross-referencing thousands of pages of previous works in a  great many areas of research.

 

[King Arts]

Nah..that's mostly BS, and I'm not talking about the degree.

Your STEM fields don't need the 30 hours of electives for sure. That's 2 full semesters AT LEAST you can cut out.

The 60 hours of 'general requirements are overfull of crap...mostly leftist indoctrination crap. You don't need the extra english, just decent writing courses specifically geared towards the chosen degree. Extra language...not a requirement. It should be completely optional. Requirements outside your field should be limited to very basic things that enable a student no matter what field they end up in.
-Finance and a more developed understanding of personal money management...such as home ownership, retirement planning and available tools. Single course there would work wonders for many students.
-Basic understanding of our Constitutional Republic (it ain't a Democracy!) and how it's supposed to work, as well as the horrors of Communism & Socialism (USSR/China & Nazi Germany)
-the value of Integrity, Discipline and Charity: basically a philosophy course that teaches why these things are important.
-Self Maintenance: basic phys-ed course that will be joined to a nutritional course. Teaches how to eat healthy and exercise without needing to kill yourself.

Those last three should be taught way before college like high school or even middle school is where you need to learn that.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Nah..that's mostly BS, and I'm not talking about the degree.

Your STEM fields don't need the 30 hours of electives for sure. That's 2 full semesters AT LEAST you can cut out.

The 60 hours of 'general requirements are overfull of crap...mostly leftist indoctrination crap. You don't need the extra english, just decent writing courses specifically geared towards the chosen degree. Extra language...not a requirement. It should be completely optional. Requirements outside your field should be limited to very basic things that enable a student no matter what field they end up in.
-Finance and a more developed understanding of personal money management...such as home ownership, retirement planning and available tools. Single course there would work wonders for many students.

This is called Home Economics and is usually an elective in high school. It also includes cooking, cleaning, and in the better classes basic home maintenance and furniture arranging/decor. I can see how making it mandatory would be beneficial but it's not a thing for college, it's an elective that already exists.

-Basic understanding of our Constitutional Republic (it ain't a Democracy!) and how it's supposed to work, as well as the horrors of Communism & Socialism (USSR/China & Nazi Germany)
-the value of Integrity, Discipline and Charity: basically a philosophy course that teaches why these things are important.

This is called Social Studies and is normally done in grade school as a mandatory class, granted how much they emphasize the horrors of communism is going to vary by school, but basic understanding of how the government works is standard at that level. Usually it goes by year, starting with state and then going to national across several years.

-Self Maintenance: basic phys-ed course that will be joined to a nutritional course. Teaches how to eat healthy and exercise without needing to kill yourself.

This is called PE. The healthy eating part is normally a part of Home Economics.

The issue here is that powerful monied interests like to interfere in this kind of thing, see Michelle Obama's food pyramid which had nothing to do with nutrition and everything to do with which agricultural group paid the Obama's large campaign donations. So any "healthy eating" is going to wind up preaching the benefits of whoever gave donations to the politicians, as will anything about exercise (When I went to high school they had us scratch out sections of the book extolling the health benefits of smoking). Unhealthy people are more profitable for big business so they like to target any classes that will make the population healthier.

 

[mrttao]

there is less latitude given to mannish women now. people just assume they're trans. sucks for them.

From the video, this man did not bother legally changing his name or gender.
He is angry that they go with the paperwork instead of assuming he is a woman.
The manager even asks him what are you. And the deranged troon refuses to answer, insisting that it should be OBVIOUS to anyone looking that he is a woman

This is not a "they refused to use my pronouns". but a "I refuse to tell them my pronouns EVEN WHEN ASKED and get mad when they guess wrong"