Marvel Every Star Destroyer and TIE Fighter in Marvel's Star Wars: Allegiance is a fan copy

[Husky_Khan]

Title is a bit misleading.

TLDW, Star Wars has stolen lots and lots of artwork from fans for their comics and has been doing it for a long time to the point it's so pervasive that entire fleets of ships and almost every vessel in whole comic series are copied from fan art. No credit or recognition officially or unofficially has been offered or any communication in that regard either.

This is his fourth video on the issue and the only one that really provides a synopsis for how widespread this all is.

Here's the first video, eight months ago.
The second five months ago.
And the third... a few days ago.

 

[Deleted member]

And they have every right to do that because they own the original rights to the series.... That's the downside of making fannish creations about a copyrighted series.

 

[Husky_Khan]

And they have every right to do that because they own the original rights to the series.... That's the downside of making fannish creations about a copyrighted series.

The video only mentions the legality of it once. I think none of the videos mention it more then once. That wasn't the point of the video.

 

[Deleted member]

The video only mentions the legality of it once. I think none of the videos mention it more then once. That wasn't the point of the video.

Well, to be honest, my designs or ideas becoming canon would be the reward in and of itself.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Well, to be honest, my designs or ideas becoming canon would be the reward in and of itself.

Yeah that's what one of the creators said in the video to the Youtuber when he was messaged. He just says he wished that Marvel would contact him or get some sort of recognition originally since that's what the people who did a Halo comic did when they asked him if they could use one of his designs, added him as an artist credit (and paid him in the form of a signed graphic novel).

 

[Battlegrinder]

And they have every right to do that because they own the original rights to the series.... That's the downside of making fannish creations about a copyrighted series.

I'm not totally sure they do, not universally. If you make, say, something that's obviously an X-wing or TIE, yes that's probably going to have legal issues. But how far does that go? If you make something that's obviously a TIE, but is also an original TIE design, is that idea still Disney IP? What about a star destroyer, at what point does it stop being a Star destroyer derivative and become just a big wedge shaped ship?

For example, here's another version of the nebulon K:

I'd actually argue that's a bad design for a SW ship, because it's not exactly recognizable as a SW ship, even though that was the design intent. But because it's not obviously a SW ship, it should be legally protected as an original work of art, should it not?

 

[Captain X]

Or what about people who come up with entirely original designs for things like star destroyers and the like. I remember a guy on scifi-meshes made a pretty good Republic era star destroyer that was entirely his own design, other than the very basics of the ship type (triangle shape, had a bridge tower, hanger bay on the bottom). It's funny because it actually looked a lot better than what they ended up going with.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Or what about people who come up with entirely original designs for things like star destroyers and the like. I remember a guy on scifi-meshes made a pretty good Republic era star destroyer that was entirely his own design, other than the very basics of the ship type (triangle shape, had a bridge tower, hanger bay on the bottom). It's funny because it actually looked a lot better than what they ended up going with.

Really? Can you show us that picture?

 

[Tyzuris]

Ah yes I recall Disney ripping off Fractalsponge's fan-mase ship designs with no credits to him at all. And fucking up in the process. By presenting an Assertor as an Executor.

 

[Captain X]

Really? Can you show us that picture?

I'm not sure of the permissions of posting someone else's art here, so I'll link to a place where it's already been posted.

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[Harlock]

Remember Marvel dropping some Narn cruisers into one of their other comics. Can't be hard to be original and... oh, right, marvel. Never mind.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Now, there's lazy design, and then there's lazily stealing designs from fans that you or may not have the legal rights to. And then there's ripping off a lego model to the point the lego bricks are still visible.

It's also worth noting that's not a SW comic, it's something from a mainline marvel comic, which is arguably worse. SW comics are ultimately a side deal, but when you're this lazy and this inept in your main comics.....that suggests this kind of attitude is far more widespread and far more severe than a few artists on a secondary comic line being hacks.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Update Video:



Kinda clickbait. They didn't copy the Millennium Falcon...

 

[Battlegrinder]

The Falcon is not a capital ship.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The Falcon is not a capital ship.

Hence I said... kinda…

It was meant to be a humorous aside.

 

[GooseActual]

Legality aside, this will just create more bad blood with the fandom, one of the bigger and more dedicated fandoms at that that has be dragged through the ringer a few times these past few years.

I feel like Disney’s handling of Star Wars is one ham fisted cluster fuck after another

 

[Captain X]

I think this is yet another example of a company not understanding the audience they have, or being arrogant enough to think they can alienate the existing audience because they think they're going to replace them with a new audience.

 

[Laskar]

Now, there's lazy design, and then there's lazily stealing designs from fans that you or may not have the legal rights to. And then there's ripping off a lego model to the point the lego bricks are still visible.

It's also worth noting that's not a SW comic, it's something from a mainline marvel comic, which is arguably worse. SW comics are ultimately a side deal, but when you're this lazy and this inept in your main comics.....that suggests this kind of attitude is far more widespread and far more severe than a few artists on a secondary comic line being hacks.

Wow. As soon as I noticed it, I couldn't unsee it. That partly-complete landspeeder looks so out of place with the art around it. To be honest, it looks like two 3D models pasted over each other.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Wow. As soon as I noticed it, I couldn't unsee it. That partly-complete landspeeder looks so out of place with the art around it. To be honest, it looks like two 3D models pasted over each other.

The weirdest part is that it's not even the most recent snowspeeder model, that's the very first one back from 1999 when Lego started making SW sets. It's practically ancient as far as lego sets go, and I cannot fathom why you'd pick that one specific set to copy, or where you'd even find a 3D model of it in the first place (and a half completed model, at that).

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not totally sure they do, not universally. If you make, say, something that's obviously an X-wing or TIE, yes that's probably going to have legal issues. But how far does that go? If you make something that's obviously a TIE, but is also an original TIE design, is that idea still Disney IP? What about a star destroyer, at what point does it stop being a Star destroyer derivative and become just a big wedge shaped ship?

For example, here's another version of the nebulon K:

I'd actually argue that's a bad design for a SW ship, because it's not exactly recognizable as a SW ship, even though that was the design intent. But because it's not obviously a SW ship, it should be legally protected as an original work of art, should it not?

I don't think copyright law is really quite prepared to handle that kind of question. But using it in a Star Wars context like that creates art which is definitely incorporating Disney's property...